The Peralta Stone Maps, Real Maps to Lost Gold Mines or Cruel Hoax?

[sgtfda]

Homar I'm sure your not suggesting Wayne Tuttle is not a real Dutchhunter. It's a fact that he is the real deal.

 

Amazon Forum Fav 👍

Upgraded Night Vision Monocular Digital Infrared Monocular Telescope for 100% Darkness with 8X Zoom - Grab it through Amazon!

[johnmark29020]

Wilderness Area rules, and regulations prohibit filming for profit. This is why The History Channel never ventures into the Superstition Wilderness with their film crew, and I doubt that they will do it in February. Neither Scott, or Resolution Copper will ever come near the LDM, or the Heart area in my honest opinion. Oh there will be many wowed by the show, but the real Dutch Hunters will know better, and note that the clues will not fit. They don't care about the truth, only about making money, and always manage to find someone willing to put on a straight face while doing this.

Homar

Thats if the ldm is in superstition mtn.

 

[johnmark29020]

Watch Superstition Mountain when it airs in Feb and you will see it

I for one will watch it. I am always open to new ideas,and im interested in seeing what you guys turned up.
I want to see if you guys found some of the same things I found. Heck I might find out that Im totally wrong.
Still there will be people who want believe it. To entrenched in their opions and the legends.
Thats ok though.

Good Job sgtfda. Yoy said you were going to make it happen and you did.

 

[gollum]

Wilderness Area rules, and regulations prohibit filming for profit. This is why The History Channel never ventures into the Superstition Wilderness with their film crew, and I doubt that they will do it in February. Neither Scott, or Resolution Copper will ever come near the LDM, or the Heart area in my honest opinion. Oh there will be many wowed by the show, but the real Dutch Hunters will know better, and note that the clues will not fit. They don't care about the truth, only about making money, and always manage to find someone willing to put on a straight face while doing this.

Homar

Homar,

I am with Frank here. I really hope that you are not insinuating Wayne Tuttle is not a real Dutch Hunter. I will reserve any further comments until we hear back from you on this.

Mike

 

[coazon de oro]

Homer there are exceptions to every rule

Howdy Sarge,

This is so true, and I'm hoping those filming restrictions get bended. This would also give one hope of bending other rules, besides it would be great to see the Superstition Wilderness on film.

I have never met, or debated with Mr. Tuttle, so I really don't know what he believes about the LDGM legend. There are many die hard Dutch Hunters who's theories are beyond wild, while others show a lot of common sense. One can only hope for the best, but I doubt that Mr. Tuttle will have much control of what gets presented. I am sure he won't be the only one in the show.

Look at how the other show went, they had Mr. Tom K. one of the most knowledgeable, and well respected historian of the Superstitions. We didn't see much of him, and they made it look like he didn't know the PSM's were in the Museum close by.

The best presentation that I have seen, was the one with Mr. Clay Worst, and Dr. Thomas Glover.

Homar

 

[sgtfda]

Homer there will be many surprises on the show. I think you will find it interesting.

 

[johnmark29020]

Homer there will be many surprises on the show. I think you will find it interesting.

Is there away for those of us without cable to purchase a copy of the show. Do you know if history will be making it available to purchase online.

 

[sgtfda]

They sell videos of all the shows after they air.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Hi John, I'm with you but who did the last known Native people 'take' it from ?? It has been a continual succession of the strong taking the land from those weaker than they were. Who were the original settlers of the land ??

 

[johnmark29020]

Hi John, I'm with you but who did the last known Native people 'take' it from ?? It has been a continual succession of the strong taking the land from those weaker than they were. Who were the original settlers of the land ??

That my friend is a good question. I must admit I dont know. Whoever they were seems to scare the powers to be. That makes me ask questions.

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

They are 2 different things

Whoaaa nellie. The mine has a big and varied footprint below and above. And then there are those 2 other things. Each that has a locational relationship. Have at 'er please

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

Frank. You keep saying Homer, he keeps signing Homar. Jes sayin'

 

[sgtfda]

It's not me but my thumb

 

[Eldo]

So is the show about the Wilderness and the Mountains and about its history and wild nature?........

or treasure legends ?

 

[somehiker]

It's all about both Eldo.Can't really have one without the other nowadays.
I'll be looking forward to seeing what they've found out there.
Perhaps someone can post the longer teaser preview that has been shared recently.

Regards:SH.

 

[JackH]

Hi John, I'm with you but who did the last known Native people 'take' it from ?? It has been a continual succession of the strong taking the land from those weaker than they were. Who were the original settlers of the land ??

Hello my Friend. I believe the answer you seek is "The Tribe/s have been there for 1500-2000 years !" Who then before that ? And only if you accept my theory of the LDM, because that takes you out of today's location of the Supers. And puts you where the wild Mustangs also live today.........J

 

[johnmark29020]

Hello my Friend. I believe the answer you seek is "The Tribe/s have been there for 1500-2000 years !" Who then before that ? And only if you accept my theory of the LDM, because that takes you out of today's location of the Supers. And puts you where the wild Mustangs also live today.........J

Where do the mustangs live. Ive been wondering that one. Ive been there twice and only to my site. There is somthings that make me think the american south weast is the land of the giants mentioned in the legend of thor. I think some of the indian tribes are left over from a great civilization that was tore apart by unexpected volcanics activity. Its nothing I can prove. Just the impression I get reading old indian tales and see the work that was done. Things we couldn't do today.

 

[Azquester]

1. Sadly you are right. Still Its my hope to document what is there before it gets ruined. Also if the monuments can be protected. That would be nice. The area has many hidden treasure in old markers and monuments that really need to be shown to the public. I found by accident that this area is the trail and heart map. I was following waltzs directions. That's how I found it. I saw the perfil map,and climbed up to the Indian treasure cave.
   While there I stayed in the same hotel as the surveyors. They told me first hand. The company knows this area is the location of the stone maps,and the ldm. They had impressive maps,and sat photos.
   I felt kinda proud that I found it using watzs clues and google. The government is getting the wool pulled over their eyes. The locals are coming out on the losing end of this deal.
   There may be nothing we can do to stop it,but if we can film and document it. Atleast future generations will be able to see the landmarks. There is a secret that I wont reveal with out sailaways permission, and not before we have it on film. It will prove many people right in their beliefs.
   I dont care if they mine. The money in the local economy would be helpful. I just want them to respect the history, and not destroy whats there. After seeing for myself whats there. I came to realize that many of the old timers knew the truith. Also I dont think its right to block the native people from using the surface.
   I have no problem with making money, but there is a right way to do it.
   If any of you would like to help document the things there. I for one would welcome the help. The area is very rough and what I need is the use of atv,and or horses. I cant hike due to my health. Not fast anyway.
   Its kinda sad knowing this company is going to benefit from all the work done by the dutch hunters,and no one knows it.
   The picture I posted is the perfil map in reverse. Its looking east. The map is looking west.
   Everything on the map is there. One thing on the map is a shadow. Thats why the maps say. Seen high at noon. The word cima. Means plateau. Thats right. I still dont know what the s represents.
   The weavers needle that waltzs speaks of in the clues is a rock. If you look at my pic. Its right behind the profile head rock. I know its a crappy pic. Thats why I want to film it.
   There is a very old interview with old time prospector. Where they say waltzs is working the old mexican mines. These are those mines. Most of the information that people had on the ldm was right. They just missunderstood the weavers needle clue. Therefore they were trying to make the maps fit the wrong location. One of crazy jakes maps is perfect. If he had only been in the right spot. We wouldnt be talking today.
   Like I said anyone who wants to help. You are welcome.

   
   
   

   The trick to the stone maps and most of the paper maps is simple.
   They are of the mining sites themselves. I havent found one that shows the trail to the mining location
   Except one that crazy jack was said to own. It takes you to the right place. However jake like many others.
   Jake was trying to make it fit the sups. The map jake had starts down at hwy 60 near Florence. You do pass the weavers needle,but its far off in the distance. A new friend in az showed me the needle from hwy 60.
   The direction used given by walzs are from 60 and from phoenix.
   They are two sets of direction mix into one set of clues. When you have been to the right location its easy to separate the two. Almost impossible to do with visiting the site.
   Waltzs ldm and the stone maps are the same place. The perfil map is also in the same place.
   Hopefully some new friends of mine will help me prove it.
   Heres a hint for you. Those who have been to the location. I know a few of you have been based on comments you guys have made on here. Regarding things I saw with my own eyes. The goat ranch mentioned in the ldm clues is still there. Abandoned but still standing. The goat ranch is important in finding the stone trail map.
   Unfortunately there is a mining company trying to get ownership of the heart/ trail map through a land swap. If we dont prove the location first. It will become private property and off limits. They are working on getting apachie leap right now.
   I could use all the help I can get.
   If you are interested pm me.

Shadow signs and a Goat Ranch? It seems there are others that believe in Shadows signs from the stone maps on here. The Goat Ranch? Maybe this is where that artifact somehiker posted came from as it depicts a Mountain Goat God.

The survey sort of nails the right approach to the stone maps. They were faked with intention to fool.

---

[h=3][/h]

 

[markmar]

Bill

The stone maps were not faked but in the last years . The real deal about the stone maps is not who made them , who found them or where were found but where lead .

 

[Azquester]

Bill

The stone maps were not faked but in the last years . The real deal about the stone maps is not who made them , who found them or where were found but where lead .

Yea, no where but the corner Bar after you loose all your money looking for Travis's yankee doodle's.