The Peralta Stone Maps, Real Maps to Lost Gold Mines or Cruel Hoax?

[roadrunner]

I am still new at the LD.I have not even bought a book yet.
Still reading posts and deciding whether it has been found.
I believe I asked once. Will buy one to read on what others have recommended. But if it is in the protected borders, there is no use to search for it anymore.
I have been looking at peoples pictures for as long as I have been posting and reading this thread.

Not much for me to say compared to you guys that have been in the sups and had boots on the ground.
You guys have been all over, and have specimens, gold,silver ect to prove it.
I live over here by queen valley, superior area.
Been to canyon lake,horseshoe,bartllet res,all over. Not looking for the LDM though.
Mostly fishing, hiking,ect.

 

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[cactusjumper]

I am still new at the LD.I have not even bought a book yet.
Still reading posts and deciding whether it has been found.
I believe I asked once. Will buy one to read on what others have recommended. But if it is in the protected borders, there is no use to search for it anymore.
I have been looking at peoples pictures for as long as I have been posting and reading this thread.

Not much for me to say compared to you guys that have been in the sups and had boots on the ground.
You guys have been all over, and have specimens, gold,silver ect to prove it.
I live over here by queen valley, superior area.
Been to canyon lake,horseshoe,bartllet res,all over. Not looking for the LDM though.
Mostly fishing, hiking,ect.

Roadrunner,

Many "Dutch Hunters" are primarily interested in the history of the Superstitions, the legends and finding some truth in it all.

So much of that history has been completely made up, and it's still being produced today.

Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Not Peralta]

Dear roadrunner,
I didn't realize you were from this chat site when I denied your "friend" request on facebook. If you ask again, I will accept.
My plans are to add more information about the area I have been researching. As well as some contraversial facts about the Dutchman.
Research, research, research.
NP
BTW, new picture on FB of Mission off Peralta Road

 

[Not Peralta]

To Dutchman Hunters:
QUIZ: The man that called himself Jacob Waltz, The "Dutchman", What did he have in common with Huntington, Hopkins and Stanford?
CLUE: Huntington, Hopkins and Stanford were businessmen in California.
Research, research, research.
NP

 

[roadrunner]

Thanks Joe, I to like history of where i live.And NP I will resend the friend request through FB.
I was looking for a place to put a remark when i sent it so you would know who I was, but it didn't show up when it was sent.
Just replied to your pm also Joe.

@ NP. Where did the mission sit at or where was it located?
Do you mean the peralta road going to the trailhead off of Hwy 60?
Where did you get the pic?
Just came from FB and sent another request.
Matt Rowe this time. Still no place to add a remark or so to let people know who was contacting them.
I wonder if it is on any of my maps.
If you do not want to see any new posts or timeline from me,just deny the request,forgot about that crap from FB.

 

[Not Peralta]

The Mission: Go to the gate that led to Bob Ward's cabin off of Peralta Road. There used to be a gate there, before you got to his cabin. Where the gate used to be turn around and walk 100 feet up a little hill, you'll see a hole and some adobe bricks. If you walk even farther from where the mission was you'll see a lot of pottery shards from the indians that were around the mission. It's on the road to Peralta Trail Head. Bob Ward's cabin used to be on the right hand side about a half a mile off Peralta Road. You should be able to ask anybody from the area where his cabin was. The Mission itself has been gone for years but you should still be able to see where it was.

 

[Not Peralta]

The Mission: Go towards Peralta Trail Head, there's a road that turns off to the right that goes to where Bob Ward's cabin used to be. Go to the gate before you get to where the cabin used to be. Turn around, walk back up the hill about 100 feet. On the right hand side you'll see old adobe brick and holes where people have dug. If you walk farther, you should find pottery shares from the indians who lived around the mission. I've never seen it on any map, not even at U of A. I got the picture from an OLD-Timer. Hope this helps. If you can't find it, see if someone in the area can't tell you where Bob's cabin used to be.

 

[roadrunner]

Thank you. I will have to take a look out there and see what I can see.
Never even heard of the cabin until now.
Is the Peralta Trail head start at the parking lot at the end of E Peralta Rd?

 

[Not Peralta]

It's been 23 years since I was there. Parking Lot? For all I know it's all been covered with a golf course. There were only 300 permanent resident's when I lived there. There was no Gold Canyon Resort, etc. Wish I could help you more. Are there any old-timer's in the local "watering hole" that you can ask about Bob Ward's cabin? Try thre museum. Bob's daughter used to work as a dispatcher at the sherrif's department. Let me know. Like I said, it's been a long time since I've been there. Good luck, NP

 

[roadrunner]

Ok,thanks. I will ask around or wait until the next rendezvous.

 

[cactusjumper]

RR,

If you're interested in Bob Ward, you might want to purchase his book. "True Story Of Superstition Mountains : Ripples Of Lost Echos".True Story Of Superstition Mountains : Ripples Of Lost Echos.

You can find copies here: Bob Ward - ripples - > 10.00 - AbeBooks

Good Luck,

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Not Peralta]

Regarding Bob Ward's Book:
Look at Chapter 3, Page 59. "Upon a hill east of the old Burn's ranch is the remains of an old mission. I had seen pictures of it from Bob Gorman when he and a few others were digging it up back in the thirties thinking there may be a treasure or two. Nothing was ever found. On the old maps made, the ruins are labeled just that, 'old ruins'." The directions that I gave last night were as precise as I could be. The Burn's Ranch property was right next to the cattle lease that Bob lived on in the cabin. NP

 

[peralta]

Regarding Bob Ward's Book:
Look at Chapter 3, Page 59. "Upon a hill east of the old Burn's ranch is the remains of an old mission. I had seen pictures of it from Bob Gorman when he and a few others were digging it up back in the thirties thinking there may be a treasure or two. Nothing was ever found. On the old maps made, the ruins are labeled just that, 'old ruins'." The directions that I gave last night were as precise as I could be. The Burn's Ranch property was right next to the cattle lease that Bob lived on in the cabin. NP

Hello not peralta, what main city of is near your treasure hunting sites?
Take care
Tom

 

[roadrunner]

RR,

If you're interested in Bob Ward, you might want to purchase his book. "True Story Of Superstition Mountains : Ripples Of Lost Echos".True Story Of Superstition Mountains : Ripples Of Lost Echos.

You can find copies here: Bob Ward - ripples - > 10.00 - AbeBooks

Good Luck,

Joe Ribaudo

I will see if there are any reviews of the book before i buy.
I will basically go by what others say before i purchase.
I really do not want a library of a bunch of books written with fiction, or just human guesses.
I appreciate your links and insight though.
I always pay attention to posts of certain members here.

 

[cactusjumper]

I will see if there are any reviews of the book before i buy.
I will basically go by what others say before i purchase.
I really do not want a library of a bunch of books written with fiction, or just human guesses.
I appreciate your links and insight though.
I always pay attention to posts of certain members here.

RR,

Actually, it's not a book I would recommend, except to someone who is interested in Bob Ward and may not know his history. Let's just say, for me, it was insightful.

Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo

 

[roadrunner]

Ok,thanks joe.
Found some for $2.50. I will buy one at that price just to read.
Had 1 review to look at.

 

[somehiker]

Sorry NP, but I can't help thinking that "OLD Timer" was pullin your leg when he gave you that photo.
With all of the military,prospecting and ranching history within the immediate area, don't you think such a structure would have been known to more than "a few".
Especially such a large building, perched on a hilltop where it would have been seen from some distance . That, despite being what many would probably use for a landmark near routes used by all those entering or leaving the sups to the south, a mission still standing in a colour photograph would not have been known and mentioned by many, rather than just a few ?
I do wonder though, why on one old map, which I posted on DUSA some time ago, it did show the place name "Mission Valley" in the area of what we now know as "Queen Valley". But it doesn't show where this mission was.
From a map by James Bennett,dated 1867....

View attachment Mission Valley.bmp

Regards:SH.

PS: although Ward didn't publish any photos of the "mission", at the bottom of page 59 he did include a photo of a stone with a map of sorts on it, which he found at the ruin.

 

[cactusjumper]

Sorry NP, but I can't help thinking that "OLD Timer" was pullin your leg when he gave you that photo.
With all of the military,prospecting and ranching history within the immediate area, don't you think such a structure would have been known to more than "a few".
Especially such a large building, perched on a hilltop where it would have been seen from some distance . That, despite being what many would probably use for a landmark near routes used by all those entering or leaving the sups to the south, a mission still standing in a colour photograph would not have been known and mentioned by many, rather than just a few ?
I do wonder though, why on one old map, which I posted on DUSA some time ago, it did show the place name "Mission Valley" in the area of what we now know as "Queen Valley". But it doesn't show where this mission was.

Regards:SH.

PS: although Ward didn't publish any photos of the "mission", at the bottom of page 59 he did include a photo of a stone with a map of sorts on it, which he found at the ruin.

Wayne,

I would love to see a picture of a mission at the "base of the Superstitions". Most missions were built in places with good running water and a sizable native population in close proximity. Don't believe either of those things could have been found close to the Burns' Ranch.

Igadbois wrote:

"During the period of the Jesuits (ending in 1767) there were no missions or visitas north of the Gila river. During Padre Kino's time, he made 13 trips into the land called Primera Alta, with his final journey in 1702. He established visitas between the missions, where possible, about one day apart. The locations were selected and named, and they extended west from the Salt River junction with the Gila all the way to the Colorado River.

After the Franciscans began their ministry in the same area, they were unable to maintain the visitas west along the South side of the Gila with few exceptions. There may have been a Franciscan chapel or visita at the base of the Superstition mountains, but there is no record of a mission in the area with a resident priest."
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That's the history as I understand it.

Take care,

Joe

 

[somehiker]

Joe:
"Wayne,

I would love to see a picture of a mission at the "base of the Superstitions". Most missions were built in places with good running water and a sizable native population in close proximity. Don't believe either of those things could have been found close to the Burns' Ranch."

That's pretty much what I was saying.
Here is the photo that NP posted on his FB page, which I gather you haven't seen.
Hope he doesn't mind.

Regards:Wayne

View attachment mission.bmp

 

[roadrunner]

Queen Creek was running all or most of the time from Pinal city to the now Queen Valley as i recall.
Could be wrong. Is this about the general area that we are talking about?
Back in time.