The Peralta Stone Maps, Real Maps to Lost Gold Mines or Cruel Hoax?

[Blindbowman]

now that was funny ...lol

 

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[Oroblanco]

Roy,

"Shadder writing amigo? On the Peralta stones? Heresy!"

Here's a novel thought......Why not just read the maps as they are? No shadows, no tiny marks that can't be seen with the human eye, no removing the heart and spining it, no putting sticks in the holes and see where the shadows fall on march 31......just read 'em as they were drawn.

While we're at it, let's leave out the secret King's code which no one knows.....except a fellow who's been dead awhile.

Now I don't say there is no code built into the Stone Maps, but I will bring a topo' and let you draw the trail map while we are setting around at the Rendezvous. It doesn't really take very long.

Course, I could be all wrong.

Take care,

Joe

What!? You mean, to take the maps just as they are, without any kind of hidden codes, secret encypherments, or astronomical/astrological alignments? More heresy! It can't be that simple, or so the saying goes, or someone would have already found the treasures, and removed them. We probably wouldn't even hear about it when they did it fifty years ago or much longer. Of course that would mean that the Peralta Stones are today exactly what the State of Arizona classified them as years ago too - "curiosities".

Blindbowman wrote

who cares ...

Our friends here love the game, so the answer is obvious even to someone so blind to the Peralta stones as I am. For example, as our mutual amigo Ellie B just posted;

You all are finally catching on! Now everyone is getting out their flashlights, got "Stones"?

Buy a fresh set of stone maps today folks, only $200.00 per copy and today only to the first 100 callers you will receive an official " Genuine Stone Map" with a frameable Certificate verifying that your stone maps are 100% the real thing! We do not sell fakes and I promise you a full refund if after 365 days you are not still pleased with your genuine stone maps 100%! Place your order today and you will receive your very own authentic set of the Stone Maps within 8 to 12 weeks.

I got some ocean front property in Arizona for sale too!

Later, you funny people!

I hope you are all enjoying the little game, sorry if some of us don't have time to participate on the level preferred.
Oroblanco

 

[Ellie Baba]

who cares ...

Say it isn't so!

I do BB and I know you care more than you are letting on! I bet you just can't wait to get out here and share you dream as you live out your adventure, sharing your victory, and oh how we will celebrate my friend, the drinks will flow like water from a spring. I will cry out in a powerful voice, "Here's one to the burro man!" Isn't your blood just a pumpin' BB? Give it all you got BB, 100% belief in yourself my friend, you know you can do it! So pull yourself together and make yourself get with the task and WIN!

I am here to support you BB, are we all not brothers in kindred spirit?

Ellie Baba

 

[Ellie Baba]

..... There is no question in my mind whatsoever that the Stone Maps are in fact 100% true treasure maps.

How much more proof other than what I have already shared does one need? .....Ellie B

Unfortunately, you seem to be at a similar place that BB (not the bb from this forum, but 'your' BB) continues to find himself in OK. While I understand the evidence you've worked years to piece together and provide some of here, and have seen similar extraordinary examples elsewhere, I also note that the conclusions you've drawn cannot yet be verified - only inferred. It seems that the trail of genius is like tracking the will-o'-the-wisp.

I'm also not a little reluctant about another path that BB seems to has taken, and you too seem to be following - one that I believe may turn out to be a fundamental error. Maybe we can have some fun discussions when you retire to PA. For your spare time, I'll start you out on another mystery possibly visible from your cabin. Just what you'll need ... ha ha.

Are you saying you know the secrets of the Lost Adams Matey? AARRGGGHHHH! Just so happens the property is located along Bear Creek, some very beautiful country not to far from the zigzag canyon. AArrggghh, looks like good times ahead. Found a couple of nice placers there and there be gold nuggets for us to discover in our Mexican gold pans.
Dreamin'of the future,

Ellie Baba

P.S. We all make errors, we learn from mistakes. I try to learn all I can from the experienced ones that been there before me and done it.

 

[Ellie Baba]

Evening ELLIE, switch the light to the right side and we have an "8" hmmmm?

Don Jose de La Mancha

Why did I think that you would say that? You finally got a B-8.

Ellie Bgood

 

[Blindbowman]

i think it is a v-8 .....lol

 

[Ellie Baba]

Oroblanco me compadre,

Mas trabajo manana mi amigo. If you laugh and lighten up a little you know you will live a little longer! When I find myself not having fun doing what I love to do that's the day I hang it all up. You are Hispanic are you not? You guys have a great sense of humor, I hang out with Hispanic friends and we are constantly crackin'a gut. A cowboy and his horse pull up to the bar. The bartender asks the horse, "Why the long face?"
I know you can tell a better one, but keep it clean because Beth told me the kids love to read the forums. Put a smile on your face my friend and count your blessings. Cause if you are alive and with the ones you love you are a lucky man Mr. Oroblanco. You are indeed a lucky man.

See you down the road my friend...and lookin' forward to it.

Ellie Baba

 

[Oroblanco]

Oroblanco me compadre,

Mas trabajo manana mi amigo. If you laugh and lighten up a little you know you will live a little longer! When I find myself not having fun doing what I love to do that's the day I hang it all up.

Well I won't bore you with a long life-story, just say that sometimes keeping one's word with a friend can take a very long time and be far more work than ever dreamed. All good things come to an end, as do all bad things, fortunately.

<you also wrote>

You are Hispanic are you not? You guys have a great sense of humor, I hang out with Hispanic friends and we are constantly crackin'a gut. A cowboy and his horse pull up to the bar. The bartender asks the horse, "Why the long face?"
I know you can tell a better one, but keep it clean because Beth told me the kids love to read the forums. Put a smile on your face my friend and count your blessings. Cause if you are alive and with the ones you love you are a lucky man Mr. Oroblanco. You are indeed a lucky man.

See you down the road my friend...and lookin' forward to it.

No, I am not even partly Hispanic, and know only enough Espanol to get myself in deep trouble. I have always liked the Spanish greeting so despite all proprieties have hijacked it. As for a sense of humor, we are not allowed, for these Peralta Stones are very serious business - ask anyone! I am lucky in love and friends, not so much in monetary terms. As a famous comedian once said, "If you had my money, you would be jumping out the window."

I look forward to meeting you, and hopefully several others of our amigos from here at the rendezvous.

Blindbowman wrote

two guys work into a bar one has a prospecting pick and a stair of back stapping death on his face , he walks over by the judebox , the other walks over to the bar real fast and says bartender give me 3 shot fast .. he downs them like he has not had a drink in days .. the bartender says why you drinking so , striaght faced he replys . i can 't drink with miners ...

LOL Muy bueno amigo!
Oroblanco

 

[Ellie Baba]

Oroblanco wrote;

What!? You mean, to take the maps just as they are, without any kind of hidden codes, secret encypherments, or astronomical/astrological alignments? More heresy! It can't be that simple, or so the saying goes, or someone would have already found the treasures, and removed them. We probably wouldn't even hear about it when they did it fifty years ago or much longer. Of course that would mean that the Peralta Stones are today exactly what the State of Arizona classified them as years ago too - "curiosities".
I can take you to the holes left behind by the "T-hunters" of old. Trees and brush grow out of the pits and trenches. The stone maps (version 21.0) led the way many years ago. If we were to believe that the current set of stone maps (version 21.1) were a fraud we would not been able to put an "X" on the same spot where we found the open pits and trenches. Curiosities? I think not. It is not that simple and it costs so much money and time. And finding an empty cache is gut wrenching, I know the feeling folks cause it makes you want to quit and I am not quitting as of yet! I got more time than money and I already have the money available to do it right. The facts are in the decision process and the one I use is this; there is a time and a place for everything under the sun. In other words will there ever be a right time and place? Who knows!

I love this work and I love this state and I am content with what I have. A toast to the burro man! Good night and God speed!

Ellie B

 

[Oroblanco]

sombrero and some beans your there ...

Muchas gracias por la cumplido amigo, Have beans, still need sombrero, will a good prospecting hat do?

BTW you fellows "have the floor" so to speak, should you care to tell the rest of the story?

Ellie B wrote

I can take you to the holes left behind by the "T-hunters" of old. Trees and brush grow out of the pits and trenches. The stone maps (version 21.0) led the way many years ago. If we were to believe that the current set of stone maps (version 21.1) were a fraud we would not been able to put an "X" on the same spot where we found the open pits and trenches. Curiosities? I think not. It is not that simple and it costs so much money and time. And finding an empty cache is gut wrenching, I know the feeling folks cause it makes you want to quit and I am not quitting as of yet! I got more time than money and I already have the money available to do it right. The facts are in the decision process and the one I use is this; there is a time and a place for everything under the sun. In other words will there ever be a right time and place? Who knows!

I love this work and I love this state and I am content with what I have. A toast to the burro man! Good night and God speed!

Buenos noches amigo
Oroblanco

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Ellie, you posted -->
Why did I think that you would say that? You finally got a B-8.
**************
Actually I rate an "A" to make up for the straight "D's" and"F's" I received in school.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Oroblanco]

Ellie, you posted -->
Why did I think that you would say that? You finally got a B-8.
**************
Actually I rate an "A" to make up for the straight "D's" and"F's" I received in school.

Don Jose de La Mancha

Dang amigo, I had no idea you were that smart even back in school days - all Fine's and Dandies on your report cards, no Bad's or Awful's? You must have been quite a young scholar!
Oroblanco

 

[Springfield]

.... Are you saying you know the secrets of the Lost Adams Matey? AARRGGGHHHH! Just so happens the property is located along Bear Creek, some very beautiful country not to far from the zigzag canyon. AArrggghh, looks like good times ahead. Found a couple of nice placers there and there be gold nuggets for us to discover in our Mexican gold pans.
Dreamin'of the future,

Ellie Baba

I'm not sure that I share your LAD conclusions about Bear Creek yet, but as always, I'm open-minded. There's a timing issue. No, I'm referring to a much more interesting target east of your (assumed) location. Still have my pan though. Abandoned the steel one for a nice green plastic one in the '70's. Have had more luck in Arroyo Rico than Bear Creek. By the way, I ran into a FS survey crew at the road 506 pond gate last week and one of the grunts let it slip that the FS is planning on closing the road and designating the creek as a riparian zone. Don't know the extents of the closure or the restrictions therein yet - the suits are mum and denying.

 

[Springfield]

.... If we were to believe that the current set of stone maps (version 21.1) were a fraud we would not been able to put an "X" on the same spot where we found the open pits and trenches. Curiosities? I think not. ...
Ellie B

My open but devious mind would have to include the following on the options list: reverse engineering?

 

[cactusjumper]

Springfield,

"My open but devious mind would have to include the following on the options list: reverse engineering?"

Believe I have been saying the same thing for a few years now.

It would be child's play for me to create a historically believable treasure tale, along with an accurate map, using well, or little, known landmarks, that would lead directly to an old mine or empty treasure/cache hole.

As each landmark along the trail was discovered, the seeker would only become more and more convinced that everything was true and authentic.

All that is required is a good grasp on the history you are using, intimate (boots on the ground) knowledge of the terrain, and an inventive imagination. Actually, I have done that on this site. You can find my story here:

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,286969.msg2084383/topicseen.html#msg2084383

Anyone who looks into the historical facts, will find them to match my story. In addition, the landmarks and terrain are exactly as I describe them, which gives the whole thing some respectable chops.

Take care,

Joe

 

[Ellie Baba]

Springfield,
"My open but devious mind would have to include the following on the options list: reverse engineering?"

Our Knowledge of the stone maps is based on this very premise. We had already located many Sara/landmarks before we realized that the stone maps were made to be used in this AOP (alpha/omega property). Later we realized that other AOP locations also existed and the maps held the clues which led to a 1/4 mile circular area where exact permanent objects were located. Our job was to find them.
Once we understood the stone maps instructions manual we knew where to look and we had no idea what to expect until we were on site. Typically we were instructed to go to three (3) physical locations and only one location of the three given would have a hard (permanent) manmade object or natural enhanced object to include a witness mark to verify the exact location. In all instances the other two locations were void of any man made or naturally enhanced objects. Every single on ground object was located in this fashion. Go to three, only one is used. We literally visited hundreds of locations within the confines of the 1900 Florence Topo Map. We gathered the initial data as instructed by the stone maps and catalogued the information.

Believe I have been saying the same thing for a few years now.
It would be child's play for me to create a historically believable treasure tale, along with an accurate map, using well, or little, known landmarks, that would lead directly to an old mine or empty treasure/cache hole.

Kind of like the description as noted above perhaps? No child's play for us; a true treasure tale, a very accurate map made of stone, hundreds of permanent landmarks/sara either man made and/or naturally enhanced and on several occasions led us directly to the cache locations that had previously been located and recovered by others unknown to us in the not so distant past.
As each landmark along the trail was discovered, the seeker would only become more and more convinced that everything was true and authentic.
Your statement is true; at first we just thought no way, but later realized that we were in way over our heads. We could not believe what was unfolding right before our very eyes; however, we also found out that we were quite naive.

All that is required is a good grasp on the history you are using, intimate (boots on the ground) knowledge of the terrain, and an inventive imagination. Actually, I have done that on this site. You can find my story here:
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,286969.msg2084383/topicseen.html#msg2084383

Intimate, boots on the ground reconnaissance, seasoned with an attention to detail is definitely required. Always take your topo maps with you and a GPS unit with an extra set of fresh batteries. We use our imaginations to think like they did, for nothing and anything can be expected. One must develop a mindset to accept the bazaar and un-believable concepts that you may discover along the way, so keep an open mind. Joe is correct in stating that you need to understand the history concerning these treasures. Why would we think the Church was not involved unless the sara had not told us so?

Later,

Ellie Baba

Copyright © “1985-2010” Ellie Baba all rights reserved

 

[Blindbowman]

after reading the last few replys .. i feel my time is better spend where people use their brains ...

 

[Springfield]

after reading the last few replys .. i feel my time is better spend where people use their brains ...

Yeah, you oughta try that.

 

[Ellie Baba]

after reading the last few replys .. i feel my time is better spend where people use their brains ...

I just want you to know BB that if you leave this site and go to another you will raise the IQ of both sites.

Ellie B

 

[Ellie Baba]

.... Are you saying you know the secrets of the Lost Adams Matey? AARRGGGHHHH! Just so happens the property is located along Bear Creek, some very beautiful country not to far from the zigzag canyon. AArrggghh, looks like good times ahead. Found a couple of nice placers there and there be gold nuggets for us to discover in our Mexican gold pans.
Dreamin'of the future,

Ellie Baba

I'm not sure that I share your LAD conclusions about Bear Creek yet, but as always, I'm open-minded. There's a timing issue. No, I'm referring to a much more interesting target east of your (assumed) location. Still have my pan though. Abandoned the steel one for a nice green plastic one in the '70's. Have had more luck in Arroyo Rico than Bear Creek. By the way, I ran into a FS survey crew at the road 506 pond gate last week and one of the grunts let it slip that the FS is planning on closing the road and designating the creek as a riparian zone. Don't know the extents of the closure or the restrictions therein yet - the suits are mum and denying.

Look at your topo map concerning the Bear Creek area and you will notice the thin section of private land that runs north to south is located right in the middle of the National Forestry lands. Over 1,400 acres and the Forestry Service has not yet had any luck trying to raise the funds to buy the property from my good friend Tom. They have already run out of time on the previous two contracts and Tom doubts that the transaction will never come true. He purchased the property for approx. 1.2 million USD a number of years ago. Hopefully i will have the deed to 20- 40 acres I have selected within a year. That is unless the FS has somehow found enough money to buy the place. Tom has still not decided to sell it at this time and that could change.

You mentioned a location to the east; any hint to where?

Ellie B