The Peralta Stone Maps, Real Maps to Lost Gold Mines or Cruel Hoax?

[gollum]

HAH! ALL NATURAL!

I said that intentionally to see if I could get you to post some monuments! The pic is a little washed out, but is that a cross on the mountain I see?

If it is, it's like this natural cross near the Virgin de Guadalupe Mine (Tumacacori):

See, I know what is natural, and what is not (mostly). It also could have been mostly natural, but "developed" by the Spanish, to show what they wanted, or it could have been completely made by the Spanish.

Best,

Mike

 

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[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI Gollum: that picture is a good demonstration of what I have been saying about pictures. If you are not at the actual location, You can only go by the published picture, which may gve an impression far different from the actual.

In this picture it is just a pod hanging down fom the tree in the foreground. You can trace from the branch (B) to the connection (R)down to the pod (B) and then see it's shadow (T) on the cliff.

For those that post pictures, keep this in mind.

Tropical Tramp

 

[Oroblanco]

Greetings,
Mike (Gollum) wrote:
Castillian would have been the primary language for either Jesuits or a wealthy mining family of Sonora (peraltas).

I would wish to add to this that many of the Jesuit priests assigned to Pimeria Alta (and numerous other missions in Mexico for that matter) were German, and used their native tongue quite a bit, except all official correspondence should have been in Spanish. It would not be surprising to have a Jesuit priest make an error or two in writing something in Spanish.

This begs the question (as do so many things where these Peralta stones are concerned) then if these stones were made by Jesuits (one theory) that would explain the obvious errors - however if it were indeed Jesuits, they were breaking the law to be mining, so would not have reason to be making inscriptions in Spanish - they would be more likely to make symbols in either German or Latin. Latin is close to Spanish, close enough that a Jesuit trying to hide something might well choose NOT to use Latin.

Demon wrote:
i would assume this is bogus set of maps just my thought ty demon

I am in agreement, the set is bogus - however the 'heart' stone does not appear to be of the same age, it may well be genuine but not related to the other stones. Of the stones, this one holds the greatest promise in my opinion, and requires a 'key' to be able to use it - a key which is not to be found in the other (bogus) stones. Of course it cannot be proven the stones are frauds, and they will continue to tantalize and tease treasure hunters for years to come, which is almost certainly the true purpose of the making of them.

Oroblanco

 

[gollum]

Oro,

A lot of the later Jesuit Priests were born in Mexico. But, as you said most of the earlier ones were not Spanish. Even Kino was born in the Tyrolian Alps, and spent a lot of his earlier years in Germany. A great mathematician.

If it were a European Jesuit, he most likely would have learned Castillian, not Mexican (back then Mexican was to the Spanish as American is to the English).

Best,

Mike

 

[gollum]

Sorry Jose,

Almost forgot you. Better photography would have shown that. Like I said, your pic is pretty washed out, but you are correct. After you said that, I could see the other pods in the picture.

In mine, there's nothing obstructing the view!

Best,

Mike

 

[Springfield]

This thread on another forum may be of interest:

http://p073.ezboard.com/fancientlosttreasuresfrm26.showMessage?topicID=15.topic

 

[the blindbowman]

not only are they real they point out 18 locateions 3 of wish are the tayopa mine the jesuit chruch site and the lost dutchman mine , how do i know i found these 3 sites already and i have already requested treasure trove permits for these 3 sites .. and yes i can prove it ! the stones IMHO were made by Eusebio Francisco Kino as was the stones the peralta -ruth or peralta -gonzales maps wish ever you perfer ....why did Kino never reply to the loss of these mines , he had sent 8 or 9 of his most valued priest to these sites just before the Apache killed them as well as the spanish that had put them in the mines behind the iron door in the tunnle ....he felt quilt from sending them to their deaths .. he in fact caused the deaths ....by hideing gold and silver made into beels from the spanish ... and the list ot tayopa treasure add the weight of those bells as gold and silver , because thats what they are made of ....

remeber my name i am the blindbowman .

did you ever wonder why there was no bodies found at the massacre site , the tayopa legend said they removed the bodies and put them in the tunnle . why not put them back in the mine they put the indains in .....?let their bodies rot in hell .... if i was one of those indains i could do that just for the hell of it ! LOL ...

on octber 27th of this year i located the house in the cave and IMHO it was in fact a old jesuit chruch ....

i have ask the us goverment to step in and recover these treasure troves and historical mines ...

so yes the stone are real because they do in fact point out real locations ...i know i found 3 of the sites my self ...

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Morning Bowman, fascinaitng , can you post more?

Tropical Tramp

 

[gollum]

Maybe you should call the BlindBowman by his real name: Bill Riley. or would you prefer Ronnie Kelso, Wyatt, Wyatt Westwood, Jan, Heidi, BlackBeard, bill711, JoeRibaudo, Legend Hunter, or another of the many I have left out?

Best,

Mike

 

[the blindbowman]

how about call me by my real name Sir Robert William Lawton .....i have nothing to hide from anyone .... i was Quater Master for the flag ship of the 6th and 7th fleets ffg-3 , navagationial speacial ops ~! ya i found the tayopa and the dutchman , what about it ! i live in upstate newyork ,, any yes i have a on going request for the treasure troves to clam those 3 sites .. ! what did you want to know ?

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI, simple , WHERE IS TAYOPA?

Tropical Tramp

 

[Oroblanco]

Hello friends,
Blindbowman wrote: i found these 3 sites already

I just posted a reply to a similar post in another thread here, some extraordinary claims Blindbowman, some of which would be easy to prove, some not so easy. I look forward to your replies.
Oroblanco

 

[gollum]

Jose,

Here is where he says Tayopa is:

not only are they real they point out 18 locateions 3 of wish are the tayopa mine the jesuit chruch site and the lost dutchman mine , how do i know i found these 3 sites already and i have already requested treasure trove permits for these 3 sites .. and yes i can prove it ! the stones IMHO were made by Eusebio Francisco Kino as was the stones the peralta -ruth or peralta -gonzales maps wish ever you perfer ....why did Kino never reply to the loss of these mines , he had sent 8 or 9 of his most valued priest to these sites just before the Apache killed them as well as the spanish that had put them in the mines behind the iron door in the tunnle ....he felt quilt from sending them to their deaths .. he in fact caused the deaths ....by hideing gold and silver made into beels from the spanish ... and the list ot tayopa treasure add the weight of those bells as gold and silver , because thats what they are made of ....

So, I guess you are all wrong Jose! Tayopa is in the Superstition Mountains! Just think, all those years of research aqnd work for nothing!

Mike

 

[the blindbowman]

please do not confuse me with the fools . i went around the earth 3 times before i was 21 years of age as a speacial ops QM in the us Navy ... i can shot sun lines and dr track multi tragets on multi charts at the same time track weather ops ...

as i stated the LDM is what i saw in 1979 and i worked from that site to find the other two and yes i did in fact find the Tayopa is the tunnle on the peralta ruth map ...when these sites go public the will recover the 4 bells and they will be made of gold and silver .....

so far it has been anything but easy to prove . the tonto nationial forst act like they dont want them found, and two days after i gave my locations to them Mccain runs for office ....

the locations are now being sent to the District Ranger Art Wirtz to check these locations to see if they are treasure trove locations or show any sign of human contact ....when he finds any human contact than he reports it to the office and they give out the permits ... as a matter of record all request are handled in numeberd order and no one can clam these 3 sites untill my request is disproved or aproved ....

i know goverment red tape !

but this is what is needed to clam these sites legally and anything less is nothing to me ...
yes i can out right prove these are the 3 sites ...!

Kino founded the sites from the indains and it back fired . it got 8 or 9 priest killed and hunderds of spanards and hunderds of indains in the mines if not thousands . and kino was the cause of this . he felt so much quilt he never went back ......

if you look back at Kino's history you will find that southern Az was part of mexico at the time and Kino was the leader of the jesuits at the time ... he and he alone had the skills to make these types of maps . the letter binary codes are very complex codes and few had the wisdom to even under stand them when explaned frist hand to them ...

the word ma and pa , stands for mary and tayopa the letter head stands for a chrcuh on the left side and two mines on the right side of a northern trail ....

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

hi my fiend Bowmn: All I can say is congratulations, I guess I will have to fall back on my Escondida mine, I have just received the State's evaluation of it. I will post their official results for ORO, Gallum, Bart, and my other friends. I think that I can scratch out a living, with care, maybe even enough to go to the Superstitions.

Please keep me advised of your progress, I am quite interested.

p.s. I was a swabbie once also.

Tropical Tramp

 

[the blindbowman]

i am a copper head , indain dutch english . my great great grandmother was a mohawk witch or shamen ....i am a touchnull shamen one of the rereist of kind , yes if i pick up a object and hold it in my hand i can see vissions of its past , i see them, i smell them, i taste them , and anyone or anything that has come in contact with the object in its past persents or future ...a see'er

ssssshhhhhamen

you have seen nothing yet .....lol

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI: That is not a too uncomon ability. keep practicing it. Me?? Irish French Injun (Mohican), Scot, Welsh, and about 57 other varieties. I prefer to think that they were very selective and took the best out of each for me. heheh.

Tropical Tramp

 

[the blindbowman]

chiffs can not look me eye to eye because they know i can look threw their sprits like the water and the wind ... when i was a 7 i had a pet copper head snake i kept it around my neck for days before my father saw it and killed it .yes i hear the death in the tunnle and the cries for mercy when there was none ......

when i was in the mts .my feet would steam with the touch of ever step on ground soaked with sin and evil . yet i am recovering and soon i will retrun again to the mts ... they can not hide them from me .....

i hope you all know and under stand what the cost of finding these sites has cost me ...

i can see the old ones and call them at will but with them comes the pain and cryies for mercy and the death of thousands with out age or names .....yet i know each had them once apone a time ...

as i look into time and space to see the tayopa tunnle i see a group of priest standing in the tunnle faceing the opening that has been walled up and coverd over and they wisper in latin as they pray the words call my heart and i under stand them . they call out for mercy and help to free their souls . and the hunderds of spanish rest on one knee behind them with their heads faceing down ward in shame for what they have done in their past . yet beyond them is a iron door locked and strong . the last hands that touched it were indain when the locked the bodyies of the dead priest and spanish in the tunnle like they did to their people when the mines were being worked ...

god was kind ffor the old and young . but for many there was no mercy . and the pile of indain bodyies is still fresh to me ...not bones like you would see .....

i see their faces and look into their eyes ...those that can face me eye to eye are for the most part indain ...

gold and silver yes there is gold and silver and wealth if thats what you call it ...

the 3 richest mines of the world are there what are they . gold and silver and souls ...

 

[the blindbowman]

first off they call me the blindbowman for a reason . i was blinded for 3 months in not 1999 augest 10th ,part of a compound bow broke got stuck in the string and came back and struck me at over 200 fps blinding me with nerve damge to the brain . i spent 3 years learning to talk and walk again , yes my spelling and grammer is not good so what i feel its nothing next to what i have been threw ! ...and as i stated if you dont not clam the sites with out a treasure trove permit you can be put in jail for as much as 15 years for moveing treasure trove objects without the permits and than it has to be done the way they state ... after all is done i should get between 10-20 % legally and be recorded as the one who found them as a matter of history ...if you were to move anything the value is next to nothing compaired to what it is worth if found on location legally ...and all other data recoverd by legally got treasures is not comprimised...t6hus any of the maps still in the tunnle that do lead to other treasures of the jesuits i can show common link and clam them as well in cort !

 

[the blindbowman]

ps were talking about the y in the old miltary trail but one had been closed by the spanish because it was to close to the indains secred place and they kept killing anyone that got to close .. lol is that the trick you were talking about . ya i know where it is at and why !