I am beginning to believe the whole thing was just another way of "salting a mine."
The witch and horse seem to differ enough in their design and crafting to be worked out separate from the other stones. Or put aside till the others are sorted out.

I am beginning to believe the whole thing was just another way of "salting a mine."
Matthew,
That is true. I only stated that it was the original picture that Thomas received.
Take care,
Joe
cactusjumper,
Yes, you made a true and factual statement. Some people might take it to extremes though and assume they are looking at the original photo that was taken or the actual negative from that original photo. No one is trying to mislead anyone and I don't believe the photo has been changed other than to redact some background and touch up some fold lines that might be taken for carving on the stone. I do not believe anyone ever attempted to alter any of the actual carvings on the photo. Travis Tumlinson, Robert Tumlinson and Dr. Davis would not have had the technology to do that and I know Dr. Glover certainly did not.
Matthew
cactusjumper,
Yes, you made a true and factual statement. Some people might take it to extremes though and assume they are looking at the original photo that was taken or the actual negative from that original photo. No one is trying to mislead anyone and I don't believe the photo has been changed other than to redact some background and touch up some fold lines that might be taken for carving on the stone. I do not believe anyone ever attempted to alter any of the actual carvings on the photo. Travis Tumlinson, Robert Tumlinson and Dr. Davis would not have had the technology to do that and I know Dr. Glover certainly did not.
Matthew
Matthew,
I am painfully aware that my posts are often misread. I try to be precise, but often fall short.
I think this may help to explain some of those misconceptions:
"We don’t see things as they are; we see them as we are."
I believe the original writer of that phrase is anonymous, but it has been used by many authors since.
Take care,
Joe
Matthew,
I am painfully aware that my posts are often misread. I try to be precise, but often fall short.
I think this may help to explain some of those misconceptions:
"We don’t see things as they are; we see them as we are."
I believe the original writer of that phrase is anonymous, but it has been used by many authors since.
Take care,
Joe
Well said
Frank, Ryan,
Have you guys explored the old section of El Camino De Viejo that extended beyond the present day road to the west?
If I remember it has at least three more bridges not over queen creek, but you can see the point of Weavers from those bridges and they have hills to the north I believe.
Where Viejo turns and veers south towards new highway 60 it used to go straight that's where the two old bridges are on a dirt road and may have been part of the new highway at one time. It's far removed from Queen Creek but has potential worthy of being investigated further. It's very close to another treasure story location to the west I once scanned for a fellow with my Accurate Locator Runabout.
Maybe for the next Video called 120 for the heat.
Somehiker,
It sounds like you were researching the photocard which, as we now know, was created using an existing photograph. Coxco, if they could, would only be able to tell you when the photocard was ordered and or produced, not when the original photograph was taken. Unless Coxco took it, which, based on the quality, I doubt.
That blacked out area, if you adjust the contrast and shadow in preview (or similar), appears to be in shadow, perhaps something architectural.
also - this is a copy of the newspaper article that I believe a few people were after. It was found at Greg Davis'. I need to go back and get a copy of one that doesn't have "stone maps" written on the top of it - seems some text is missing.
This article speaks of Rafael Grijalba - from Altar Mexico - speaking of a curious relic, found in the Sierra Blanco Mountains of mexico.
A smooth, sqaure shape that has letters and figures on it and supposed to lead to a spanish mine.
Frank posted that article's info prior,sans clipping.(On Apr 17, 2014).
There is gold in the Grijalba family's past IF Santiago's brother was the " Rafael Grijalva - possible brother or cousin. Rafael was known Fai."
http://www.my-familyhistory.com/16422/22301.html
Matthew Roberts,Quote by somehiker : "If we had that first photo (Travis'), there might be a date stamp on the back to indicate when Travis had the photo printed on the card.
Since we do not have Travis' original photo, or the original trail stones for that matter, we have no proof as yet that any funny business was going on at that time.
What we do have is a photo of two stones on the bumper of a 1939 Olds that are different than all of the others.
Thomas Glover may know more.
Other than that, I would suggest you look for info on what Travis was up to, and where he was, in the years between 1939, when that car was brand new and Travis was 29, and the year in which Dr. Davis photographed Travis' photograph. Perhaps you will find a smoking gun somewhere in that time frame."
Regards:SH.
Here are a few things about the Tumlinson's, Dr. Gene Davis and CO Mitchell that are quite telling if you can properly interpret what transpired.
Travis Tumlinson barely knew his uncle Robert Garland Tumlinson. At about the age of 8 his uncle fled to California where he bounced from job to job and excelled at saloon drinking. He had a wife there and as many as 3 children whom he abandoned and headed to Portland Oregon in the 30's.
Travis Tumlinson married Alleen Salles in 1938 and headed to Portland Oregon. But not to be with his uncle Robert. Travis went because his cousin Joe Tumlinson had lost his job in Texas and moved there and found work.
Robert Tumlinson was the parriah of the family. He was almost 30 years older than Travis, drank heavily and constantly sponged food, money, drink and shelter. Travis had as little to do with Robert as was humanly possible.
Robert Tumlinson was sick and in terrible physical condition. He had all the skill and ability to hike the Superstition Mountains as did Adolph Ruth.
Robert Tumlinson was an opportunist who tried to cash in somehow on his grandfathers reputation and his nephews stone maps. Travis had no part whatsoever in Robert Tumlinson's schemes and tales.
It is said Gene Davis was Robert T's landlord but CO Mitchell says the relationship was much less than that. Davis did take one SHORT trip with Robert to the Superstitions but it was the first and last he cared to take and a lesson well learned. Travis Tumlinson was not a part of that trip or their partnership.
Robert Tumlinson NEVER had possession of the Stone Maps. Ever at any time.
Travis and Robert's disagreements were over money owed Travis by Robert and Robert's general antisocial behavior toward Travis and his wife Alleen.
Dr. Gene Davis barely knew Travis Tumlinson, in fact, he knew so little about him he thought Travis and Robert were brothers even though a 30 year age difference and Robert looked like an aged old man while Travis a young and fit man. CO Mitchell believed Gene Davis never met Travis Tumlinson. Gene would tell many stories, few of which added up. Most stories about Travis and Robert and Gene originate and are told solely by either Robert or Gene.
Travis Tumlinson always had possession of the Stone Maps and upon his death they seamlessly and flawlessly passed to his friend Clarence O. Mitchell.
Clarence Mitchell believes Gene Davis and Robert Tumlinson did not form a partnership and travel to the Superstitions until sometime after 1956, about the time Travis Tumlinson and Clarence Mitchell met and began making inquiries into the mountains themselves.
Matthew