Video 6 - On Tumlinsons Trail : The Peralta Stone Maps

[DiggerGal]

And under microscope they were made with an electric drill with stop and start marks and the slabs show machine marks in the sanding.
In other words all scientific evidence is conclusive that they are fake. I had a feeling it was all a hoax.

Tn,

I don't think the question is about the age of the stones themselves as much as it is about the writings, the spelling and the style used. As for the age of the "Stones" themselves, I believe 1 is dated to be of over 100 years old.

 

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[RG1976]

I don't include polzer in my research because I believe he had ties to Kino and an intention to mislead. But yes - he did also say they were fake.

The group that said they were 100 years old - Redlands college (university?) - there is no professor mentioned or source - so I also don't include that research

However many do include both of the sources I mentioned.

 

[RG1976]

And under microscope they were made with an electric drill with stop and start marks and the slabs show machine marks in the sanding.
In other words all scientific evidence is conclusive that they are fake. I had a feeling it was all a hoax.

You're correct. However there are a handful of members here that will strongly disagree with that deduction.

 

[sgtfda]

The stones are not fake. The story behind them being found is. If you drop one on your foot you will feel pain. The engravings are copied off a map. A Fred Flintstone photo copy used to raise funds.

 

[Tnmountains]

You're correct. However there are a handful of members here that will strongly disagree with that deduction.

They were found on the surface I believe . The stones showed no signs of being ever exposed to the elements according to the report.
Diggergal the writing style did not match any style that should have been associated with the artifact if real.Of course people want it to be real as they have spent their life on it. Be cool if it was real.

Back in 1889 we had a stone dug here in Tennessee by the Smithsonian institute from an Indian mound. It had Hebrew writing on it of a Judean fleeing in ad70. It was called the Bat stone. It turned archeology upside down until it was proven to be faked by an archeologist back in 1889 who did not know the Cherokee syllabus so he used Judean copied from a masonic script .There are still doctors and history hunters with articles on the web about this fabulous stone and many people believe it is real today . Google Bat Creek Stone . Remember this was a Smithsonian excavation.Now this was a great fake.
Point is man has been faking these kind of things for a long time. Put it in context with a little truth and after 50 years it becomes real.
Is there gold in those mountains? You bet! Frank has proved that.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Hmm so all of the experts say they are not to a treasure/s, hmmm that means they are good, valuable, genuine

Who said they have to be of Spanish orign ? (That would ccount for the wording and spelling) Even today there are many Mecicans that speak poor Spanish.

Actually they apply to the caballo mtns, see the horses map.

What about the purchase story ? South in Mexico

OK, who has a solid lead where we can start ?

 

[RG1976]

They were found on the surface I believe . The stones showed no signs of being ever exposed to the elements according to the report.
Diggergal the writing style did not match any style that should have been associated with the artifact if real.Of course people want it to be real as they have spent their life on it. Be cool if it was real.

Back in 1889 we had a stone dug here in Tennessee by the Smithsonian institute from an Indian mound. It had Hebrew writing on it of a Judean fleeing in ad70. It was called the Bat stone. It turned archeology upside down until it was proven to be faked by an archeologist back in 1889 who did not know the Cherokee syllabus so he used Judean copied from a masonic script .There are still doctors and history hunters with articles on the web about this fabulous stone and many people believe it is real today . Google Bat Creek Stone . Remember this was a Smithsonian excavation.Now this was a great fake.
Point is man has been faking these kind of things for a long time. Put it in context with a little truth and after 50 years it becomes real.
Is there gold in those mountains? You bet! Frank has proved that.

Bat creek stone. Fascinating. Thanks for taking the time to type all that out and sharing what sounds like a similar story!

im going to go read about it now!

 

[Tnmountains]

Bat creek stone. Fascinating. Thanks for taking the time to type all that out and sharing what sounds like a similar story!

im going to go read about it now!

Welcome. We have Cherokee gold and Confederate gold all lost around here waiting to be found. We could use some stone maps!

 

[azdave35]

Bat creek stone. Fascinating. Thanks for taking the time to type all that out and sharing what sounds like a similar story!

im going to go read about it now!

i'm guessing that if you took the time to research it..you'd find at least one controversial stone carving in every state

 

[Tnmountains]

i'm guessing that if you took the time to research it..you'd find at least one controversial stone carving in every state

Probably but mix it with a good story beautiful Mountains and an area that has gold...... and your little area is now a tourist trap. Kinda like our
"See Rock City". It is a gold mine of its own.

 

[Hal Croves]

The stones are not fake. The story behind them being found is. If you drop one on your foot you will feel pain. The engravings are copied off a map. A Fred Flintstone photo copy used to raise funds.

I have to agree with you Frank. I think that the stones, at least the heart and trail stones are the real thing possibly taken from a grave. What most people don't realize is that there are several documented examples of Spanish/Mexican stone treasure maps.

The Priest & Horse stones could have been carved by Travis as you believe but, where are the original parchment/paper treasure maps, his inspiration? And if they do or did exist, then we are back to explaining their symbolism, their font style, and the spelling issues. Are these things appropriate to the year 1847? Are the two stones exact copies of the parchment/paper maps or did Travis alter things when he duplicated them in stone?



Frank, forget balloons and ideas of a Masonic conspiracy for now. Think more like a small group of men with many things in common including the Southwest, treasure hunting, old maps, and among other things, Freemasonry.

Not such a big deal when you think about it.

Tonight over Philadelphia. This poorly chosen marketing scheme is exactly the thing that fuels Masonic conspiracy theorist. I think that we are getting new currency.

 

[Azquester]

Tramp, I once reversed the stones alphanumeric gematria and it contains a hidden longitude and latitude placing them south of Douglas across the border at the site of an old Mission. I posted it once on the Old Desert USA forum. It clearly contains a hidden location possibly where they manufactured the Peralta stone maps.

Would that lead one to a hidden treasure? It's worth a look. I'll see if I can dig up my old research on it. It may be impossible I have so much I just put in storage from moving.

It gives an exact spot by numerical survey location.

I don't think it's just a coincidence they contain this hidden map coordinate.

Hmm so all of the experts say they are not to a treasure/s, hmmm that means they are good, valuable, genuine

Who said they have to be of Spanish orign ? (That would ccount for the wording and spelling) Even today there are many Mecicans that speak poor Spanish.

Actually they apply to the caballo mtns, see the horses map.

What about the purchase story ? South in Mexico

OK, who has a solid lead where we can start ?

 

[KXMember]

They were found on the surface I believe . The stones showed no signs of being ever exposed to the elements according to the report.
Diggergal the writing style did not match any style that should have been associated with the artifact if real.Of course people want it to be real as they have spent their life on it. Be cool if it was real.

Back in 1889 we had a stone dug here in Tennessee by the Smithsonian institute from an Indian mound. It had Hebrew writing on it of a Judean fleeing in ad70. It was called the Bat stone. It turned archeology upside down until it was proven to be faked by an archeologist back in 1889 who did not know the Cherokee syllabus so he used Judean copied from a masonic script .There are still doctors and history hunters with articles on the web about this fabulous stone and many people believe it is real today . Google Bat Creek Stone . Remember this was a Smithsonian excavation.Now this was a great fake.
Point is man has been faking these kind of things for a long time. Put it in context with a little truth and after 50 years it becomes real.
Is there gold in those mountains? You bet! Frank has proved that.

You really need to get your facts str8 bud.

 

[Azquester]

Priest and Horse Map Advanced Free Mason Gematria 101

I discovered some of my work on the maps I had stored on my computer. It all pertains to the Priest Map and no others.

These are just some doodles and scenarios I used for the Longitude, Latitude and came up pretty right in your face sort of stuff. Some word translation is going on here I can't recall which series this is.

I've done a lot of work on the Priest and Horse Map but this one is just an example of the time put into
finding a location we now know is in Mexico.

There is a possibility this is where the Maps were found then brought up to the gas station and sold to Travis on that fateful day.



THESE GEMATRIA TO FOLLOW WERE TAKEN FROM THE STONE MAPS BY COUNTING THE TOTAL NUMBERS OF LETTERS USED IN THE TEXT ON THE WITCH MAP.

"A"ALWAYS EQUALS 1 OR 10.


GEMATRIA VARIOUS SUMS OF LETTERS OF
LUGARES & NORMAL GEMATRIA, ODD GEMATRIA, GEMATRIA EQUALS DETERMINED BY SUBSTITUTE

L-4-12 1-A L-D-4 H-E
U-3-21 8-H U-C-3 A-A-10
G-2-7 24-X G-B-7
A-1-1 23-W A-A-1
R-3-18 16-P R-C-3
E-8-5 9-I E-H-8
S-5-19 L-12 S-E-5

SPANISH AND ROMAN NUMERAL ANAGRAMS GENERATED FROM THIRD ROW GEMATRIA DECODED:

1 8 4 7
A-1 E-8 (H-8) B-4 B-7 l-4 G-7

BIECO=LEO THE LION
44835

S-E=LASTOR BOTTOM, SOUTHEAST
DC=600 BACHE=POTHOLE
BACHE-POTHOLE
HASE=DOES
DOES DC=600 VARA SE FROM POTHOLE?
DID JACOB WALTZ TALK OF POTHOLES?

YOU BET!

STONE MAPS GEMATRIA OF TEXT CARVED WITCH SIDE ONLY:


A-10-1
B-4-2
C-3-3
D-1-4
E-8-5
F-6
G-2-7
H-8
I-1-9
J-10
K-11
L-4-12
M-1-13
N-1-14
O-5-15
P-2-16
Q-17
R-3-18
S-5-19
T-1-20
U-3-21
V-22
W-23
X-24
Y-2-25
Z-2-26


A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26
26,25,24,23,22,21,20,19,18,17,16,15,14,13,12,11,10,9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 , 1
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

OFTZIVH
BLYLB
NZKZ
XLZALM
VHGZYVIVWZ VH KVORTILAZ

2234=BBCD

FHJKVWX

DIMNTY GPZCRUBLOSES AJ

ESTABEREDA ES PELIGROZA
8511 483811 85 2841 23 511

YOBOY18 LUGARES
25425 AE 4321385

BUSCAEL MAPA
43531 84 1121

BUSCA EL COAZON
43531 84 351251

ACTUAL:

BUSCA EL MAPA COAZON YOBOY 18 LUGARES
2,21,19,3,1 5,12 13,1,16,1 3,15,1,26,15,14 25,15,2,15,25 18 12,21,7,1,18,5,19
46 17 31 74 82 9 83


ESTA BERADA ES PELIGROZA
5,19,20,1 2,5,19,1,4,1 5,19 16,5,12,9,7,18,15,26,1
45 32 24 109



45 4 45 4 2 32 4 425 5 43 5 435

WV W WV WXY W WYV V WX V WXV

HOLE CHISEL TUBE SQUARE CROSS BLESSING PRAYER WIZARD BOWL
TALADRADORA CINCEL TUBO CUADRADO CRUZ BENDICI”N REZO MAGO TAZON
1141131 1531 31184 1345 331133135 3332 481313151 3825 1125 11151

SADDLE
SILLA
51441

HORN SHAFT OPENING DOORWAY PLUG CORK NEEDLE BLUFF COFFIN GRAVE
CUERNO EJE APERTURA ENTRADA ENCHUFE CORCHO AGUJA CAMELO COFRE TUMBRA
8108


BOTTLE RABBIT
BOTELLA CONEJO

I HAD TO GO BACK AND READ THIS.
BASICALLY I USED THE REVERSE OR MIRROR IMAGE WITH RESPECT TO THE LETTERS AND NUMBERS FOR THE LETTERS.
ANAGRAMS WERE USED IN TWO LANGAUGES.

 

[DiggerGal]

You really need to get your facts str8 bud.

KX,

What "Facts" did he state? I believe he posted on opinion. Using one sentence replies doesn't add anything to a forum, especially coming from a person of your caliber that can clearly "add" knowledge to a subject base such as this one.

Tina

 

[DiggerGal]

I discovered some of my work on the maps I had stored on my computer. It all pertains to the Priest Map and no others.

These are just some doodles and scenarios I used for the Longitude, Latitude and came up pretty right in your face sort of stuff. Some word translation is going on here I can't recall which series this is.

I've done a lot of work on the Priest and Horse Map but this one is just an example of the time put into
finding a location we now know is in Mexico.

There is a possibility this is where the Maps were found then brought up to the gas station and sold to Travis on that fateful day.



THESE GEMATRIA TO FOLLOW WERE TAKEN FROM THE STONE MAPS BY COUNTING THE TOTAL NUMBERS OF LETTERS USED IN THE TEXT ON THE WITCH MAP.

"A"ALWAYS EQUALS 1 OR 10.


GEMATRIA VARIOUS SUMS OF LETTERS OF
LUGARES & NORMAL GEMATRIA, ODD GEMATRIA, GEMATRIA EQUALS DETERMINED BY SUBSTITUTE

L-4-12 1-A L-D-4 H-E
U-3-21 8-H U-C-3 A-A-10
G-2-7 24-X G-B-7
A-1-1 23-W A-A-1
R-3-18 16-P R-C-3
E-8-5 9-I E-H-8
S-5-19 L-12 S-E-5

SPANISH AND ROMAN NUMERAL ANAGRAMS GENERATED FROM THIRD ROW GEMATRIA DECODED:

1 8 4 7
A-1 E-8 (H-8) B-4 B-7 l-4 G-7

BIECO=LEO THE LION
44835

S-E=LASTOR BOTTOM, SOUTHEAST
DC=600 BACHE=POTHOLE
BACHE-POTHOLE
HASE=DOES
DOES DC=600 VARA SE FROM POTHOLE?
DID JACOB WALTZ TALK OF POTHOLES?

YOU BET!

STONEMAPS GEMATRIA OF TEXT CARVED WITCH SIDE ONLY:


A-10-1
B-4-2
C-3-3
D-1-4
E-8-5
F-6
G-2-7
H-8
I-1-9
J-10
K-11
L-4-12
M-1-13
N-1-14
O-5-15
P-2-16
Q-17
R-3-18
S-5-19
T-1-20
U-3-21
V-22
W-23
X-24
Y-2-25
Z-2-26


A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26
26,25,24,23,22,21,20,19,18,17,16,15,14,13,12,11,10,9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 , 1
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

OFTZIVH
BLYLB
NZKZ
XLZALM
VHGZYVIVWZ VH KVORTILAZ

2234=BBCD

FHJKVWX

DIMNTY GPZCRUBLOSES AJ

ESTABEREDA ES PELIGROZA
8511 483811 85 2841 23 511

YOBOY18 LUGARES
25425 AE 4321385

BUSCAEL MAPA
43531 84 1121

BUSCA EL COAZON
43531 84 351251

ACTUAL:

BUSCA EL MAPA COAZON YOBOY 18 LUGARES
2,21,19,3,1 5,12 13,1,16,1 3,15,1,26,15,14 25,15,2,15,25 18 12,21,7,1,18,5,19
46 17 31 74 82 9 83


ESTA BERADA ES PELIGROZA
5,19,20,1 2,5,19,1,4,1 5,19 16,5,12,9,7,18,15,26,1
45 32 24 109



45 4 45 4 2 32 4 425 5 43 5 435

WV W WV WXY W WYV V WX V WXV

HOLE CHISEL TUBE SQUARE CROSS BLESSING PRAYER WIZARD BOWL
TALADRADORA CINCEL TUBO CUADRADO CRUZ BENDICI”N REZO MAGO TAZON
1141131 1531 31184 1345 331133135 3332 481313151 3825 1125 11151

SADDLE
SILLA
51441

HORN SHAFT OPENING DOORWAY PLUG CORK NEEDLE BLUFF COFFIN GRAVE
CUERNO EJE APERTURA ENTRADA ENCHUFE CORCHO AGUJA CAMELO COFRE TUMBRA
8108


BOTTLE RABBIT
BOTELLA CONEJO

Bill,

I think my brain just short circuited on that post! Lol

 

[markmar]

Bill

Good work !

HOLE CHISEL TUBE SQUARE CROSS BLESSING PRAYER WIZARD BOWL

HORN SHAFT OPENING DOORWAY PLUG CORK NEEDLE BLUFF COFFIN GRAVE

You have describe the aspect of the second trap of the treasure cave and the aspect and the mechanism of the third .

 

[Tnmountains]

You really need to get your facts str8 bud.

Kx
You obviously did not read the scientific report on the stones Ryan posted. I tend to believe scientific evidence over hearsay.... bud.

 

[KXMember]

The Hebrew stones weren't fake and are found all over. That scientific report was not done on the original Peralta Stones.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Speaking of the Hebrew presence check the migration of what were to become the Aztecs One of the lost tribes.