The Peralta Stone Maps, Real Maps to Lost Gold Mines or Cruel Hoax?

[Springfield]

A while back,I had said that I would post some photos of the results of my experiment with rock and hand drill.
It was not that difficult but I had to recharge the battery on the drill a few times.It should make for an interesting conversational piece when visitors see it in my garden.

Regards:SH.

PS: If you try and follow this fake map anywhere,you better bring a topo map of Tibet...

Conversation piece par excellence. You might explore a new career as a merry prankster. Don't worry about the topo thingy - once people get hot on an idea, they tend to make things fit one way or another.

 

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[somehiker]

A while back,I had said that I would post some photos of the results of my experiment with rock and hand drill.
It was not that difficult but I had to recharge the battery on the drill a few times.It should make for an interesting conversational piece when visitors see it in my garden.

Regards:SH.

PS: If you try and follow this fake map anywhere,you better bring a topo map of Tibet...

Conversation piece par excellence. You might explore a new career as a merry prankster. Don't worry about the topo thingy - once people get hot on an idea, they tend to make things fit one way or another.

Well,I was tempted to carve "2010" on the stone,but I figgered that would make it seem too "authentic".

SH.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Good evening BB: As it has been said "no man is an island" we are all joined, every loss is a loss for all of us. Just think, he now knows the secret of Tayopa and the LDM, and is probably laughing at us.

Que le vaya con Dios.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Twisted Fork]

Dig that experiment.......

The primary math of the stone mason is recorded on the face of the tablets, or at face value. This is all anyone in basic comprehension needs to find the mines. Finding the vaults is in another flip flop in the system; inverted if you will, but once you find the mines, the vaults come more into focus all on their own. Shapes again, I say. Markers are laid out on the ground leading up to and away from the mine, like a chain. Certain shapes are used for each chain and another combination of shapes in small stones or tree carvings or both in most cases. They are laid out on a variety of different angles according to the trail that either leads to the next way in to the lode or the next lode or the vault. It's all based on the primary root angles or common denominators used in stone cutting. A Master Mason used to mean something other than magic underwear.

 

[Blindbowman]

ya, it means you been reading to many treasure magizes ...lol

 

[Twisted Fork]

Like a mail order camel

 

[Javaone]

Hello All,

SH had brought up "Storm" in another thread, but I felt that my thoughts about "Storm" would fit in better here...

Paul:
Yes it is.Can't miss that unique location in the movie,either.
Wonder if Storm suggested the location....and why?
An egotistical wish to see some of his favourite places in a Hollywood movie?

Regards:Wayne

Some have suggested that "Storm" may have had a hand in the fabrication of the "Peralta Stones" - The Hoax...

Soooo let’s talk “Storm”.

He did not have a “high” education. He wrote books. He was in the military. He had a good knowledge of the Supes. He had the attention of some influential people. He had the gift to gab. He did NOT have a good grasp on money (even though he made his fair share back then). He had the opportunities to con. He was not a genius. He died a paranoid man.
He was NOT a “genius”!!

In order to have created the stones he would have had to employ some people. Not one, but several.

It would have taken him weeks if not months to get the "Stones" made. They would have to be real; sort of speak. A true beginning, - and an ending… Just in case…

Influential people have armies behind them, and they do have a grasp on money. If someone comes to them to ask for money, -trying to appeal to their sense of adventure – most would be interested, but would say to Guido, - “Check it out”…

If there were any suspicions, there would be a trail of broken legs; literally or figuratively.

If it were a politician approached, it could very well be that the FBI was “Guido”……..


I seriously doubt that he could have pulled off such a hoax. He, as well as others, may have had the opportunity, but not the ability.

Jerry

 

[Oroblanco]

Hola amigo,
Interesting objections to Storm as the creator, however he was actually good friends with some very influential and powerful people, including none other than Senator Barry Goldwater, from whom he borrowed a name for his pen name. Sen Goldwater even helped Storm get his first book published.

Have to sign off, will stop back this evening.
Roy

 

[Javaone]

Hola amigo,
Interesting objections to Storm as the creator, however he was actually good friends with some very influential and powerful people, including none other than Senator Barry Goldwater, from whom he borrowed a name for his pen name. Sen Goldwater even helped Storm get his first book published.

Have to sign off, will stop back this evening.
Roy

OK... how much money did his "influential" friends give him - ZIP, ZERO, NADA!
Show me the Money! - Incidently, if they did give him any money for the search, it was most likely because "Guido" said; "it's cool" 8)


Sorry! that all sounded a little like someone else...

 

[Twisted Fork]

The intellectual rise in everyday society that came in after WWII, brought an increase in the hunger for good reading ......Mysteriously Lost and Twisted they are

 

[Javaone]

The intellectual rise in everyday society that came in after WWII, brought an increase in the hunger for good reading ......Mysteriously Lost and Twisted they are

Tipping a couple, Twisted?

 

[Twisted Fork]

 

[Oroblanco]

Javaone wrote

OK... how much money did his "influential" friends give him - ZIP, ZERO, NADA!
Show me the Money! - Incidently, if they did give him any money for the search, it was most likely because "Guido" said; "it's cool"


Sorry! that all sounded a little like someone else...

OK you lost me with that one, why did Barry Storm need a lot of money, if he were the creator of the stone maps? His influential connections certainly helped in getting his book published, possibly even a nudge for that "Lust for Gold" Hollywood movie script, so I don't see where he would have needed a direct cash input from his friends. Thank you in advance;
Oroblanco

 

[Javaone]

Hello Oro, Twisted and I tipped a few too many last night I think.

The best way to answer your question is with a question. For what other purpose would "Storm" need to create the maps, if he already had plenty of money available to him? Beth? Anyone??

Thanks in Advance...

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Just because you have money doesn't mean you don't want more. Besides, recognition and "clout" are important to some - sometimes more than money, sometimes bringing money.

When I think of Barry Storm, all I keep thinking of is that darned deerskin map - that he signed. ? Why would he do that? It makes one wonder what Barry Storm was making.

Beth

 

[Twisted Fork]

There is a rock wall here in Utah, next to an ancient mine cave. In the spring, two shadows are cast upon it in the morning. One is a frontal view of a standing witch in robe, with a trowel or sword point over his heart made of sunlight. The second one is a spot on image of the same witch on the tablets including the cross in his hands. He is even turned to face the same way. This one is about 11 feet high and faces the other witch from his right.

I took a picture of them with film some years ago, but couldn't find the photo last I looked. It is on a mountain north of Spanish Fork and is crazy to get to. Next spring, my digital camera shall find it's way there again.

 

[Javaone]

Just because you have money doesn't mean you don't want more. Besides, recognition and "clout" are important to some - sometimes more than money, sometimes bringing money.

When I think of Barry Storm, all I keep thinking of is that darned deerskin map - that he signed. ? Why would he do that? It makes one wonder what Barry Storm was making.

Beth

Oh darn... i was calling you out,.... but I was hoping you wouldn't show up.

To all.....

The question is... Some have mentioned that they feel "Storm" had a part in the fabrication of the "Stones". - For what purpose would "Storm" need to create the maps, if he already had plenty of money available to him? According to Oro <-- his fault.

Jerry

 

[Javaone]

I'm going on vacation now... for about a decade.

 

[Twisted Fork]

I heard that the world is supposed to end along with all the bogus rags about the Lost Dutchman; what was it 2012? Better find a rock to climb under on some other planet; the one the tablets originated from I suppose.

 

[Oroblanco]

Hola amigo Javaone <and everyone following this>,

<you wrote>

The question is... Some have mentioned that they feel "Storm" had a part in the fabrication of the "Stones". - For what purpose would "Storm" need to create the maps, if he already had plenty of money available to him? According to Oro <-- his fault.

Why does it have to be all about money? Clearly they were not created for the purpose of generating cash income, but money is not the only motive. Have you ever heard of what is called a "pious fraud"? There are a number of religious texts that have the names of famous holy men as the authors, when in truth they were written by pious men because they felt such texts were needed but did not exist. Just as many map-makers included the legendary kingdom of Prester John on them, even though no one had ever been to that mythical land. So they were filling a void, producing what they felt SHOULD exist; Barry Storm has done this very thing in making fake "Spanish Hieroglyphs" in the Superstition mountains, not to mention his famous deerskin map which he even signed. So a major motive would not have anything to do with money whatsoever, nor was it necessarily an attempt to fool anyone for laughs, but producing what he felt SHOULD exist.

All of which does not prove that Barry Storm made them either, but so far I have not been able to disprove him. If he had signed the stones, then we could settle it but he didn't sign his fake "hieroglyphs" nor did he ever admit to having made them; if a few old-timers had not witnessed his act of fraud we would not know it today.
Oroblanco