The Peralta Stone Maps, Real Maps to Lost Gold Mines or Cruel Hoax?

[Cubfan64]

after reading the last few replys .. i feel my time is better spend where people use their brains ...

Yeah, you oughta try that.

"ignore" has been working remarkably well until you guys start quoting him :P If only we had a $ for every time he's threatened to leave TNet, we might even be able to put a dent in the national debt (hehe).

Anyone else ever see the movie "What About Bob?"

Dr. Leo Marvin: "You think he's gone? He's not gone. That's the whole point! He's never gone!"
[Leo opens the door; there's Bob]
Bob Wiley: Is this some radical new therapy?
Dr. Leo Marvin: YOU SEE?

 

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[Blindbowman]

this is nothing new the same old bs ,, get a life .. look at the topic ,, now read back the last 10 replys .. if you think this is a waste of time you need therpy...

get real the na sayers and beleivers of what .. a legend nether of you under stand or you would not be trying pick apart everything that hits the page ...

you may not like what i said but its the truth and you know it .. if dont then read the last 10 replys to this post .. the topic has almost nothing to do with most of the replys ..

you have open up the topics to try to find anything at this point and theres no focus to the topic ..

ya you dont agree with me so what .. thats nothing new .. i refused to post my findings and the next thing i no i am one everyone's hit list .. you dont know what a hit list is .. get real ...

i dont even have wonder who will be the first to make a person attact any more its like the same old bs every time ..

if you really dont like what i said , then putting me on ignore is not going to do a thing about it .. think about why i said and under stand the debate behind the words ....

you guys would stap your own mother for a gold tooth ...

even worse if you thought it would sell a book ..

just like i said read the last 10 replies it dose not take a genius to under stand whats going on around here ....lol

 

[Springfield]

Look at your topo map concerning the Bear Creek area and you will notice the thin section of private land that runs north to south is located right in the middle of the National Forestry lands. Over 1,400 acres and the Forestry Service has not yet had any luck trying to raise the funds to buy the property from my good friend Tom. They have already run out of time on the previous two contracts and Tom doubts that the transaction will never come true. He purchased the property for approx. 1.2 million USD a number of years ago. Hopefully i will have the deed to 20- 40 acres I have selected within a year. That is unless the FS has somehow found enough money to buy the place. Tom has still not decided to sell it at this time and that could change.

You mentioned a location to the east; any hint to where?

Ellie B

Well, I hope I'm wrong about the land sale for your sake. The surveyors were there last week working on pinning the boundary so that they could prepare the legals. Of course, the deal isn't done until the check clears. It's awesome terrain with a fantastic history, as you know. 20 acres down there would be sweet.

Hint? Well, the road from Todos Santos follows Bear Creek to the PA placers, but it continues to Twin Sisters. Many say the road ends there. Some say it only begins there.

 

[Ellie Baba]

Hey BB,

My son Ryan is now 32 years of age, he was and still is a brilliant artist. He loved to go with me into the desert and I was taking photographs constantly. Ryan had a great memory and would draw and paint the landscapes of the AOP down to a "tee". One evening sometime around 1994 or 95 he was working on a drawing of the hearts. He asked me to find him a photo similar to what he was drawing. I gave him a very detailed close up shot and he explained (as he traced the fine points) that he had recognized a symbol that looked like a couple of humps and peaks and that he had seen it somewhere else. I asked him to show me what this symbol looked like and as soon as I saw the symbol I knew exactly where we had seen it.

It was due to Ryans' attention to detail that we figured out that the stone maps fit in the area we had been working since 1984. Ryan is just one of over 50 to a hundred people that at one time or another throughout the years has helped me gain the knowledge that I have today. I would be nowhere today if not for all of their valuable assistance.

You, BB, may think it is all boring and has absolutely no connection in your thought process because you have figured out a code. You in your mind are even now coming up with excuses, excuses lead to failure and even now you are starting to back-peddle (saying things like; I can't share with you, only a knife pointing north, I am always the brunt of a joke, no one believes what I say, etc) You are acting like a little whining child and I will bet you $100.00 dollars that you will not even show up for Rendezvous.

It does not take a genius to recognize your psychological pattern as we get closer and closer to Rendezvous. Put up or shut up! If you cannot lay your cards on the table here with fellow “T hunters” how do you intend to do it when you are standing in front of most of the group and the folks living in the area that do not even know your name!

So, best to be showing us your aces and eights right now instead of later, or everyone will truly recognize a real horse's butt. I am wasting my breath because you are going to fold, for your hand is full of cards which will not amount to one pair. As Kenny Rogers once sang in a song; "You got to know when to hold up, know when to fold up, know when to walk away, know when to run." What are you going to do Mr. Blind Bowman? Are you man enough to lay your cards down on the table or are you going to run?

You need to step up to the mirror, take a hard look at yourself and set your life path ASAP. I believe you have it set on auto pilot. I am saying all of this for your own good BB. No matter what you are up against there are many of us here that really want the best for you. I have found that working together gets the job done right.

Without my friends I would not even be here.

Sincerely my friend,

Ellie Baba

 

[Ellie Baba]

Look at your topo map concerning the Bear Creek area and you will notice the thin section of private land that runs north to south is located right in the middle of the National Forestry lands. Over 1,400 acres and the Forestry Service has not yet had any luck trying to raise the funds to buy the property from my good friend Tom. They have already run out of time on the previous two contracts and Tom doubts that the transaction will never come true. He purchased the property for approx. 1.2 million USD a number of years ago. Hopefully i will have the deed to 20- 40 acres I have selected within a year. That is unless the FS has somehow found enough money to buy the place. Tom has still not decided to sell it at this time and that could change.

You mentioned a location to the east; any hint to where?

Ellie B

Well, I hope I'm wrong about the land sale for your sake. The surveyors were there last week working on pinning the boundary so that they could prepare the legals. Of course, the deal isn't done until the check clears. It's awesome terrain with a fantastic history, as you know. 20 acres down there would be sweet.

Hint? Well, the road from Todos Santos follows Bear Creek to the PA placers, but it continues to Twin Sisters. Many say the road ends there. Some say it only begins there.

Interesting my friend, sounds like another Aop; alpha omega property. I have read some info relating to certain legends, legends disclosed by Frank J. Dobie and a few others in the know.

Thanks Springfield,

EB

 

[Blindbowman]

Hey BB,

My son Ryan is now 32 years of age, he was and still is a brilliant artist. He loved to go with me into the desert and I was taking photographs constantly. Ryan had a great memory and would draw and paint the landscapes of the AOP down to a "tee". One evening sometime around 1994 or 95 he was working on a drawing of the hearts. He asked me to find him a photo similar to what he was drawing. I gave him a very detailed close up shot and he explained (as he traced the fine points) that he had recognized a symbol that looked like a couple of humps and peaks and that he had seen it somewhere else. I asked him to show me what this symbol looked like and as soon as I saw the symbol I knew exactly where we had seen it.

It was due to Ryans' attention to detail that we figured out that the stone maps fit in the area we had been working since 1984. Ryan is just one of over 50 to a hundred people that at one time or another throughout the years has helped me gain the knowledge that I have today. I would be nowhere today if not for all of their valuable assistance.

You, BB, may think it is all boring and has absolutely no connection in your thought process because you have figured out a code. You in your mind are even now coming up with excuses, excuses lead to failure and even now you are starting to back-peddle (saying things like; I can't share with you, only a knife pointing north, I am always the brunt of a joke, no one believes what I say, etc) You are acting like a little whining child and I will bet you $100.00 dollars that you will not even show up for Rendezvous.

It does not take a genius to recognize your psychological pattern as we get closer and closer to Rendezvous. Put up or shut up! If you cannot lay your cards on the table here with fellow “T hunters” how do you intend to do it when you are standing in front of most of the group and the folks living in the area that do not even know your name!

So, best to be showing us your aces and eights right now instead of later, or everyone will truly recognize a real horse's butt. I am wasting my breath because you are going to fold, for your hand is full of cards which will not amount to one pair. As Kenny Rogers once sang in a song; "You got to know when to hold up, know when to fold up, know when to walk away, know when to run." What are you going to do Mr. Blind Bowman? Are you man enough to lay your cards down on the table or are you going to run?

You need to step up to the mirror, take a hard look at yourself and set your life path ASAP. I believe you have it set on auto pilot. I am saying all of this for your own good BB. No matter what you are up against there are many of us here that really want the best for you. I have found that working together gets the job done right.

Without my friends I would not even be here.

Sincerely my friend,

Ellie Baba

what ever ..

 

[Oroblanco]

Ellie B wrote, in reply to Blindbowman;

You, BB, may think it is all boring and has absolutely no connection in your thought process because you have figured out a code. You in your mind are even now coming up with excuses, excuses lead to failure and even now you are starting to back-peddle (saying things like; I can't share with you, only a knife pointing north, I am always the brunt of a joke, no one believes what I say, etc) You are acting like a little whining child and I will bet you $100.00 dollars that you will not even show up for Rendezvous.

It does not take a genius to recognize your psychological pattern as we get closer and closer to Rendezvous. Put up or shut up! If you cannot lay your cards on the table here with fellow “T hunters” how do you intend to do it when you are standing in front of most of the group and the folks living in the area that do not even know your name!

So, best to be showing us your aces and eights right now instead of later, or everyone will truly recognize a real horse's butt. I am wasting my breath because you are going to fold, for your hand is full of cards which will not amount to one pair. As Kenny Rogers once sang in a song; "You got to know when to hold up, know when to fold up, know when to walk away, know when to run." What are you going to do Mr. Blind Bowman? Are you man enough to lay your cards down on the table or are you going to run?

You need to step up to the mirror, take a hard look at yourself and set your life path ASAP. I believe you have it set on auto pilot. I am saying all of this for your own good BB. No matter what you are up against there are many of us here that really want the best for you. I have found that working together gets the job done right.

Without my friends I would not even be here.

Gee EB, the way you describe the Dutch Hunters Rendezvous, it sounds like it is a meeting for local people <only> to measure "swords". I suppose that one can not be considered a Dutch-hunter, unless he or she lives in Apache Junction or Queen creek? You demand that Blindbowman lay all his cards on the <virtual> table here, would you be willing to do the same? The only way a person would be willing to do that, is if he does not have that last card and is fishing for it. I do not have all the answers by a long shot, and I certainly would not lay all my cards on any public table.

I have not attended any of the rendezvous, but planning to make it this year; it seems the more I hear of it, the more I think it may be a one-time visit. I had hoped to meet some of our online friends, and to hear some of the stories and experiences from the "real" Dutch-hunters, you know, people like Bob Corbin, Tom Kollenborn or Clay Wurst.

If living close to the Superstitions were such a great advantage, the Lost Dutchman mine would not remain lost very long.

Good luck and good hunting to you all, I hope you find the treasures that you seek, and I look forward to meeting some of you.
Oroblanco

 

[Blindbowman]

well said .. i think the only person i would want to talk to is Clay Wurst...out of the old timers ..

 

[Twisted Fork]

Got Nuggets? I know the Peraltas salted those trails so as the get the reactions that live on to this day. A nugget here, a nugget there keeps em' busy everywhere accept the mine. Every site I have walked over in study, proves that the marker stones on the way to the mine, each contribute to a chain of stones in which one gets to know what is ahead even before completing the journey; clues shaped as edible animals in route and upon arriving in their habitat, one realizes scale reference along the trail. Now the scale distance diminishes, step by step. Animals that are a danger and the presence of a particular kind of native or the lack of. An Indian mine or otherwise; and just how armed one should be before going further. The stones get closer together as you approach the mine, but the last run lacks any sign, still collective shapes have clued you in and come together as you walk into the vicinity. They send you right past the mine for a span and then stones appear again that either fool you to continue on or to turn back and look just where you were. The right angle or 7 from the Masons, is the key; thresh hold to thresh hold. Real hoaxes for some folkeses.

 

[cactusjumper]

Roy,

I believe you are reading a bit more into Ellie's post than what is warranted.

Folks come to the Rendezvous from all over the country. It's only natural that the locals make up the bulk of those attending. Many of them have been looking for the LDM and exploring those mountains for decades. You will find a great number of them have moved from other states, just to live near the legends.

The atmosphere is relaxed and friendly, even though there are some folks who really don't like each other much. I can't tell you how many fellows who have traded insults with me on the forums, have shown up and found me willing to shake their hands and leave our animosity outside the camp.

My one rule from the first Rendezvous was.......Leave your wars at the gate. You can pick them back up when you leave. That has worked for all of us.

Carolyn and I try to create a warm and friendly place for as many people as possible to sit in the shade and just talk. The conversations have always been wide ranging. LDM, Stone Maps, Adolph Ruth, the Apache Indians and their culture, Jesuit treasure, Harry LaFrance's cave of gold bars.........and the list goes on.

You will find some plain spoken cowboys/prospectors, history buffs.....such as yourself and well schooled intellectuals. All have a love of the outdoors, treasure/lost mine hunting the history of the Southwest, and especially the Superstition Mountains.

In the past, Rendezvous' have always been a place where the Mountain Man, and the Native American's (many tribes) would all come together and co-exist in one small area. The day before they could be killing each other, and return to that endeavor the day after, but they called off their wars during the event.

In that spirit, I will offer my hand and our hospitality to all who attend. We agreed from the start that trouble makers would be asked to leave or removed from the camp. It's never happened. More and more wives and children are showing up. The stories that are told around the Big Ramada campfire will stay with those kids forever.

I look forward to meeting you and Beth. If Don Jose shows up, he will be welcome as well. However, his mule will have to stay outside the Big Ramada. There is plenty of room for camping, so you don't have to listen to your neighbor snoring.

Take care,

Joe

 

[Oroblanco]

Roy,

I believe you are reading a bit more into Ellie's post than what is warranted.

Folks come to the Rendezvous from all over the country. It's only natural that the locals make up the bulk of those attending. Many of them have been looking for the LDM and exploring those mountains for decades. You will find a great number of them have moved from other states, just to live near the legends.

The atmosphere is relaxed and friendly, even though there are some folks who really don't like each other much. I can't tell you how many fellows who have traded insults with me on the forums, have shown up and found me willing to shake their hands and leave our animosity outside the camp.

My one rule from the first Rendezvous was.......Leave your wars at the gate. You can pick them back up when you leave. That has worked for all of us.

Carolyn and I try to create a warm and friendly place for as many people as possible to sit in the shade and just talk. The conversations have always been wide ranging. LDM, Stone Maps, Adolph Ruth, the Apache Indians and their culture, Jesuit treasure, Harry LaFrance's cave of gold bars.........and the list goes on.

You will find some plain spoken cowboys/prospectors, history buffs.....such as yourself and well schooled intellectuals. All have a love of the outdoors, treasure/lost mine hunting the history of the Southwest, and especially the Superstition Mountains.

In the past, Rendezvous' have always been a place where the Mountain Man, and the Native American's (many tribes) would all come together and co-exist in one small area. The day before they could be killing each other, and return to that endeavor the day after, but they called off their wars during the event.

In that spirit, I will offer my hand and our hospitality to all who attend. We agreed from the start that trouble makers would be asked to leave or removed from the camp. It's never happened. More and more wives and children are showing up. The stories that are told around the Big Ramada campfire will stay with those kids forever.

I look forward to meeting you and Beth. If Don Jose shows up, he will be welcome as well. However, his mule will have to stay outside the Big Ramada. There is plenty of room for camping, so you don't have to listen to your neighbor snoring.

Take care,

Joe

Hola amigo Joe,
Perhaps i was reading too much into it, but it didn't sound like a gathering of friends so much as some kind of pissing contest. I would hope that is not the case. As for camping, so long as there is not a railroad yard directly adjacent, I am sure that it will be quieter than here. One thing, Don Jose's mule not welcome in camp - I am a bit surprised that no Asses are allowed, sheesh I may get bounced out yet!

We are looking forward to meeting you too.
Roy ~ Oroblanco

 

[Ellie Baba]

Oroblanco,

You sound like my ex-wife. I try to explain something to her and she took it the wrong way. Sorry if you felt a different vibe as it was not my intention. I will admit that I do piss outdoors, away from camp of course. I was trying to help BB get his crud together cause I would like to meet him and spend some time yakking with him. He will really enjoy Rendezvous if he would just give it a shot. I would like him to use those of us who are truly interested in understanding his version of solving the maps as though he were presenting a thesis.

Whatever... is just not acceptable BB. Lets get to work and put your theories/truths together. If you believe in yourself then some of us will believe right along with you. Give us a chance to help you to reach your goals BB.

Later All,

EB

 

[Oroblanco]

Oroblanco,

You sound like my ex-wife. I try to explain something to her and she took it the wrong way. Sorry if you felt a different vibe as it was not my intention. I will admit that I do piss outdoors, away from camp of course. I was trying to help BB get his crud together cause I would like to meet him and spend some time yakking with him. He will really enjoy Rendezvous if he would just give it a shot. I would like him to use those of us who are truly interested in understanding his version of solving the maps as though he were presenting a thesis.

Whatever... is just not acceptable BB. Lets get to work and put your theories/truths together. If you believe in yourself then some of us will believe right along with you. Give us a chance to help you to reach your goals BB.

Later All,

EB

Gosh, if I sound so much like your EX-wife, that means that we are probably incompatible for any future nuptials. I hope you are not too disappointed about that, but I am probably not your type anyway. As for our amigo Blindbowman, I don't think it will work to try to 'call his bluff'; we have been yakking here with him since 2006 and it has not worked yet. Sometimes it is like pulling teeth to get him (and some others of us here) to go ahead and tell us what it is that he (or she) is really wanting to tell us. You have quite an interesting theory yourself, can't say that I am convinced that it is 100% correct, but hope you will expound further. I am in agreement with your statement to BB too, that is what I have been trying to tell him for a while now, - you are among friends here, people with the same interests and some of us really would like to help. We are at the least, willing to hear you out.

I also understand that the LDM Dutch-hunters community is very much divided into "camps" and they are pretty much invitation-only, which is okay with me, like so many treasure hunters I don't much care to be a follower anyway. My own list of 'heroes' has only a couple of living examples. As Solon said, call no man fortunate while he is still alive; over time we are so often disappointed by the people we admire the most when they turn out to be all-too-human. Pretty much the same reasoning why we don't have living persons ever depicted on our coins or currency. Hence I am really hesitant to start hero-worshipping any Dutch-hunter, at least those still living.

To try to tie this back to the subject, several persons have stated that they don't believe the Latin heart should be considered a part of the "set"; I wonder about why the rest are all considered a "set" when really only two are clearly to be linked together, but my question is this:

Why would you not include the Latin heart stone as a part of the Peralta stones? The question is to anyone who cares to reply, and thank you in advance,
Oroblanco

 

[Blindbowman]

no where in the code dose the Latin are come up .. its just is not there ...it is not part of the set and was not made at the same time as the set or it would be coded into the set ..its not !

 

[Springfield]

.... I was trying to help BB get his crud together cause I would like to meet him and spend some time yakking with him. He will really enjoy Rendezvous if he would just give it a shot. ....

He won't attend.

 

[Blindbowman]

.... I was trying to help BB get his crud together cause I would like to meet him and spend some time yakking with him. He will really enjoy Rendezvous if he would just give it a shot. ....

He won't attend.

if people threatend you would you go ..

 

[Blindbowman]

CJ your wife's name is Carolyn ,, thats what jesse's spirit said to me when i ask him why he was there . he said Carilion . i did not put the two together till i just saw you post her name .. did you and your wife meet jesse ...? ask her ....

 

[Javaone]

Why would you not include the Latin heart stone as a part of the Peralta stones? The question is to anyone who cares to reply, and thank you in advance,
Oroblanco

The Latin Heart comes into play after the map has been solved/the heart pinpointed. In my opinion.

Jerry

 

[Ellie Baba]

.... I was trying to help BB get his crud together cause I would like to meet him and spend some time yakking with him. He will really enjoy Rendezvous if he would just give it a shot. ....

He won't attend.

if people threatend you would you go ..

Any friend of mine will be your friend also and we take care of our own, you included.

Ellie B

 

[Blindbowman]

Why would you not include the Latin heart stone as a part of the Peralta stones? The question is to anyone who cares to reply, and thank you in advance,
Oroblanco

The Latin Heart comes into play after the map has been solved/the heart pinpointed. In my opinion.

Jerry

IMHO the Latin heart is a translator made after the fact if it is real , had nothing to do with the set .. i have looked at it ,, but as i said i was studing the set .....