Pirate Chest: When to give up

[Bigdogdad]

You know... I just thought of something. If you know these remote viewers (or whatever they do) ... why not have them demonstrate their abilities and receive the $1,000,000.00 prize from the James Randi foundation?? Even a small cut of that would be worth more than any treasure. So far nobody has claimed this prize which seems astonishing considering how many dowsers, psychics, and remote viewers are out there... that would be a significant treasure and an event definitely worthy of a film. If they have these abilities they'd be dumb not to demonstrate for $1,000,000.00 prize ... right... I mean what treasure hunter would pass on a free $1,000,000.00.

I had/have plans of using kids to pass the "Amazing Randi's" tests. You can ask all the others why they don't try to do it. I don't really think anyone would be allowed to pass it. Last I checked it was well over a million. vor-It is 2 am in Florida, still waiting.

 

Amazon Forum Fav 👍

How to Research for Treasure Hunting and Metal Detecting From Lead Generation to Vetting - Grab it through Amazon!

[Bigdogdad]

Obviously the Nokia is the best......if you are looking for test targets.

I woke up bright and early this morning as I was excited to turn on my computer so vor could tell me what detector to use. I spent almost all night trying to find the Nokia that he said is best but all I could find were the same Nokta detectors that he likes to make fun of. He made fun of them on other threads in the past and I asked way back then what detector to use and he ignored my questions as he and ECS have a habit of doing. vor-Still waiting.

 

[flgliderpilot]

I had/have plans of using kids to pass the "Amazing Randi's" tests. You can ask all the others why they don't try to do it. I don't really think anyone would be allowed to pass it.

Hmm I dunno maybe. I just watched one of his tests and it seemed pretty fair, but anything is possible.
.

 

[Salvor6]

VOR has no idea what metal detector to use. I don't think he owns one.

 

[Bigdogdad]

Hmm I dunno maybe. I just watched one of his tests and it seemed pretty fair, but anything is possible.
.

Part of the "trick" to getting a dowser to pass a test is to not let them know they are being tested. I have seen it work many times. With the "Randi" test they would know they were being tested. A long time ago when my wife and I used to sell puppies we had a lot of families with small children come to visit. I would take them out in my yard where I had known buried objects (I buried them) such as wires and pipes and show the kids how to use the rods. They almost always were able to find the wires with near 100% accuracy. The only ones that it never worked for were smartass little boys, kind of like the naysayers on here that are now "grown" up.

I am confident that I could use a group of positive thinking kids to pass the test with the money going to their school or some other good cause. I had planned on making an episode on my treasure show about it. Maybe some day.

 

[Bigdogdad]

VOR has no idea what metal detector to use. I don't think he owns one.

I think the saying is "All hat and no cattle".

 

[flgliderpilot]

I think the saying is "All hat and no cattle".

Thats a new one on me living in the city haha, I like it.

 

[lastleg]

flglidepilot, have you ever wondered whether "remote sensor guys" could tell you where every
jewelry store was in your city without them knowing the addresses? Surely there's enough gold
and silver in jewelry stores to set off their LRL's. Better than that ask a "remote" guy to come to
your home and see if he can sit in your favorite easy chair and identify every coin store/jewelry
in the city. He will probably hmm and haw and tell you some fib like the target has to be buried
for him to locate it. Why does it have to be buried?

Then ask him to show you a picture of a gold bar or sack of silver coins he himself has found. He'll
squirm around and say you don't understand dowsing. These folks aren't like you or us. They have
found out cache hunting is work and rarely successful. That is unacceptable to the LRL community.
They prefer to turn out worthless gadgets that the gullible think will make them famous.

There's a good reason Marc put a warning label on the LRL Forum.

 

[Bigdogdad]

flglidepilot, have you ever wondered whether "remote sensor guys" could tell you where every
jewelry store was in your city without them knowing the addresses? Surely there's enough gold
and silver in jewelry stores to set off their LRL's. Better than that ask a "remote" guy to come to
your home and see if he can sit in your favorite easy chair and identify every coin store/jewelry
in the city. He will probably hmm and haw and tell you some fib like the target has to be buried
for him to locate it. Why does it have to be buried?

Then ask him to show you a picture of a gold bar or sack of silver coins he himself has found. He'll
squirm around and say you don't understand dowsing. These folks aren't like you or us. They have
found out cache hunting is work and rarely successful. That is unacceptable to the LRL community.
They prefer to turn out worthless gadgets that the gullible think will make them famous.

There's a good reason Marc put a warning label on the LRL Forum.

Did you actually read Marc's story and if so do you believe it? It is because of his story that he founded Treasurenet.

lastleg-Do you have any first-hand experience with LRL's or remote viewers or dowsers. How much time have you actually spent trying to determine whether any of it can work? Have you ever talked to or spent time with any plumbers or other professionals that use dowsing on a regular basis? I doubt that you have done any of this. Until you do you should quit talking about something you probably know very little about. You may get "likes" from ECS but the rest of us believers know better.

Being able to do some dowsing, remote viewing or any other form of ESP does not guarantee you will find gold. It is only a part of what it takes. There are people on TNET that list having just about every conventional metal detector known to man and I am willing to bet that only a very minute amount of them have ever found a cache of gold. Does that mean the unsuccessful ones metal detectors don't work? The bottom line is you have to dig deep enough in EXACTLY the right spot to find treasure. It is not as easy as some make it out to be.

If there is anybody on here reading this that has been very successful in finding treasure caches I doubt they would come on here and admit it. With that in mind how would you even be able to tell how well any one persons method of treasure hunting works?

I don't want this thread to become an endless argument about dowsing and LRL's. The believers KNOW it can work because they have seen it first-hand. The non-believers "know" it can't work because they were told or read something on the Internet that said it does not work. They did not find out one way or another by actually doing their own testing and working with a competent dowser/remote viewer/etc because if they had they would probably become believers themselves. If anyone reading this has done testing of their own with different people and methods and has proven it does not work, please let us know how you accomplished this.

 

[lastleg]

flgliderpilot, like I was saying, have you ever wondered why the LRL/Dowsing community
cannot demonstrate their uncanny ability to sniff out precious metals in a city with Pawn
shops, jewelry stores and coin stores around but can tell you within a league or two where
the king's ransom lies awaiting your efforts to dislodge it from the earth?

A reasonable person might speculate why the pendulum toters don't just drag a shovel out
and prove their claims. But usually they say "I aint got time to dig it today but c'mon I'll
show you another place where aliens left their diamonds and rubies before they went back
to Pluto. After that I'll show you where the British army buried the King's royal treasury
before they went back to ole England."

After all these sure fire "hidden" treasure spots were bequeathed to him the excited gyro
has to decide which one to get first. Its like Christmas in July before one by one the
roman candles sputter out to a fizzle. Y'see after wearing out body and soul digging,
digging and more digging nothing but dirt and clay the tuckered pilgrim says to himself
"I didn't go deep enough" even though the deep dark chasm he dug grins back at him
and replies "No more, no more, let me be".

Anyway flgliderpilot, I hope you get my drift.

 

[ARC]

I do not believe I can recall a single "verified" find from dowsing... no offense.

Big dog...
Buy a used Pulse 8x with the 4 foot skid.
And be done with the guessing...
You can pull it across anything and it will penetrate 6-8 feet no problem.
If you drag across metal it WILL tell you.
Period...
No "ifs" "ands" or "buts".

I know an older gentleman who is selling one...
Talked with him on the phone...
He is up north presently but will be back in Florida by summers end.

 

[Bigdogdad]

I do not believe I can recall a single "verified" find from dowsing... no offense.

Big dog...
Buy a used Pulse 8x with the 4 foot skid.
And be done with the guessing...
You can pull it across anything and it will penetrate 6-8 feet no problem.
If you drag across metal it WILL tell you.
Period...
No "ifs" "ands" or "buts".

I know an older gentleman who is selling one...
Talked with him on the phone...
He is up north presently but will be back in Florida by summers end.

Go to the dowsing forum and read all the old posts of people finding stuff right where the dowsers said it was. Not hard to find the info if you bother to look.

Why is he selling it? If his TNET name is old man I have his unit in my van. These detectors will locate metal that is for sure. Will it tell you the depth or what it is? I don't think so. You will find yourself digging a lot of junk filled holes, no ifs ands or buts. Done there, been that. Thanks for the advice, I am already taking it as evidenced by the Pulse Star sitting in my van. I also have 5 other detectors and 6 different probes. Show me where the gold is and let's dig it up.

 

[Limitool]

BDD.... First off before I go any further PLEASE do not think I am "attacking" YOU and/or your beliefs, or your postings at all. This IS NOT my intent what-so-ever guy. I seek to understand your thinking, thought process and experience on what I am inquiring. And/or I am asking for examples of support of them.

Obviously from your postings Tim you rely some upon "remote sensors" & "dowsers". Again... I'm NOT attacking but seeking to understand guy as I admit I am native upon the "remote sensor" route. I did watch my grandfather dowse as a child and again a guy from the power company (last year) trying to help me locate something for me. Last year I wanted to know which side of a power pole my water and power line laid. Both were in the same ditch as I did it myself but couldn't remember. He followed the "lines" but couldn't tell me which side of the pole they laid.

1. In laymen's terms (short version) what is a "remote sensor"? 2. Why do you use/rely/trust them? 3. Do YOU have any evidence that ANYONE has found ANYTHING solely from their (remote sensor's) knowledge alone? 4. Have you any first hand knowledge of anyone finding anything of wealth from dowsing? If you do decide to address 1-4 separately I would be highly interested and intrigued to hear.

I guess I'm just curious in your learned/trained though of exploring and what example's you draw from Tim. Believe me guy.... I WISH YOU AND ALL the best in any means you use to find a cache no matter where it's at or how you find it. With that said we need not (none of us) to say anything remotely that diminishes somebody's found cache unless it's obvious that it is ill gotten.

Later, Brad

 

[Bigdogdad]

flgliderpilot, like I was saying, have you ever wondered why the LRL/Dowsing community
cannot demonstrate their uncanny ability to sniff out precious metals in a city with Pawn
shops, jewelry stores and coin stores around but can tell you within a league or two where
the king's ransom lies awaiting your efforts to dislodge it from the earth?

A reasonable person might speculate why the pendulum toters don't just drag a shovel out
and prove their claims. But usually they say "I aint got time to dig it today but c'mon I'll
show you another place where aliens left their diamonds and rubies before they went back
to Pluto. After that I'll show you where the British army buried the King's royal treasury
before they went back to ole England."

After all these sure fire "hidden" treasure spots were bequeathed to him the excited gyro
has to decide which one to get first. Its like Christmas in July before one by one the
roman candles sputter out to a fizzle. Y'see after wearing out body and soul digging,
digging and more digging nothing but dirt and clay the tuckered pilgrim says to himself
"I didn't go deep enough" even though the deep dark chasm he dug grins back at him
and replies "No more, no more, let me be".

Anyway flgliderpilot, I hope you get my drift.

A real cutesy wutesy story. Thanks for sharing. It is funny how 99% of you all will tell people the same thing. Out of one side of your mouth you say "if you ever find anything don't tell a soul", and then out of the other side of your mouth you say none of the dowsers ever show proof or pictures of their finds. Don't you see the irony of this?

I challenge ECS, vor, lastleg, ARRC, BCH, or anybody else to try a simple test. You can do this in the comfort of your chair while sitting in the A/C.

Go to the yellow pages of the phone book or on the computer and look up the phone numbers of at least five plumbing contractors.

Call each of them up and ask to speak to the owner or manager.

Then without using the words dowsing, divining, remote sensing/viewing, etc ask them if there is anyone that works there that uses bent clothes hangars or welding rods to consistently find the exact location of hidden pipes or wires as part of their job.

Do this in a non-confrontational way and try not to be offensive or irritating.

Ask them if they believe this works.

Report back here as to EXACTLY what they told you.

If you are not willing to do this simple exercise do not come onto this thread telling us how you cannot find objects buried in the ground using something as simple as a bent wire or forked stick. I dare you all. I will bet that NONE of you will take this challenge because you would hate to have to admit how wrong you are. This goes double for you lastleg, I hope you get my drift.

 

[Bigdogdad]

BDD.... First off before I go any further PLEASE do not think I am "attacking" YOU and/or your beliefs, or your postings at all. This IS NOT my intent what-so-ever guy. I seek to understand your thinking, thought process and experience on what I am inquiring. And/or I am asking for examples of support of them.

Obviously from your postings Tim you rely some upon "remote sensors" & "dowsers". Again... I'm NOT attacking but seeking to understand guy as I admit I am native upon the "remote sensor" route. I did watch my grandfather dowse as a child and again a guy from the power company (last year) trying to help me locate something for me. Last year I wanted to know which side of a power pole my water and power line laid. Both were in the same ditch as I did it myself but couldn't remember. He followed the "lines" but couldn't tell me which side of the pole they laid.

1. In laymen's terms (short version) what is a "remote sensor"? 2. Why do you use/rely/trust them? 3. Do YOU have any evidence that ANYONE has found ANYTHING solely from their (remote sensor's) knowledge alone? 4. Have you any first hand knowledge of anyone finding anything of wealth from dowsing? If you do decide to address 1-4 separately I would be highly interested and intrigued to hear.

I guess I'm just curious in your learned/trained though of exploring and what example's you draw from Tim. Believe me guy.... I WISH YOU AND ALL the best in any means you use to find a cache no matter where it's at or how you find it. With that said we need not (none of us) to say anything remotely that diminishes somebody's found cache unless it's obvious that it is ill gotten.

Later, Brad

I will be glad to reply to this. I will do it later as I am busy and don't want to rush my answer to your carefully worded questions, especially since you asked in a nice way.

 

[lastleg]

flgliderpilot, have you ever noticed how dowsers use plumbers as examples of dowsing
success? Its like they are looking for water pipes instead of buried treasures. I can find
water pipes too with electronic devices that use transmitter/receiver coils. I've located
boundary markers also for homeowners who don't have or use metal detectors.

Could I have used a bent wire or peach limb instead? I don't know because I know my
expensive detector will do the job plus signaling any coins or rings close by. If the bent
wire put me close I would have to dig multiple holes ruining the turf causing homeowners
to wince.

Now the question is does metal pipe location mean a dowser increases his chance of
finding PMs using only dowsing/LRL/remote sensors? Until proof is clearly documented
it seems to me a waste of time, which waits for no man.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

flgliderpilot, have you ever noticed how dowsers use plumbers as examples of dowsing
success? Its like they are looking for water pipes instead of buried treasures. I can find
water pipes too with electronic devices that use transmitter/receiver coils. I've located
boundary markers also for homeowners who don't have or use metal detectors.

Could I have used a bent wire or peach limb instead? I don't know because I know my
expensive detector will do the job plus signaling any coins or rings close by. If the bent
wire put me close I would have to dig multiple holes ruining the turf causing homeowners
to wince.

Now the question is does metal pipe location mean a dowser increases his chance of
finding PMs using only dowsing/LRL/remote sensors? Until proof is clearly documented
it seems to me a waste of time, which waits for no man.

Last leg I can find water, catv, telecom and electrical lines with no transmitter or receiver coils, just with two pieces of coat hanger wires. I have done so for over 25 years....... I work telecom for over 40 years, located cables for 16 years and still can...

 

[DiggerGal]

Just as I expected, a smartass answer. Come on dude, tell us which metal detector I should try to buy, beg, or borrow so I can dig up some gold. As far as test targets are concerned please also tell us the method you used to determine the best detector. I hope it is not going to be something you read or heard or anything lame like that. I want to know from your hands on experience what the best gold finding detector is. If you need help with this it is ok if you secretly PM ECS for the answer as he is the other know-it-all expert that posts on this thread. We are anxiously awaiting your answer. I might not even be able to sleep till I here from you on this one.

BDD-
There is a company called Blisstool that produces pulse induction detectors that are blowing people's minds with the depth it is accurate at depicting. I believe it is manufactured in Bolivia and has an outrageous positive review in mineralized soil and sand.
One of the Partners runs a talk radio show on mixlr called Hard Core Metal Detecting. It's a great show that talks about all types of recoveries along with the Blisstool. Check it out at your leisure.

 

[ARC]

Blisstool Metal Detectors For Sale - Kellyco Metal Detectors

 

[DiggerGal]

Blisstool Metal Detectors For Sale - Kellyco Metal Detectors

ARRC,

The V3 is a good detector for a beginner to intermediate, however the V6 is what I think BDD needs to try. This is a tone only machine with no VDI so I can assume that you would need to spend at least 100 hrs on it to get to know it.
It was just a thought while reading his posts because of the depth with the pulse induction. [emoji106]🏼