The Peralta Stone Maps, Real Maps to Lost Gold Mines or Cruel Hoax?

Do you think the Peralta stone maps are genuine, or fake?

  • They are genuine maps to the Lost Dutchman mine

    Votes: 12 9.9%

  • They are genuine maps to some lost mine, not necessarily the Dutchman

    Votes: 49 40.5%

  • They are fakes, created with the intention to fool

    Votes: 60 49.6%
  • Total voters
    121
mrs.oroblanco said:
BB,

I know you are just kicking around those "legalities", but, not only CAN we, we are still doing it!!! In a bank somewhere (or at least on paper somewhere), there are millions of dollars that we paid to indians for the Black Hills in South Dakota. The indians never agreed to the sale, nor did they ever accept the money. (not one dime).

Do the indians still own the Black Hills? Nooooooo........................ It's been in the court system since Teddy Roosevelt. (it hasn't done much, but its still an active court battle).

CJ,

You DO understand what I was saying, right???? ;D ;D ;D

B
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well if we are just dreaming about the legalities and the chances and odds of anything ever comeing of any legal matters over this site . than i can only say lets take it all the way than .

if the site was found to be a 1488 location of a missionary ,and was proven , and the owner is dead and the location is lost and than found hunderds of years latter is it like a lost old mine and dose the rights of that discovery and the value of that discover go to the finder ...?

America on sale on ebay ,, cheap, great veiw ,22,999,111 bed room ,41,756,352 bathroom , slitly used ...LOLLOLOLO+
 

HIO Beth amor, sheehs it had better be since there is no place on this earth that man hasn't trode or has a presence since when,, where would we start?

Incidentally, just what is this old doggie thingie?? You, Oro, and "Cactus spine studded" are still kiddies??

Till Eulenspiegle - Don Jose de La Mancha
 

[cactusjumper Was there some idea presented of who had missionaries in the field in 1488? Did I just miss that? Joe
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Nah, apparently just a hypothetical statement.


Til Eulenspeigle Don Jose de La Mancha
 

Bieng so new, I am a little hesitant to add any input to this discussion but a this point I would almost pay to see some of these pictures.
 

T.T.,

Aren't they all "hypothetical"?

Bill,

Welcome to the LDM fray......

We would all love to see bowman's pictures. He has posted a few.....but they were so poor, you could not make out any detail. His pictures of the "markings" were interesting, but less then impressive. For someone who is supposed to be "artistic", another replacement "gift" is hopefully waiting for an opportune time to manifest itself. ::)

On the other hand, maybe it's like Picasso, and I just don't get the picture. ???

Joe Ribaudo
 

=cactusjumper T.T.,Aren't they all "hypothetical"? Bill,
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Nah, mine aren't, just facts man, but modiied slighty in order for you to earn the LDM. You wouldn't appreciate it if I simply told you precisely where it is.

snicker
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Welcome to the LDM fray...... BILL
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Bill welcome and put in your 20 cents worth. Since THEY haven't found it, and only I and BB know where it is, your iriput is just a valuable - possibly more - and as welcmoe as any of ours.
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We would all love to see bowman's pictures.

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sniff, you never asked for rmine snifff.
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On the other hand, maybe it's like Picasso, and I just don't get the picture. ???Joe Ribaudo
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I just don't apprciate them frankly.


Don Jose de La Mancha Till Eulenspiegle
 

Ok,ok maybe asking to see pictures was a little extreme, but i'm new.

What kind of pictures would I get for that $50.00?
 

i have had rough day my druck was in the shop and i had to waith 4 hours . but i get home 20 miles and the women need calery , all tthe back to town for calery ,,, than i get home and read this . what is the world comeing to give me a picture of draft lol
 

There has been a lot of talk about "Spanish" arrastras here and on other forums.

Something to keep in mind if you find an arrastra in Arizona, is that it is most likely of Anglo origin. Almost every small mine operation in Arizona used a Spanish/Phoenician style arrastra and sometimes......many. They were all over the place and the remnants can still be found today.

One that comes to mind, is located on the edge of the Superstitions. It is believed to be Spanish, but it's more likely that it was used for a small, nearby.....well known mine. There is nothing about it that stamps it (positively) as Mexican or Spanish. It's really just someone's wishing, with small odds it is so.

Joe Ribaudo
 

Since the Stone Maps are, by far, the most popular topic here and one of the threads has been locked, perhaps Roy's topic needs to be resurrected.

Joe Ribaudo
 

I have no problem with that, and I do try to hear out any and all theories whether I agree with them or not. Fire away amigos!
Roy ~ Oroblanco
 

Blindbowman wrote
good timeing change the subject ....i got some new clues this morning ..lol
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Hola amigo - would you care to share those new clues, or are they something not in general circulation? Thank you in advance, or if you don't wish to share them thanks anyway.
Oroblanco

:coffee2: :coffee: :coffee2:
 

Blindbowman said:
did you look at the dager handle and see the D it points to the line that runs across the top of the stone back to the R

put them together you have DR tracking http://www.columbusnavigation.com/dr.shtml

now put the back where they were , now with the stones in the right order ,, ho thats right ,, you guys are still working that wheat chaff sh** and doing what CJ wants you to .. try to under stand what i am saying ... i will be more then glad to walk around anyone that dose not want to try to under stand me .

flip the stones on their backs .. see it ..?
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First part, interesting amigo.

Next; "working that wheat from the chaff" is an absolutely vital step to have ANY chance of ever locating the Lost Dutchman gold mine, for there is a great deal of CHAFF in circulation, and is a big part of the reason why so many thousands of people have searched for over a century for this fabulous mine, without finding it. It would be a massive waste of time to try using the false clues and information to find the mine, and time is one commodity that few of us can spare. If you are convinced that everyone here is dancing to Cactusjumper's tune, you have not noticed the numerous disagreements that I have with him, including this very evening.

And next; amigo I have been trying to understand you for years now.

Blindbowman said:
by the way you owe me a apology ...
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What ever I said that may have caused you any offence, you have my apologies; no offence was ever intended. :thumbsup: You should know me well enough by now, to know that if I really wished to insult or offend you (or anyone else) it would not be couched in terms that would be hard to understand - it would be very straightforward. Life is just too short to try to be subtle about such things. Besides, what reason would I have to be angry with you, that would call for a personal attack? You have never done me any harm, and I believe that I have not done you any harm. Unlike Santa Fe NM <who had a jag of calling me names the other night>, I have not seen you call me any names. I am not even trying to steal your location of Tayopa - we have our own gold mine, though it is in California, I am not interested in "claim jumping" someone else's site where they believe a gold mine is hidden. There is no honor in claim jumping amigo, and yes I am a bit "old school" about things like that but you may have noticed that several others here feel very much the same way. I suspect that you are of the same opinion about claim jumping - you would not rush to Arizona to try to jump someone else's claim either.

your friend in 'Dakota Territory'
Roy ~ Oroblanco
 

No miner will find my mine. The old military trail runs clear past Apache Junction and beyond; it is Spanish in origin. You can see it from the position of the now buried funnel, as one stands on top of it. Waltz himself said that him and Wiser murdered two young Mexican boys who were busy working the mine in that area. It belonged to their fathers.

There is a hat shaped peak near it and visible as well, but one is mistaken in assuming that the needle Weaver attached is name to has anything to do with it. Your taking paper pictures literally instead of by reference. It was in an area that was swarming with Apache and the camps where they used to dry fish.

Did I hear someone mention chaff? Your forgetting some important base facts as above; the trail leads to the Salt guys, and crosses near Black Mnt.; lets see, 3 days ride towards the rising sun from Hieroglyphic Canyon. I would start with the Witches Equinox of May first and make adjustments from there.
 

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