Video 6 - On Tumlinsons Trail : The Peralta Stone Maps

[RG1976]

No - I would have left it as is. I wouldn't glue the pieces / carve the pieces / etc.

If Travis was so worried about thieves he should have sketched a copy on paper and put the orig stones in a safe deposit box.

How anyone would agree with Travis' actions in carving at least "some" of the maps is beyond me. It's a show of disrespect to ones own intelligence.

Nice post, Tina!

 

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[DiggerGal]

No - I would have left it as is. I wouldn't glue the pieces / carve the pieces / etc.

If Travis was so worried about thieves he should have sketched a copy on paper and put the orig stones in a safe deposit box.

How anyone would agree with Travis' actions in carving at least "some" of the maps is beyond me. It's a show of disrespect to ones own intelligence.

Nice post, Tina!

Your point of "Sketching" the map on a piece of paper is a great point! We are talking about someone who has written a manuscript! Place the Paper over the stone, rubbing pencil, crayon, ashes etc. would give you every detail of the stone and much lighter and smarter to carry!

 

[captain1965]

Or make copies on pillowcases.

 

[Azquester]

Pork Rhine bag-o-treasures like a box of cracker jacks!

Ya never know what yer gonna git!

See! Plus if things get bad you can eat them

 

[Hal Croves]

Matthew Roberts, Greg Davis,
Your kind help please.
In your experience and collections, what, in your opinion, is the earliest know date (published openly or in private correspondence) making reference to the stone maps now in the museum? Not sure that I wrote that with any clarity.
Thank you!

 

[releventchair]

Thanks for keeping the legend alive, Wayne! There aren't many that have put so much faith into these rocks like you have!

These rocks matter of course.
Legends can be reborn once temporarily forgotten by the masses. Perpetuated by concept. Difficulty in deciphering or aging or disproving adds to sensationalism temporarily but without further findings the legend starts to fade again.
With change each rebirth, how close an article is to past like articles is not always a clue. But the pattern of introduction and what follows should differ for greater effect?

(Quoting part of a post by Quinda below)
Any similarities?

" Several rune stones have been found in the United States, most notably the Kensington Runestone in Minnesota and the Heavener Stone in Oklahoma. There is considerable debate over their age and validity. The "Kensington Runestone" is a slab of gray stone, measuring 36 inches long, 16 inches wide, and 6 inches thick. It contains runic writing along the face of the stone and along one edge. The stone was found by a Minnesota farmer named Olaf Ohman in November of 1898 while a digging up a poplar tree stump on the southern slope of a 50-foot high knoll. The stone was buried face down about six inches below the surface, with the tree roots wrapped around it. Mr. Ohman and his sons saw the runic letters but did not know what they were.

Unfortunately, the stone was not left in place, so they were unable to demonstrate its obvious age from the growth pattern of the tree. The stone was sent to the University of Minnesota and then to Chicago. It was was studied by runic scholars, who interpreted the inscription to be an account of Norse explorers in the 14th Century. Many authorities who have since examined the stone have claimed it a forgery, but others are equally certain of its authenticity."

 

[Azquester]

Carved Indian Heads were worth there weight in beads back in the old west or a good bottle of whiskey.
Maybe were looking at the grave sites of some prominent Indian Chief named "Man with Stone Face looks for treasure"

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Indian Heads were considered as a land marker between tribes.

 

[Matthew Roberts]

Matthew Roberts, Greg Davis,
Your kind help please.
In your experience and collections, what, in your opinion, is the earliest know date (published openly or in private correspondence) making reference to the stone maps now in the museum? Not sure that I wrote that with any clarity.
Thank you!

Hal Croves,

Is that a trick question ?

Travis Tumlinson in his manuscript gives the 1948 time period as his first involvement with the original Stone Maps.
Clarence O. Mitchell who was the only other owner of the original Stone Maps, and who himself has a copy of Tumlinson's manuscript, gives 1956 as the first involvement.
Many others who were not directly involved gave dates ranging from 1948-1951 as the first involvement.

So it's take your pick.

Now if you are specifically asking about the Stone Maps that are on display in the SMHS Museum, 1965 would be that date.

Matthew

 

[sdcfia]

The "Kensington Runestone" is a slab of gray stone, measuring 36 inches long, 16 inches wide, and 6 inches thick. It contains runic writing along the face of the stone and along one edge. The stone was found by a Minnesota farmer named Olaf Ohman in November of 1898 while a digging up a poplar tree stump on the southern slope of a 50-foot high knoll. The stone was buried face down about six inches below the surface, with the tree roots wrapped around it. Mr. Ohman and his sons saw the runic letters but did not know what they were.

Unfortunately, the stone was not left in place, so they were unable to demonstrate its obvious age from the growth pattern of the tree. The stone was sent to the University of Minnesota and then to Chicago. It was was studied by runic scholars, who interpreted the inscription to be an account of Norse explorers in the 14th Century. Many authorities who have since examined the stone have claimed it a forgery, but others are equally certain of its authenticity."

It's a land claim. Linked to Inspiration Point, further north in MN, and to Newport Tower in RI. Here's some interesting geometry concerning the three corners of the USA and their distances from Inspiration Point. These are the carved rock major leagues.


The Kensington Runestone - Mystery Solved

 

[releventchair]

Same as lay lines?

 

[deducer]

I don't think it is as convoluted as TT "coached" someone to lie. 7 zeros, 6 zeros, whatever zeros, the POINT is; that Travis himself made the carvings. Travis "defaced" something with intent.

Exactly what proof is there that Travis actually carved the zeros, other than the "he said, she said" testimony from Bair, et al?

 

[Azquester]

This carved Indian Head is a Forgery from Ohio. It was a sensation back in 1939 when it was discovered by a highway crew. A gang of kids playing Pirates took a chisel and hammer from home and created quite a stir when found. Maybe Travis was watching this unfold and got the Idea from this mistaken archeological find near an old Indian Village.

 

[DiggerGal]

Exactly what proof is there that Travis actually carved the zeros, other than the "he said, she said" testimony from Bair, et al?

Deducer,

Tangible proof? None. This whole Legend is based off of Circumstantial evidence. It's the preponderance of evidence that tips the scales ever so slightly. It's up to each person to evaluate what is put in front of them along with taking into consideration the evaluation of ones character.
My belief is that of the statements taken that are a matter of record (and published on this forum) are more on the side of true when it comes to Travis carving the "0"'s. It is also my belief because of the statements that I have read that the Horse/Witch Stone has nothing to do with anything but at muse by Travis himself.
These are my belief's and they may differ from yours, and that is OK. Who knows what Ryan and Frank will show us next? I could change my mind, but as of now, this is how I stand.

Tina

 

[Hal Croves]

Hal Croves,

Is that a trick question ?

Travis Tumlinson in his manuscript gives the 1948 time period as his first involvement with the original Stone Maps.
Clarence O. Mitchell who was the only other owner of the original Stone Maps, and who himself has a copy of Tumlinson's manuscript, gives 1956 as the first involvement.
Many others who were not directly involved gave dates ranging from 1948-1951 as the first involvement.

So it's take your pick.

Now if you are specifically asking about the Stone Maps that are on display in the SMHS Museum, 1965 would be that date.

Matthew

I didn't think that I worded that question correctly. I was asking for the earliest actual date of any letter, article, or other written work mentioning the stone maps. Not the various dates mentioned in these lettered and articles. For some reason, I am struggling to word this question properly. So, what is the earliest document we have that references the stone maps?

As always, thank you for the kind help.

 

[Hal Croves]

Exactly what proof is there that Travis actually carved the zeros, other than the "he said, she said" testimony from Bair, et al?

None.
What would it take to convince you that Travis did not carve the zeros?

 

[sgtfda]

Deducer,

Tangible proof? None. This whole Legend is based off of Circumstantial evidence. It's the preponderance of evidence that tips the scales ever so slightly. It's up to each person to evaluate what is put in front of them along with taking into consideration the evaluation of ones character.
My belief is that of the statements taken that are a matter of record (and published on this forum) are more on the side of true when it comes to Travis carving the "0"'s. It is also my belief because of the statements that I have read that the Horse/Witch Stone has nothing to do with anything but at muse by Travis himself.
These are my belief's and they may differ from yours, and that is OK. Who knows what Ryan and Frank will show us next? I could change my mind, but as of now, this is how I stand.

Tina

 

[DiggerGal]

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Frank,

You are the last person that I would hope would NOT remain silent. WE NEED MORE!!!!

 

[RG1976]

Exactly what proof is there that Travis actually carved the zeros, other than the "he said, she said" testimony from Bair, et al?

Outside of the manuscript in its entirety - just "legend". The same legend that has kept this story afloat for so many years.

There is no proof he found the maps on the 60 & queen creek. That is legend.

There is no proof that Travis carved the stone maps, and there is no proof that he found them as he said.

It's ALL - "he said, she said"

Until we start talking about tree sap, that is. Then it just ridiculous.

 

[DiggerGal]

Exactly what proof is there that Travis actually carved the zeros, other than the "he said, she said" testimony from Bair, et al?

The only Tangible proof is buried 6 feet under. He's dead. Travis Tumlinson.

 

[somehiker]

Exactly what proof is there that Travis actually carved the zeros, other than the "he said, she said" testimony from Bair, et al?

Because Bair said so, and had no reason to deceive anyone.
Because the 0's match the ones he carved elsewhere.....well sort of.
Except for the ones that don't.