The Peralta Stone Maps, Real Maps to Lost Gold Mines or Cruel Hoax?

[Not Peralta]

I told you exactly where the mission was and so did Bob Ward in his book. The last time I saw it, it was a hole in the ground. There was plenty of water in the area. Of course, that was a long time ago. There were a lot of pottery shards all around where the mission was. Remember, Bob said it was dug up in the 1930's. NP

 

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[markmar]

somehiker

The " Mission Valley " in the James Bennett map is just north of Picacho Butte ( La Barge Canyon ) and go NE . In the James map the " Mission Valley " is a quarter of distance between Salt River and Gila River at those coordinates .



Have a nice day

Marius

 

[somehiker]

somehiker

The " Mission Valley " in the James Bennett map is just north of Picacho Butte ( La Barge Canyon ) and go NE . In the James map the " Mission Valley " is a quarter of distance between Salt River and Gila River at those coordinates .

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Have a nice day

Marius

Marius:

There's a big difference between a canyon and a valley.
I think a mapmaker would know the difference.
The the dotted line showing the "indian trail", "mission valley" and other placenames is the route followed by the Woolsey Expedition of 1864.
According to the reports, the expedition passed through a wide valley dotted with low hills.
Doesn't sound like LaBarge Canyon to me.

Regards:SH.

 

[markmar]

somehiker

I meant how start from La Barge and go east and little NE , north of Picacho Butte



Marius

 

[somehiker]

Marius:

The Bennet map, like many of the older maps, was not made using modern survey equipment and crews.
They were usually based on a compilation of military campaign maps and various civilian maps drawn from a variety of sources.
Trails and place names were then added, using the descriptions and locations contained within the Army reports and diaries of others who had experience in those areas. Full surveys were impossible because much of the territory was still in a state of war with the Apache and other tribes.
That is why you cannot use modern satellite-based views in direct comparison to the old maps. While some of them are quite useful in many ways, they are just not accurate enough for precise co-ordinates.

Rather than continually posting Google Earth views of what you think you see on Google Earth, and trying to understand the history and features of the Superstitions in that manner, I would suggest you pick up a copy of Jack Carlson's "Hikers Guide to the Superstitions" and with his book and a good camera, go do some hiking out there.

Regards:SH.

 

[Not Peralta]

I didn't think you could post pictures from Google Earth. Aren't all their images copyrighted? NP

 

[markmar]

somehiker

I partially agree with you . The topographers had not modern equipment , but the methods which they used was sufficiently for that time . In the most cases , the simple interpretation is the faster and the righter .
I hope to come soon in Arizona and enjoy the hike in the Superstition M .

Marius

 

[markmar]

Not Peralta

You don't have anything better to write ?

Read my signature .

Marius

 

[Not Peralta]

markmar i asked an honest opinion about something .at least i found someone smart enough to give me there opinion.read my signature np

 

[markmar]

Not Peralta

I meant to read my motto on the bottom of my posts . My motto or " signature " say : " No rules , only exceptions " .
I had the impression that you wanted to report me , but if you wanted only to ask an opinion , I apologise for my bad attitude .

Marius

 

[Not Peralta]

marius just an opinion idont want to report anything thank you np

 

[tjoslin53]

Hello all, I was reading some of the older post and came across SOMEHIKER's cinnabar find. There are a few of these spots out their but not sure I know this one and would love to go see it. Could anyone or SOMEHIKER be kind enough to tell me were it is? Any help would be great.

 

[lgadbois]

Oct 25, 2012, 11:47 PM​

Somehiker posted on another thread:

First new find in five days of searching an area surrounding the "leaning cross" of the Horse Stone.
A small cross, about 5-6", cut into a vertical rock face and barely noticeable.
I wondered about the extra line which seemed to point to the upper right, so I had a look.
About 200' to the right and 100' above, I found a cinnabar mine.

Regards:SH.

 

[Not Peralta]

the stone tablets are to be used in the spirit mountain area,and before you say no they don't ,show more real proof in one area than I have shown,if you cant do that then you need to stop and figure out why your in the superstitions,instead maybe if your trying to figure the tablets out, you need to be in the spirit mountain area.np

 

[markmar]

the stone tablets are to be used in the spirit mountain area,and before you say no they don't ,show more real proof in one area than I have shown,if you cant do that then you need to stop and figure out why your in the superstitions,instead maybe if your trying to figure the tablets out, you need to be in the spirit mountain area.np

You insist much in your theory . The only thing which remains , is to share flyers with this propaganda in Apache Junction .

Marius

 

[Not Peralta]

markmar,I will leave that job for you people,after all you are vested in that area,you will know were to put them all up.np

 

[markmar]

markmar,I will leave that job for you people,after all you are vested in that area,you will know were to put them all up.np

I am not vested . I am in the right area , and I don't touts this three times per day in every thread like you . If you continue in this way , I am thinking seriously to open a grill house at the Laughlin bridge .

 

[Not Peralta]

markmar, I welcome a new grill house,theres not really any grill houses here.np

 

[coazon de oro]

Howdy Oroblanco,

Getting back to your topic here, whether the stones are real or not. The PSM's capture the attention of just about everyone interested in treasure. Everyone comes up with their own ideas as to what the etchings mean, and who may have made them. Some have made copies such as the late Jim Hatt, and others have made their own stones trying to show how the originals could have been made. You may recall the "Spencer Stone". While there may be others, this shows how the PSM's captivate some of us, and in my opinion this is how Travis Tumlinson's "Treasure Chest Stone" came to be.

Instead of doing all the research for you, I will share a small observation that while it may not swing you around, it may help others in reaching their own conclusions.

In my opinion, the Treasure Chest Stone, was made after the PSM's were uncovered. Garry Cundiff's comparison proves that the TCS was copied by Travis just as the Stone Crosses symbols were copied by Michael Bilbery. In my opinion the Stone Crosses, and the TCS have the same tell tale sign that has been overlooked.

You would have to be fluent in Spanish to really understand this. There are a lot of Anglo Americans who believe they know pretty good Spanish, and they can be understood despite the mistakes that they are not aware of. Most of these mistakes are made in regards to gender in the Spanish language. A Mexican idiot does not make this mistake because he is fluent in his own tongue.

The PSM's despite the bad spelling, have the gender right. Even "EL MAPA" which is an exception to the rule, is right. The Stone Crosses, and the TCS show to be "Gringo" made because of their mistakes in gender. This alone shows that the PSM's were made by a Mexican, and not by Travis.

Homar P. Olivarez

 

[Oroblanco]

Thank you Homar for explaining. I am no expert in Spanish and certainly not a fluent Spanish speaker, very much a beginner. The whole gender issue in the language is a stumbling block for me.
Oroblanco