Video 6 - On Tumlinsons Trail : The Peralta Stone Maps

[DiggerGal]

In Treasure Hunting there are two classes of participant.
Those who take and those who give.
There is nothing in what we do have on Travis that suggests and corroborates that he was a taker.
But he obviously didn't have "sucker" written across his forehead either.

I guess it's a matter of belief as it all comes down to circumstantial evidence. Most importantly, we don't have Travis here today to explain the who, what, where, and when. It is all speculation and the hearsay of others. Which leaves everyone with the question of what happened, where did it happen, when did it happen and who was with him? All circumstantial which is why so many different adaptations have occurred. Everyone that has touched this story has added to it, taken away from it, meshed it with something else etc. and today, in 2015, it is still not solved or treasures discovered.
As I have read in the forums, I take away that there are many DH's that have been at this Legend for decades, and many of you know each other, agree to disagree, and have made life changing relationships with one another...so with that, I truly believe that if this legend were solved, you would know about it. Within your circle, you protect one another even though you may have a difference of opinion or strategy.
I also believe that people today are better educated then back in 1939. More information is readily available for research, better tools are available for discovery, yet, the Legend remains a Legend without discovery.

 

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[somehiker]

Except when he stole a car at age 19 and burglarized someone's house in his mid-20's.

Served time in jail.

That's a taker - isn't it?

Is there a police report or court papers available for that ?
Many law breakers see the error of their ways when the get older (grow up), and become what we call model citizens.
He must have been checked out by the Hood River PD before acceptance into the force, and possibly by the FBI when he signed up for their training course as well.
So he must have had a clean record then.

 

[RG1976]

Is there a police report or court papers available for that ?
Many law breakers see the error of their ways when the get older (grow up), and become what we call model citizens.
He must have been checked out by the Hood River PD before acceptance into the force, and possibly by the FBI when he signed up for their training course as well.
So he must have had a clean record then.

I'll get that for you (and everyone else) on his arrests.

Also a I'm 95% sure he wasn't with the hood river PD but something on a much lesser scale. Like a police volunteer / low ranking parking ticket cop.

 

[azdave35]

I'll get that for you (and everyone else) on his arrests.

Also a I'm 95% sure he wasn't with the hood river PD but something on a much lesser scale. Like a police volunteer / low ranking parking ticket cop.

back in the 30's and 40's you could be a pretty corrupt person and still be a cop..they didnt have much of a way to do a background check

 

[cw0909]

I'll get that for you (and everyone else) on his arrests.

Also a I'm 95% sure he wasn't with the hood river PD but something on a much lesser scale. Like a police volunteer / low ranking parking ticket cop.

prob, Civil Defense Corps, my grandad did that in the 40s&50s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_civil_defense#World_War_II

 

[cw0909]

wish there was a better img of the stones at the flagg
i lightened it some

 

[somehiker]

Travis is one of only two uniformed officers in the graduation photo. With a third , not wearing a jacket, being the chief.
He is the focus of the photo and shown being handed his certificate. The caption describes him as being a member of the city police, not as a night watchman, but there are always people who will denigrate others accomplishments, since it makes them feel better about themselves. Although both grand theft auto, and burglary are, as far as I know, Federal offenses, and recorded by the FBI, it is possible that he wasn't vetted thoroughly. However I'm not willing to use his youthful offenses, if real, as an excuse to declare the maps as fake or part of a fraudulent scheme.

 

[azdave35]

Travis is one of only two uniformed officers in the graduation photo. With a third , not wearing a jacket, being the chief.
He is the focus of the photo and shown being handed his certificate. The caption describes him as being a member of the city police, not as a night watchman, but there are always people who will denigrate others accomplishments, since it makes them feel better about themselves. Although both grand theft auto, and burglary are, as far as I know, Federal offenses, and recorded by the FBI, it is possible that he wasn't vetted thoroughly. However I'm not willing to use his youthful offenses, if real, as an excuse to declare the maps as fake or part of a fraudulent scheme.

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some of you guys will go to any lengths to defend those stone maps...which is fine if thats what you want to believe in...but the only way you'll convince us non believers is to go dig up a treasure that the maps lead you to..and then maybe

 

[somehiker]

some of you guys will go to any lengths to defend those stone maps...which is fine if thats what you want to believe in...but the only way you'll convince us non believers is to go dig up a treasure that the maps lead you to..and then maybe

"and then maybe"

More likely never, David.
But some of them non believers might quit looking themselves.....

 

[RG1976]

Travis is one of only two uniformed officers in the graduation photo. With a third , not wearing a jacket, being the chief.
He is the focus of the photo and shown being handed his certificate. The caption describes him as being a member of the city police, not as a night watchman, but there are always people who will denigrate others accomplishments, since it makes them feel better about themselves. Although both grand theft auto, and burglary are, as far as I know, Federal offenses, and recorded by the FBI, it is possible that he wasn't vetted thoroughly. However I'm not willing to use his youthful offenses, if real, as an excuse to declare the maps as fake or part of a fraudulent scheme.

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I agree - just because he was a criminal when he was a teenager, doesn't mean he didn't change his ways when he was older. Also a criminal record doesn't make the maps a smoking gun con - but it does reflect on his character - in a very poor fashion.

As a side note - today actual police training courses are 12 weeks in the basic academy - then 2 months with their Field Training Officer - then another 16 weeks in advanced training. This is for the state of Oregon

The 5 week program, per the article SH posted, is more in line with what I read (something volunterer - even volunteer cops wear uniforms) and will get copies of. Will be tomorrow though. Headed out shortly.



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[azdave35]

"and then maybe"

More likely never, David.
But some non believers might quit looking themselves.....

i'd rather see people spending time looking for something they can really find..i know dozens of locals that have spent their entire lives trying to decode those stones..they all swear they have the stones figured out..and the funny thing is ...all of them are working in different areas..i knew a guy 20 years ago that had a pretty good argument that the maps lead to the dutchman mine...on seven springs road north of cave creek...

 

[somehiker]

Travis may not have been an officer for very long after the photo was taken. Sometimes health problems crop up suddenly, and 1956 was 5 years before he died of heart failure. Robert Schultz, one of Travis' friends who was interviewed by Peck's group, is in the line up as well. Perhaps Schultz was the fruit camp guard, and the later story tellers just got it wrong.
It's not that all of these smaller pieces really affect my own search, but rather that I like to see every bit of info brought forward and weighed.
One way or the other.

Regards:SH.

 

[UncleMatt]

I agree with azdave35. And many people seem to only want to focus on treasure legends that apply to places they can easily reach. And once they convince themselves a treasure legend is real, they don't seem to perceive or accept any evidence that might show their beliefs are false. Subsequently they waste years if not decades on things that will never pay off in the end.

 

[somehiker]

i'd rather see people spending time looking for something they can really find..i know dozens of locals that have spent their entire lives trying to decode those stones..they all swear they have the stones figured out..and the funny thing is ...all of them are working in different areas..i knew a guy 20 years ago that had a pretty good argument that the maps lead to the dutchman mine...on seven springs road north of cave creek...

That's where one's faith comes into play. A factor I believe the map maker has impressed upon those slabs of stone.
And for some, certainly what drives them on, despite the confusion and disappointments they might face along the trail.
Others have their answers, and are satisfied with their conclusions. I don't have all the answers I seek as yet, nor have I made all of my conclusions.
But I am enjoying this, as a hobby and a way to keep the light on top of my thinking cap bright.
I'm not going broke and I don't need money from anyone else. Nor have I ever asked anyone for such.
I can't see that changing, even at the end of that journey.

Regards:SH.

 

[somehiker]

I agree with azdave35. And many people seem to only want to focus on treasure legends that apply to places they can easily reach. And once they convince themselves a treasure legend is real, they don't seem to perceive or accept any evidence that might show their beliefs are false. Subsequently they waste years if not decades on things that will never pay off in the end.

Then why are you here ??
Have you got a couch I can lay on, while I tell you all about it ?

Or should that be the other way around.....

 

[DiggerGal]

That's where one's faith comes into play. A factor I believe the map maker has impressed upon those slabs of stone.
And for some, certainly what drives them on, despite the confusion and disappointments they might face along the trail.
Others have their answers, and are satisfied with their conclusions. I don't have all the answers I seek as yet, nor have I made all of my conclusions.
But I am enjoying this, as a hobby and a way to keep the light on top of my thinking cap bright.
I'm not going broke and I don't need money from anyone else. Nor have I ever asked anyone for such.
I can't see that changing, even at the end of that journey.

Regards:SH.

SH,

I admire your honesty, dedication, Faith and the willingness to see it through until the end. I hope that the treasure you seek is yours to discover.

 

[captain1965]

Nice fokes here.

 

[azdave35]

Then why are you here ??
Have you got a couch I can lay on, while I tell you all about it ?

Or should that be the other way around.....

some folks get pretty touchy over those maps.....it doesnt take much to get them worked up

 

[RG1976]

SH,

I admire your honesty, dedication, Faith and the willingness to see it through until the end. I hope that the treasure you seek is yours to discover.

I second that. SH has been really decent with his replies. Even when it may seem he has quite a few folks against him.

Not once has he lost his cool - or been disrespectful.

Thank you - SH

 

[UncleMatt]

Why am I here? This thread is about Ryan's video, not a faith circle for the Peralta Stone Maps. Have all the faith you want, but I operate from evidence. I don't see any evidence that the stone maps are anything more than a con game perpetrated on people all too willing to be convinced of their authenticity. If evidence is presented in the future that shows my conclusions are false, I will be happy to reconsider that perspective. As I am sure Ryan would reconsider his conclusions as well should such evidence come to light.