The Peralta Stone Maps, Real Maps to Lost Gold Mines or Cruel Hoax?

[John_Arizona]

Looks like a Pitt bull face on top of the photo

Hey Frank, Bring your gold witch to the next rendezvous at Don's Camp

 

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[Somero]

Thought you guys might want to see this one

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Just in case you decide to change the picture again.

Must be your dog Johnny, guess their right in saying they look like their owners.

 

[ConceptualizedNetherlandr]

If I knew the history here I could write a book

 

[Somero]

If I knew the history here I could write a book

Check the Rubber Room Thread

 

[Eldo]

How will it help us determine if the Stone Maps are real or a hoax?

Why like this my dear watson

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[johnmark29020]

Why like this my dear watson

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Nice

 

[Eldo]

.just another spot of thousands that the maps "fit".doesnt look like a horse head from this vantage point.. photo taken by art brown.. maybe it was more noticable when it was just a river running through there?
Panoramio - Photo of Stewart Mountain Dam

Maybe they are watching us right now and know our every move....LOL !

 

[sailaway]

This may help prove that the maps are not a hoax. pic taken from the marker in the saddle in Rogers Canyon.

I believe what we are looking at is the heart minus the m described by the stone maps. Above the minus you may be able to make out a carved priest. I need to get back in there with a much better camera. The priest carving is the M in MAPA followed by the rest of the letters, then below the heart - m is the word Coazon.

 

[sailaway]

Its was supposed to read birds,hearts. There is a large stone bird,and a couple of hearts. The bird tells the direction I think. The heart is carved below the bird. If im reading it right. It say heart. Is south. Which is one of my location.

Is this what you are reading about the Bird?

View from the Golden Heart

 

[Eldo]

I believe what we are looking at is the heart minus the m described by the stone maps. Above the minus you may be able to make out a carved priest. I need to get back in there with a much better camera. The priest carving is the M in MAPA followed by the rest of the letters, then below the heart - m is the word Coazon.

The symbols you are looking for in the area, on the Priest Stone, are staked by a person using this brand......

8 Bar n Bar P or ( 8 - n - P )

That is derived from an old Blacksmiths code for a Brand........for particular brands in the area in Arizona, I also noticed them using the Heart with the Arrow through them, the Omega, and the smaller little mark to the right of these on the Priest Stone as being all related to branding symbols from the 1800's onwards.....

this is the brand as it looks on the man's property today.

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[sailaway]

Eldo, I do not need to be told about the 8-n-P as have shown those signs in the past as being on the Marker in the Saddle for the Mina Virgon. The photo that I have shown you above was taken from that marker in Rogers Canyon (not your "Brand"). You can see the marker in Members Hunts here as Survey of Mina Virgon.

8 - n - P is not a brand but is all over and it has to do with direction of view, not some conglomerate to form a brand, but you do your research your way and see where it leads you. Have you researched the land ownership back to the Spanish land grants? I will almost bet if you do then you will find the source of your Brand on the hillside. Could even belong to Don Juan Bautista de las Casas
Just like in this photo in large white letters you may be able to read the word DON, these are also everywhere in dark and light. I see it as spelling DAN because that is my name.

So in my opinion this is a lesson in Geometry as well as in Geology. This is not limited to just the Superstitions so can be applied to New Mexico by Springfield as well as those searching the sups. I personally have applied this to other areas and came up with the same results, as ORO has seen in the thread of do the maps lead somewhere else.
Question is where do the maps lead us?

Could it be here? I call this thoughts of death and eternity, can Mankind be saved? The reason I call it this is that it seems to be a portrait of my desires.

Here you can see the destruction that mining did to the Indian ancestors monuments for the gold that was in the quartz veins. It appears though that the Indians who were forced to do mining were clever enough to carve a Spaniard on the right out of the previous Indian God and a Indian with a priest talking into his ear in the center.

Geronimo said when he saw the damage done, the Rocks told him of victory over the Mexicans if he avenged their mutilation.
Does this make you question yourself for wanting to dig up Mother Earth just for some yellow rocks?
You must ask yourself if money is worth destroying someone else s monuments. If so you might as well start in the local cemetery, you know there is gold there.
Who is going to fix this wrong? Was the death of a few Mexicans the price? Will this be a scar that is never repaid to the Indian people as a whole? This site made it so the people who protected it never got to see their home again while they were alive, and the Treasure Hunter/Miners want to re inflict those wounds. Thank God the Laws of the National Park try to keep those who would do more damage at least thinking of not going to jail. This is the same as Mount Rushmore, how would you feel if someone went there to mine it?

Some time back in another thread I posted this pic with the question of could this be Waltz's Camp site/mine

this is above and to the north-west of the larger monuments, it is the same vein of the larger mines.

 

[johnmark29020]

Is this what you are reading about the Bird?
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View from the Golden Heart

My phone isnt letting me see the pic you posted.
I found the eagles first. When I tried to lern their meaning. I found charles kenworthy explanation of them.
What he said matched what I found.
I dont know much about him,but the eagle explanation seemed right.

 

[johnmark29020]

The trick to the stone maps and most of the paper maps is simple.
They are of the mining sites themselves. I havent found one that shows the trail to the mining location
Except one that crazy jack was said to own. It takes you to the right place. However jake like many others.
Jake was trying to make it fit the sups. The map jake had starts down at hwy 60 near Florence. You do pass the weavers needle,but its far off in the distance. A new friend in az showed me the needle from hwy 60.
The direction used given by walzs are from 60 and from phoenix.
They are two sets of direction mix into one set of clues. When you have been to the right location its easy to separate the two. Almost impossible to do with visiting the site.
Waltzs ldm and the stone maps are the same place. The perfil map is also in the same place.
Hopefully some new friends of mine will help me prove it.
Heres a hint for you. Those who have been to the location. I know a few of you have been based on comments you guys have made on here. Regarding things I saw with my own eyes. The goat ranch mentioned in the ldm clues is still there. Abandoned but still standing. The goat ranch is important in finding the stone trail map.
Unfortunately there is a mining company trying to get ownership of the heart/ trail map through a land swap. If we dont prove the location first. It will become private property and off limits. They are working on getting apachie leap right now.
I could use all the help I can get.
If you are interested pm me.

 

[sailaway]

Johnmark I spent time looking your area over and found lots of signs of mining. There is a large vein that is the continuation of the same vein I am looking at in your area. It runs the north face of all the draws and Canyons south of the road.

 

[johnmark29020]

Johnmark I spent time looking your area over and found lots of signs of mining. There is a large vein that is the continuation of the same vein I am looking at in your area. It runs the north face of all the draws and Canyons south of the road.

Did you see the perfil mapa. I was taken back when I first saw it.

 

[johnmark29020]

Johnmark I spent time looking your area over and found lots of signs of mining. There is a large vein that is the continuation of the same vein I am looking at in your area. It runs the north face of all the draws and Canyons south of the road.

Yes its all connected. Waltz either stumbled into a abandoned site or he was sent. I think he was sent. There are a few things leading me to think waltz might have been a priest. Your area and mine. When I get to go back. I still want you to go with me. Ive been very sick of late as well as broke. I talked to a historian who said he would take a team from the university to help document it. But this land swap is getting in the way.
Im glad you got to see it. Pm me your number again and Ill call you tomorrow. There is some stuff I want to tell you about.

 

[johnmark29020]

The perfil map looking east up the canon. This is also the location of the heart map. Im hoping to return soon and film the entire area. Its my hope to have the entire area protected.

 

[johnmark29020]

Because your trying to give my land to the government. And as far as the tax thing I'd rather see you have it then blow another hole in the sand in a place I'd give not a damm about.

Wrmickel1

The government already owns it. They are trying to give it to resolution copper miming company.
We are trying to stop the swap,because the mining company will close it off to the public and all of the history will be lost.
Again the government is trying to give it to a private company.
We are only trying to stop the swap and keep it public.
I hope that clears things up for you.

 

[wrmickel1]

The government already owns it. They are trying to give it to resolution copper miming company.
We are trying to stop the swap,because the mining company will close it off to the public and all of the history will be lost.
Again the government is trying to give it to a private company.
We are only trying to stop the swap and keep it public.
I hope that clears things up for you.

No' it don't,
Mining pumps millions in to the local economy good for all.
Jobs,state taxes ect. Keeps AZ in the black and not in the red,
Same as oil and coal does here. North Dakota has over two billion in its reserves . If you ever been here you would see a big Hugh differents in the quality of life between the people that live there and here, Most have here and not to many have nots. You could send 5000 people here and they would all have jobs tomorrow.

So if they land swap for the good of all, Then let's do it.

Wrmickel1
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[johnmark29020]

No' it don't,
Mining pumps millions in to the local economy good for all.
Jobs,state taxes ect. Keeps AZ in the black and not in the red,
Same as oil and coal does here. North Dakota has over two billion in its reserves . If you ever been here you would see a big Hugh differents in the quality of life between the people that live there and here, Most have here and not to many have nots. You could send 5000 people here and they would all have jobs tomorrow.

So if they land swap for the good of all, Then let's do it.

Wrmickel1
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You make no sense. You jump on us.
Claiming we are giving your land to the government. When I correct you on your misunderstanding. Do you apologise. No you dont.
Instead you support the government giving the land away. The same land you didnt want the government to get their hands on.
Yes mining creates jobs. I also support that agenda,but the history of the land needs to be protected.
Both can be done. However with this governments track record. That wont happen.
The natives are unhappy about the swap because it blocks their access to important sites. How long will we take from them in the name of progress.
Its our hope to document the area through video,and pictures. That way no matter what happens. Many generations will be able to enjoy the sites.
As far as mining creating jobs. That will depend on what equipment resolution uses. As we both know the labor burden is greatly reduced these day due to modern equipment.
I have spent time there,and have spent time with the locals. I would love to see them have a chance at prosperity. They deserve it.
Still shutting the area off to public use and destroying a rich history that has and can bring in millions in tourism is wrong.
This government takes for itself and doesn't care about the people.
Especially the native people.
Resolution should get mining permits and be subject to the same rules and regulations as everyone else.
You claim to be a historian. Then you should understand our desire to see the history preserved.
Neither of us care about gold or treasure. We are only interested in the history.
Preserving it before it to late.