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It is an interesting discussion. I appreciate all points of view. I don't dismiss your points. They are well made. And; I think you guys shouldn't dismiss first hand testimony from those who witnessed the Tumlinson era history of the stones. It has much to tell you. There is more than just one account.
Those accounts have been freely shared with you. Not my place to rehash it. It was only removed when the discussion got so ugly with accusations against innocents folks whose moral character was questioned and mocked. Including hounding Priests, telling witnesses they are motived by greed and even saying fathers didn't/couldn't have fathered children due to age. Grown adults had to verify their birthday to strangers to be considered reliable. That surely they are mistaken because trusted folks know better from afar. How crass is that? And you're bothered because your post of such were deleted
Come on. You see why these folks may be somewhat leery of interest seekers? These are real people with fond memories from their childhood. This is their kin or their neighbor, they share a kindred spirit with those who went before them. They hold those memories dear.
You don't have to accept all of it as absolute gospel but with the large and diverse group of people who viewed "the stones" and give a different description of their make up, it ought to give you pause. Heck; just from these accounts there is evidence of at least five different sets. One set couldn't have been in multiple places across the country at the SAME time. I'm not a stone carver, I can't tell you how. I can only tell you it happened.
And before attributing fraudulent motive to Travis, consider what you know. Other than unsubstantiated backroom gossip there isn't one shred of evidence Travis ever tried to financially benefit from his creations. Not one. You got it, bring it. On the contrary, what we know is that at each juncture it was Travis' money on the line financing the search. He asked for help in the form of guides and later when his health failed for physical labor help, not for money.
So you ask "why did he do it". The only answer I can give you is because he could. I've told you I believe he was a man obsessed. He was obsessed with finding the meaning of the material his grandfather left behind. Whenever this comes up I picture Richard Dreyfuss in Close Encounters of the Third Kind making a rendition of Devils Tower in his mashed potatoes. Its the same kind of obsession and Travis felt it (IMO) up to his death bed.
Attached is a video I have been authorized to share with you. No advertising, no ulterior motive, just for your viewing pleasure. Enjoy. Please note the pock marks on the chimney. Similar? Also the rock wall carvings which extend for at least 1/4 mile. These carvings span at least a 100 years with different carvers. Rock carving was a Stockdale tradition and still is today. Similar color and style? Notice the stone color, shape, and texture at frame minute 1:14. And; for those of you who don't think Travis was a "real" police officer please take note of the final photograph which was taken just prior to his death. Understanding comes with context..... We strive to correct the context and from it get understanding.
Those accounts have been freely shared with you. Not my place to rehash it. It was only removed when the discussion got so ugly with accusations against innocents folks whose moral character was questioned and mocked. Including hounding Priests, telling witnesses they are motived by greed and even saying fathers didn't/couldn't have fathered children due to age. Grown adults had to verify their birthday to strangers to be considered reliable. That surely they are mistaken because trusted folks know better from afar. How crass is that? And you're bothered because your post of such were deleted
Come on. You see why these folks may be somewhat leery of interest seekers? These are real people with fond memories from their childhood. This is their kin or their neighbor, they share a kindred spirit with those who went before them. They hold those memories dear. You don't have to accept all of it as absolute gospel but with the large and diverse group of people who viewed "the stones" and give a different description of their make up, it ought to give you pause. Heck; just from these accounts there is evidence of at least five different sets. One set couldn't have been in multiple places across the country at the SAME time. I'm not a stone carver, I can't tell you how. I can only tell you it happened.
And before attributing fraudulent motive to Travis, consider what you know. Other than unsubstantiated backroom gossip there isn't one shred of evidence Travis ever tried to financially benefit from his creations. Not one. You got it, bring it. On the contrary, what we know is that at each juncture it was Travis' money on the line financing the search. He asked for help in the form of guides and later when his health failed for physical labor help, not for money.
So you ask "why did he do it". The only answer I can give you is because he could. I've told you I believe he was a man obsessed. He was obsessed with finding the meaning of the material his grandfather left behind. Whenever this comes up I picture Richard Dreyfuss in Close Encounters of the Third Kind making a rendition of Devils Tower in his mashed potatoes. Its the same kind of obsession and Travis felt it (IMO) up to his death bed.
Attached is a video I have been authorized to share with you. No advertising, no ulterior motive, just for your viewing pleasure. Enjoy. Please note the pock marks on the chimney. Similar? Also the rock wall carvings which extend for at least 1/4 mile. These carvings span at least a 100 years with different carvers. Rock carving was a Stockdale tradition and still is today. Similar color and style? Notice the stone color, shape, and texture at frame minute 1:14. And; for those of you who don't think Travis was a "real" police officer please take note of the final photograph which was taken just prior to his death. Understanding comes with context..... We strive to correct the context and from it get understanding.
....if you want anyone to believe you found anything with those silly rock maps you will have to bring proof to the rendezvous..anyone can paint boards gold and try to pass them off as gold bars...if those bars were real you would be in a federal prison right now...the feds monitor this site and if they thought those were anything but painted boards you would be typing from a prison cell...i'm sure they got a good laugh though...matter of fact you are probably the funniest guy on here...thanks for the entertainment
