The Peralta Stone Maps, Real Maps to Lost Gold Mines or Cruel Hoax?

[Javaone]

I have a question for our Peralta Stone theorists
Oroblanco

Hello Oro,
Yes I would have to continue to search the area the “Stones” had led me to. I have found too many interesting things to just abandon the search. I would have to play it out…

Now… to the folks that have doubt in the “Stones” validity: If some info surfaced tomorrow that added strong evidence to their authenticity – would it change your path and cause you to reevaluate your methods and/or area of interest?

Thanks
Jerry

 

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[Loke]

I don't expect that the Peralta stones will be proven true OR false tomorrow.
why not today ...?

he he - a friend of mine had a wife (she was somewhat simple, poor thing) who had problems with her weight and decided to start slimming.
Her husband put a note up on the cupboard door: "Slimming starts tomorrow!"
So, each day she would open the door, see the note and almost audibly give a sigh of relief .. "Thank goodness, it's not until tomorrow!"

A lesson to be learned by all - 'time' should be an _absolute_ measure - not a _relative_ one!! (*lol* even though Einstein maintains that time _is_ relative)

Per

 

[cactusjumper]

Roy,

Since I am no longer looking, nothing would change. The area that the Stone Maps lead to would be a bit busy for awhile, but I am pretty sure that whatever they were hiding is long gone.

Rocks are pretty hard to date, once they are moved from their original location. I would be surprised if all the possible tests that could be done, haven't already been performed.

If the results ever returned positive, you can bet we would know it. In this case, keeping the test results secret seems like a prudent move for those who have possession of them. My guess is that, even if a new test(s) were done, they would be labeled "inconclusive".

All of that is probably why Jim Hatt's glue test was stillborn.

Interesting question!

Take care,

Joe

 

[gollum]

Roy,

Like Joe, it wouldn't affect me in the least to learn that they were modern hoaxes. If you look back at my previous thoughts on the subject, I have always said that since there is no provenance for them (a mention in an old Jesuit letter or in an old book), the possibility of them being frauds is ever present. I doubt however, something that was supposed to be a secret guide to a treasure would have been openly mentioned in any period letter or book. Everything I have found so far between research and looking at them up close has SO FAR led me to think the opposite (like that's a big secret HAHAHA).

Best-Mike

 

[Ellie Baba]

Ellie Baba wrote

a very good friend of mine recently passed and he also was a Dutch Hunter and a real American Cowboy; Wayne (Gayle) Wells

I am sorry to hear that, and have faith that we will meet again on the other side; in the meantime we know that Mr Wells has found treasure far greater than anything here on Earth.

I have a question for our Peralta Stone theorists; suppose that tomorrow, the Peralta stones were suddenly proven beyond all doubt to be modern frauds; what would that do to your own ideas of where they lead, and the intendant code(s) believed to be on them? Would it mean a complete re-thinking of everything, or do you have other evidence that would still lead you to the same conclusions? Thank you in advance, and no I don't expect that the Peralta stones will be proven true OR false tomorrow. Oroblanco

An answer for your question,

If the Stone Maps were determined to be modern day frauds it would not have any effect on my findings relating to certain types of treasure over the years. One can find a physical location where the SARA is highly concentrated on an alpha/omega property without using the stone maps.

Let me explain.

The alpha/omega property refers to a specific area of land that contains every single clue needed to locate each and every cache within a depository area. There are many, many depository areas throughout the southwest. This particular AOP, (alpha/omega property) is located within a nine square mile area that contains hundreds of SARA which in turn divulge huge amounts of detailed information that will make your head spin. The SARA information continually changes throughout the year as the sun and moon are constantly moving across the heavens.

Every major trail will have certain monuments, SARA or signs indicating the way to a depository area. Some will be seen form great distances of many miles. The problem is one must learn the techniques used and developed by the architects in order to recognize these Sara/monuments. Without this knowledge you will never locate an approaching AOP and will walk right past. It is a fact that most AOP sites will incorporate Sara/monuments from all traveled trails of that time (primarily found along rivers and waterways) hint; Kino & Manje, and they always carried a spy glass. Each directional trail will have its own Sara/monuments leading you to the AOP central location.

The Stone Maps do have some helpful information only if you use them in the depository area they were intended for; the 1900-02 Florence Topographical Map. Longitude, 33 00 to 33 30, Latitude, 33 00 to 33 30 (111 00 to 111 30) it is so simple. The Stone Maps also help me to decide which Sara clue to use. You must have both the Sara and the Stone Maps in order for the Stone Maps to work. The Sara will eventually tell you all you need to know, if you were willing to spend a number of years watching the Sara as the sun and moon traverse the heavens; and I have spent quite a few years (I would like to use the Stone Maps, please).

Joe, I just read your post and I would like to make an observation: I just bought a new King James Bible and was reading John 3:16. On my computer I just read the same verse found in a 1455 Gutenberg Bible. The same verse is true in both editions, so why does it matter as to how old one is to the other. The Stone Maps are just as real as if they were made in 1910. Now, the Sara are over 400 years old and the Stone Map information is tied directly to the Sara, therefore the information found on the Stone Maps is over 400 years old (actually much older).

Later,

Ellie B

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[cactusjumper]

Ellie,

"Joe, I just read your post and I would like to make an observation: I just bought a new King James Bible and was reading John 3:16. On my computer I just read the same verse found in a 1455 Gutenberg Bible. The same verse is true in both editions, so why does it matter as to how old one is to the other. The Stone Maps are just as real as if they were made in 1910. Now, the Sara are over 400 years old and the Stone Map information is tied directly to the Sara, therefore the information found on the Stone Maps is over 400 years old (actually much older)."

Considering how old the Superstition Mountains are, It's not really that important to know how old the Sara's....etc. are. They could have been in existence before man walked in North America. If that's true, and I believe it is, the maps could have been carved at any time in that period.

That means, it's no great mystery that your Sara's are tied to the Stone Maps. I could make a map today that shows the priest rock formation that I posted here, and it would not mean a thing as to the age or authenticity of my map.

There are many, many strange formations in the Superstitions that look like man could have had a hand in shaping them. Is it logical or even possible?

Take care,

Joe

 

[Oroblanco]

Javaone wrote

Now… to the folks that have doubt in the “Stones” validity: If some info surfaced tomorrow that added strong evidence to their authenticity – would it change your path and cause you to reevaluate your methods and/or area of interest?

In my own case, yes; obviously. I do not hold much trust in any treasure map (regardless of what it is drawn on) but it they were absolutely proven to be genuine, I would need to re-examine the whole deal.

Blindbowman wrote

there is no question about it .. these stones were made in 1646

If that is true, why do we see a date of 1847 on them instead of 1646? Thank you in advance, and thank you all for your replies to my question. It appears that the stone maps are not absolutely necessary to any one of your quests, as you have other info to work from as well or are not using them anyway.
Roy

 

[Ellie Baba]

Thanks Oroblanco for the evaluation,

There is no question in my mind whatsoever that the Stone Maps are in fact 100% true treasure maps.

How much more proof other than what I have already shared does one need? The horse map transition to the 1900 Florence Topo, the elephant, the horse's hooves, the anchor, the R-rock with the crescent 9, etc.

I haven't even introduced the constellations and asterisms related to this depository area and the secret of Orion; the maps tell of a fantastic story of adventure rich in history, love, tragedy and sacrifice; a brotherhood that we would all love to be a part of. There is also the evil sinister part of the story, however in the end the Church remains the victor. The Church and all who belong to her.

The real treasure is what we lay up in heaven, not what we amass on this earth. I am still enthralled with the hunt and the adventure. And I am willing to share what I know. I love the desert and its beauty and know how to deal with her ways, she is like a woman, sometimes you gotta take the heat, but it is worth every moment. The cold spring water in the mountains, the cool breeze caressing your soul, this is living life to its fullest, you and your friends sharing life together.

Sometimes I will laugh out loud as I remember some crazy things that happened on the trail. People look at me like I was insane. My memory is filled with treasure, my friends and the times we spent together. I miss so many of them, like my good friend Gayle. I can see his smile and here him laugh, how he loved gold panning. The trail is getting longer and I do not know how much farther I can go. I will have my log cabin in Pinos Altos and live out my final years there with the rest of my closest friends. There will be some good times you can bet on it!

The Stone Maps address our very beliefs. Are they the real McCoy or are they truly fakes? If one decides to take the journey he or she will discover the truth just as I have. We all have a love affair dreaming of treasure and riches that are hidden upon this earth. We love the adventure, the thrill of the hunt and we can see the light at the end of the tunnel; fame and fortune are within our grasp.

Then one day, as the years have suddenly slipped past, we realize the truth has always been right there in front of us. Seek the council of the Lord, love Him with all your heart and with all your soul and with your entire mind and love your neighbor as yourself. This is the path to riches folks.

The most beautiful Sara of them all depicts Christ’s crucifixion and those standing nearby that loved him. No greater gift has a man than to give his life for another. I am a content individual and every day I live to see another I thank my Lord. The Stone Maps are indeed 100% the real McCoy! Study/seek/search your heart my friend. The real treasure is closer than you think!

Come on out and we will take a trip to remember. Any of you any time, a standing offer. See you at Rendezvous!

Good night all,

Ellie B

 

[Springfield]

..... There is no question in my mind whatsoever that the Stone Maps are in fact 100% true treasure maps.

How much more proof other than what I have already shared does one need? .....Ellie B

Unfortunately, you seem to be at a similar place that BB (not the bb from this forum, but 'your' BB) continues to find himself in OK. While I understand the evidence you've worked years to piece together and provide some of here, and have seen similar extraordinary examples elsewhere, I also note that the conclusions you've drawn cannot yet be verified - only inferred. It seems that the trail of genius is like tracking the will-o'-the-wisp.

I'm also not a little reluctant about another path that BB seems to has taken, and you too seem to be following - one that I believe may turn out to be a fundamental error. Maybe we can have some fun discussions when you retire to PA. For your spare time, I'll start you out on another mystery possibly visible from your cabin. Just what you'll need ... ha ha.

 

[Javaone]

1847 is not a date, I must agree… It does, however, correspond with the mathematical equation on the “Stone Map”. No elaborate coding in my summation – actually very simple.

All of the writings and numbers on the “Stones” (including the crosses) are linked together for the sole purpose of ciphering the map. There is no unnecessary info given by the creator of the “Stones”. All of the information to solve the Stones is on the Stones. You need not look elsewhere. In my opinion.

One thing to keep in mind is that the creator of the Stones had plenty of time to be precise. The whole operation of exploiting the mine(s) in the Superstitions was not overnight, it took years. He -(most likely a Jesuit Priest)- had his workers to work the mines, and his survey team to explore.

Jerry

 

[Javaone]

You are correct... the Crosses are not a part of the set. They were made, in my opinion, before the "Jesuit Stone maps" by the same creator(s). However; info on the Crosses can be used to fill in gaps and/or help to verify the findings on the Stones.

Jerry

 

[Javaone]

When trying to determine the validity of the Stones one must keep in mind that “metal tools”, for example, have been used for centuries to carve with -> including the “drill press” – yes, it has been around for centuries as well along with other mechanical devices.
If the Stones were carved by a master stone carver, chances are he would have all the modern tools, relatively speaking, to do the task at that time.

 

[cactusjumper]

Javaone,

The real question about the Stone Maps is, does anyone have the "alleged" tracings that Miller was said to have made......prior to Tumlinson altering the maps?

Has anyone ever seen the tracings, or even heard about them?

As for the Stone Crosses and the Latin Heart, where are the originals today? I know the stories, but personally believe everything about those artifacts is fiction. Without the originals to test, IMHO, they remain hoax's, no matter how many "experts" decipher the copies.

Take care,

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Ellie Baba]

Javaone,

The real question about the Stone Maps is, does anyone have the "alleged" tracings that Miller was said to have made......prior to Tumlinson altering the maps?

Has anyone ever seen the tracings, or even heard about them?

As for the Stone Crosses and the Latin Heart, where are the originals today? I know the stories, but personally believe everything about those artifacts is fiction. Without the originals to test, IMHO, they remain hoax's, no matter how many "experts" decipher the copies.

Take care,

Joe Ribaudo

Yes, I have mentioned the tracings a number of times; Peralta Stones, topic # 2510, # 2514 and your post # 2532.

There is so much information to remember Joe, and even I sometimes have been found guilty by my own family.

Ellie Baba

Don Jose... You little La Mancha You... I have a present for you from our friend Mike, and you thought I wouldn't notice... gotcha!

 

[Ellie Baba]

Don Jose, my south of the B order compadre,

Good afternoon and how are you this very fine day? I wanted to share a special gift with you... it is definitely a "B"!

A "B" gosh damn it a "B"! Seeing is B-lieving. Please do not B upset with me. If I where a young maiden I would ask you to B mine.

Thank the Lord I was B orn a B oy. B ye, B ye!

Ellie BaBa

 

[Twisted Fork]

Gee willikers, theres another picture with RIO on it......They appear to have even spelled it out. There is a line that runs right into the horses nose. Maybe if you start up the Apache trail from where the tablets were hidden, the horse will lead you straight to the main first marker along the water.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Evening ELLIE, switch the light to the right side and we have an "8" hmmmm?

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Oroblanco]

Hola amigos,
Ellie B wrote

Thanks Oroblanco for the evaluation,

Come on out and we will take a trip to remember. Any of you any time, a standing offer. See you at Rendezvous!

Good night all,

Thank you for the kind offer; I would want to get to know you a bit better, before heading off-road. Beth and I will likely be in the southwest come October, however the 'itinerary' has been filling up so I don't know if I should make any further promises. I hate to make a promise and then be unable to fulfill it. We are shooting for attendance at the rendezvous, hoping to meet some of our online friends in person and I look forward to it.

Evening ELLIE, switch the light to the right side and we have an "8" hmmmm?

Don Jose de La Mancha

Shadder writing amigo? On the Peralta stones? Heresy!
Oroblanco

 

[cactusjumper]

Roy,

"Shadder writing amigo? On the Peralta stones? Heresy!"

Here's a novel thought......Why not just read the maps as they are? No shadows, no tiny marks that can't be seen with the human eye, no removing the heart and spining it, no putting sticks in the holes and see where the shadows fall on march 31......just read 'em as they were drawn.

While we're at it, let's leave out the secret King's code which no one knows.....except a fellow who's been dead awhile.

Now I don't say there is no code built into the Stone Maps, but I will bring a topo' and let you draw the trail map while we are setting around at the Rendezvous. It doesn't really take very long.

Course, I could be all wrong.

Take care,

Joe

 

[Ellie Baba]

Hola amigos,
Ellie B wrote

Thanks Oroblanco for the evaluation,

Come on out and we will take a trip to remember. Any of you any time, a standing offer. See you at Rendezvous!

Good night all,

Thank you for the kind offer; I would want to get to know you a bit better, before heading off-road. Beth and I will likely be in the southwest come October, however the 'itinerary' has been filling up so I don't know if I should make any further promises. I hate to make a promise and then be unable to fulfill it. We are shooting for attendance at the rendezvous, hoping to meet some of our online friends in person and I look forward to it.

No problem my friends. I have been called "King of the four wheel drive". I started riding off road in Southern Ca. with the "Antelope Ramblers" since 1963, Hare & Hound, Barstow to Vegas and so forth. I never ride over my head especially now that I am older and wiser.

Evening ELLIE, switch the light to the right side and we have an "8" hmmmm?

Don Jose de La Mancha

Shadder writing amigo? On the Peralta stones? Heresy!
Oroblanco

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