The Peralta Stone Maps, Real Maps to Lost Gold Mines or Cruel Hoax?

[Treasure_Hunter]

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[Eldo]

Ive personally dealt with the San Carlos res........they seem satisfied with their lands being used in some areas.......

the thing is that what is happening is they all originally agreed on the mines and trades in the beginning, when there was only a few mines.....this was suspect to a few but ok with others

what the other tribes saw that was happening though, is that because they had made one deal in a certain area, that would allow the govt to justify the current expansions going on for the mining of all resources, in any area that they wanted to mine

the natives do not want to be Owners, and have to play Lets Make a Deal, every time a new company wants more........

they offer money but that disappears to the white store owners........what is its value? They have the ore.......

and these are not inclusive buy ins.........they are BUY OUTS>>>>>>

the strategy of warfare is to make the furthest immediate push into enemy territory, and hold out, forming a fortification and permanent base........while moving in supplies, cornering off your enemy, and then sending in small teams to perforate the many battalions into loosely based and differentiating organizations that have no morals left to speak of. Turnign them all against one another to save their own pride, erasing their history, and stomping on their language with twisted versions of their words as mockeries, with mascots used for their war teams and military insignias.....

So funny their plot.....and so easy to plot it all out in a timeline and see what they are ultimately after.

To the Natives,.....they have lost the sacred ways due to being moved from their lands, and the lands have become the desert mining wastelands they all make movies about.

Just look at the actual amount of perforation going on in this one area, where there are a concentration of numerous Apache bands, all claiming different parts of this rich copper, silver, and gold mining valley
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[johnmark29020]

I happened to be there when they were surveying the Montana mountain loop trail. They ran a cooper wire up north happy camp cannon rd all the way to maricopa county line.
I spoke to the company and the person on the phone said that are was the next step in the land swap.

 

[somehiker]

Pretty much a done deal...

"President Barak Obama has signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) into law, which includes riders containing the largest public lands package since 2009, which includes land swaps that benefit the Resolution Copper Project in Arizona and the Pumpkin Hollow Copper Project in Nevada. A joint venture of Rio Tinto and BHP Billiton allows for the exchange of 2,400 acres of federal land at Oak Flat around the deposit for 5,400 privately owned acres of land held by Resolution Copper including riparian habitat on the lower San Pedro River."


Copper » Republic of Mining
Resolution Copper deal elicits celebration, outrage

 

[johnmark29020]

Pretty much a done deal...

"President Barak Obama has signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) into law, which includes riders containing the largest public lands package since 2009, which includes land swaps that benefit the Resolution Copper Project in Arizona and the Pumpkin Hollow Copper Project in Nevada. A joint venture of Rio Tinto and BHP Billiton allows for the exchange of 2,400 acres of federal land at Oak Flat around the deposit for 5,400 privately owned acres of land held by Resolution Copper including riparian habitat on the lower San Pedro River."

Copper » Republic of Mining
Resolution Copper deal elicits celebration, outrage

Sadly you are right. Still Its my hope to document what is there before it gets ruined. Also if the monuments can be protected. That would be nice. The area has many hidden treasure in old markers and monuments that really need to be shown to the public. I found by accident that this area is the trail and heart map. I was following waltzs directions. That's how I found it. I saw the perfil map,and climbed up to the Indian treasure cave.
While there I stayed in the same hotel as the surveyors. They told me first hand. The company knows this area is the location of the stone maps,and the ldm. They had impressive maps,and sat photos.
I felt kinda proud that I found it using watzs clues and google. The government is getting the wool pulled over their eyes. The locals are coming out on the losing end of this deal.
There may be nothing we can do to stop it,but if we can film and document it. Atleast future generations will be able to see the landmarks. There is a secret that I wont reveal with out sailaways permission, and not before we have it on film. It will prove many people right in their beliefs.
I dont care if they mine. The money in the local economy would be helpful. I just want them to respect the history, and not destroy whats there. After seeing for myself whats there. I came to realize that many of the old timers knew the truith. Also I dont think its right to block the native people from using the surface.
I have no problem with making money, but there is a right way to do it.
If any of you would like to help document the things there. I for one would welcome the help. The area is very rough and what I need is the use of atv,and or horses. I cant hike due to my health. Not fast anyway.
Its kinda sad knowing this company is going to benefit from all the work done by the dutch hunters,and no one knows it.
The picture I posted is the perfil map in reverse. Its looking east. The map is looking west.
Everything on the map is there. One thing on the map is a shadow. Thats why the maps say. Seen high at noon. The word cima. Means plateau. Thats right. I still dont know what the s represents.
The weavers needle that waltzs speaks of in the clues is a rock. If you look at my pic. Its right behind the profile head rock. I know its a crappy pic. Thats why I want to film it.
There is a very old interview with old time prospector. Where they say waltzs is working the old mexican mines. These are those mines. Most of the information that people had on the ldm was right. They just missunderstood the weavers needle clue. Therefore they were trying to make the maps fit the wrong location. One of crazy jakes maps is perfect. If he had only been in the right spot. We wouldnt be talking today.
Like I said anyone who wants to help. You are welcome.

 

[roadrunner]

What page or post number is it at. The picture.
I still did not look at the pics you sent me.
Or could I view your web pages when I tried to log in.

 

[johnmark29020]

What page or post number is it at. The picture.
I still did not look at the pics you sent me.
Or could I view your web pages when I tried to log in.

Page 210 of this post.

 

[Loke]

Page 210 of this post.

Maybe post# might be a better indication? We don't all use 10 posts/page (me, I'm using 50 - easier to scroll down and not so many 'headers' to bother about)

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Maybe post# might be a better indication? We don't all use 10 posts/page (me, I'm using 50 - easier to scroll down and not so many 'headers' to bother about)

Loke is correct, I also use 50 per page. For members post number would be most accurate, since mods and admins see all posts even those deleted, our post count is different than yours since deleted posts still count for us in post count.....

 

[johnmark29020]

The perfil map looking east up the canon. This is also the location of the heart map. Im hoping to return soon and film the entire area. Its my hope to have the entire area protected.

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Here it is again. I couldnt find a post number.

 

[somehiker]

johnmark: ----------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------- --------------look up here-------------- ^

 

[somehiker]

Google this for a comprehensive run down ...... ANALYSIS of the PERALTA MAP by Richard A. Robinson

I have been told that it was Richard Robinson who made the moulds and castings of the Stone Maps formerly kept at the AMMM.

Links to his other books and articles, with some in pdf form, can be found on this page.....http://www.lost-dutchman.com/dutchman/coretwo.html#robinson

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

Everybody realizes that the copper ore body is from about 1000 to 2000 meters below ground surface right? This has nothing to do with any supposed LDM or heart. Surface breakouts are mostly in previously established mine areas.

Real info here:Mine Plan of Operations


some pdf maps from ^:
http://49ghjw30ttw221aqro12vwhmu6s....rations-volume-one-figure-e1-vicinity-map.pdf

http://49ghjw30ttw221aqro12vwhmu6s....ecting-infrastructure-surface-disturbance.pdf



Can you show me where the ldm and heart are in relation to the mine?

 

[johnmark29020]

Everybody realizes that the copper ore body is from about 1000 to 2000 meters below ground surface right? This has nothing to do with any supposed LDM or heart. Surface breakouts are mostly in previously established mine areas.

Real info here:Mine Plan of Operations

some pdf maps from ^:
http://49ghjw30ttw221aqro12vwhmu6s.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/resolution-copper-plan-of-operations-volume-one-figure-e1-vicinity-map.pdf

http://49ghjw30ttw221aqro12vwhmu6s.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/resolution-copper-plan-of-operations-volume-one-figure-1-5-2b-connecting-infrastructure-surface-disturbance.pdf

Can you show me where the ldm and heart are in relation to the mine?

I hope they do everything as plained.
A responsible mining company that protects the surrounding and makes a profit would be nice to see.

 

[sgtfda]

Resolution Copper has option for mining the heart area

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

Hate to repeat myself

Resolution Copper has option for mining the heart area

Can you show me where the ldm and heart are in relation to the mine?

 

[sgtfda]

They are 2 different things

 

[sgtfda]

Watch Superstition Mountain when it airs in Feb and you will see it

 

[coazon de oro]

Wilderness Area rules, and regulations prohibit filming for profit. This is why The History Channel never ventures into the Superstition Wilderness with their film crew, and I doubt that they will do it in February. Neither Scott, or Resolution Copper will ever come near the LDM, or the Heart area in my honest opinion. Oh there will be many wowed by the show, but the real Dutch Hunters will know better, and note that the clues will not fit. They don't care about the truth, only about making money, and always manage to find someone willing to put on a straight face while doing this.

Homar

 

[sgtfda]

Homer there are exceptions to every rule