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On the other hand spez401, in Vox's particular case he (or anybody else for that matter, your clients, etc.) can be found not guilty and be innocent at the same time as it is not mutually exclusive. The fact that a judge or jury are not able to convict a person for lack of proof does not imply that that person is guilty, its a system designed to protect the innocent that are falsely accused.
Panfilo
 

Pánfilo, it wasn't the case. The judge was investigating exactly one thing and the probable bribery comes from a side of this case, another different issue. Because the telephone intervention was because one exactly thing, those inculpating telephone interventions cant be used for a different case. That's how judicial investigations go, grosso modo, here in Spain. It's not a question of guiltiness or innocence proved. It's just that the judge cant use that casual information for the case in course and the people involved got released from the "trial" (nor innocent nor guilty). So, the judge decided no include in the trial this tangential and possibly irregular situation. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
 

Panfilo said:
On the other hand spez401, in Vox's particular case he (or anybody else for that matter, your clients, etc.) can be found not guilty and be innocent at the same time as it is not mutually exclusive. The fact that a judge or jury are not able to convict a person for lack of proof does not imply that that person is guilty, its a system designed to protect the innocent that are falsely accused.
Panfilo
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Panfilo,
over false accusations are unfounded accusations. Time will tell. It will be interesting to hear what some people have to declare under oath.
Cheers VV
 

Trinidad and Vox:
I’m not familiar with the details of the Bahia 2 legal case, I have just read what the newspapers in Spain have published and one learns to naturally distrust these reports as has been the case in the Mercedes case where the Spanish coverage has been truly biased and one sided, where the reporters have not done their homework and have been guided in their investigations more by their heart than their head. I don’t remember reading one single article from Spain that did not include the word “expolio” (pillage) right after citing Odyssey. If indeed the coins were found in international waters and the Mercedes was on a commercial voyage, there has been no “pillaging” and Odyssey has acted under the protection and abiding international law. This is what the case is all about…that is what the ruling will be! Clearly the Spanish press has already judged and sentenced Odyssey, a bit prematurely in my view and as a consequence many heads will roll in the Spanish government when and if the final judgment is in Odyssey’s favor as logic would make one believe.
My comment was intended towards the subtle implication that anybody having not been found guilty in a court of law for lack of evidence, that perhaps that meant that he was not innocent just “not guilty”. I disagree, many not guilty people are innocent and some not guilty persons are guilty of the crimes they were accused of but they were not able to be proved so they were released and are therefore not innocent.
Wise words that my father used to say: “No todo lo bueno es premio ni todo lo malo es castigo!”. Feliz Navidad for you both and to all the Treasurenet friends, may a ll your dreams come true,
Panfilo
 

Panfilo said:
Trinidad and Vox:
I’m not familiar with the details of the Bahia 2 legal case, I have just read what the newspapers in Spain have published and one learns to naturally distrust these reports as has been the case in the Mercedes case where the Spanish coverage has been truly biased and one sided, where the reporters have not done their homework and have been guided in their investigations more by their heart than their head. I don’t remember reading one single article from Spain that did not include the word “expolio” (pillage) right after citing Odyssey. If indeed the coins were found in international waters and the Mercedes was on a commercial voyage, there has been no “pillaging” and Odyssey has acted under the protection and abiding international law. This is what the case is all about…that is what the ruling will be! Clearly the Spanish press has already judged and sentenced Odyssey, a bit prematurely in my view and as a consequence many heads will roll in the Spanish government when and if the final judgment is in Odyssey’s favor as logic would make one believe.
My comment was intended towards the subtle implication that anybody having not been found guilty in a court of law for lack of evidence, that perhaps that meant that he was not innocent just “not guilty”. I disagree, many not guilty people are innocent and some not guilty persons are guilty of the crimes they were accused of but they were not able to be proved so they were released and are therefore not innocent.
Wise words that my father used to say: “No todo lo bueno es premio ni todo lo malo es castigo!”. Feliz Navidad for you both and to all the Treasurenet friends, may a ll your dreams come true,
Panfilo
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Panfilo,
I insist. Time will tell us many things and know the truth. Now the words are blown away.
Cheers VV
 

Jeff you beat me to it, but for those that do not take the time to read such an article fully, I will post the specifics.
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"This is one powerful person
Can any one name him/her ?
Check it''' ..from below

"I
have personally sent a letter to the Secretary of State, Hillary Rodham
Clinton, requesting additional information and a review of the position
taken by the U.S. in the ‘Black Swan’ legal case,” stated Greg
Stemm, Odyssey CEO. “The possibility that someone in the U.S.
Government came up with this perfidious offer to sacrifice Odyssey, its
thousands of shareholders, and the many jobs created by the company in
exchange for the return of one painting to one individual is hard to
believe. The WikiLeaks cables clearly show that we have worked
cooperatively and transparently with both Spain and the State Department
for many years,\|
ONE person cause the dropping of a court case and the State Dept to lie.
WHO IS IT ??
I am looking

Odyssey Marine Exploration Comments on WikiLeaks Information
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Don Jose de La Mancha

"I exist to Live, not live to exist".
 

I believe it was someone from Homeland Security (DHS). I heard that the State Dept. denied Spain's request.

SUBJECT: ODYSSEY UPDATE: DHS DELIVERS CUSTOMS INFORMATION
REF: MADRID 1670 AND PREVIOUS
¶1. (SBU) On September 6, DHS-ICE Attache delivered the Odyssey Customs import documents to Director of Aduanas Nicolas Bonilla, as requested by GOS via the Customs Mutual Assistance Agreement (CMAA) on July 24. The DHS-ICE Attache advised Bonilla that the information was confidential and to be used only for law enforcement purposes.
 

Good news on "Bahía 2"

Jeff K said:
For those who are not familiar with "Bahia 2."
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A band dedicated to expolio of sunk boats falls

The actions lowered thanks to the prisoners

By, FERNANDO PEREZ AVILA

Seville. “1561. Ship Santo Antonio. Seville. Shipwreck in the Guadalquivir”. Fast, nervous, red handwriting blue on a small card of archivist who becomes yellowish with the passage of the years. He is one of 3,000 documents on shipwrecks that the historian had in his power Claudius Bonifacio, Italian settled down in Seville and now stopped by the Civil Guard like presumed member of a band of delinquents dedicated to expolio of submarine archaeological rest. They are the seven members of this organization that have been arrested in this second phase of the operation Bay.

Bonifacio had managed to complete an enormous collection of sunk boats worldwide. For it it used almost 30 years of work, most of them between the File of Indians and the Protocol of Notary's offices. The historian got to say publicly that no longer some needed file to know where they could be left rest of boats. He counted on a series of navigation charts, among them one of the coast of the end San Vicente marked by done crossings ball-point pen. Each cross marks the more or less approximate point where it sank a boat, reconstructed through letters, newspapers, stories of survivors…

An excellent work of historian with illicit aims. The Civil Guard surprised Bonifacio sleepy in his house of Triana and there same she found him, in addition to the documentation, a GPS, a detector of metals very falsified, a measurer of resistance of the subsoil, prisms binocular with incorporated light, cartography, a notebook with annotations and some pieces of archaeological rest. The technological equipment was inside a knapsack that the agents got to baptize like kit of the expoliador.

In his three files of green color they appeared, divided according to the zone in which still they remain the rest, Spanish, English, French and Dutch ships that take centuries resting in waters of the Straits of Gibraltar, next to the Cabo of San Vicente, in the Caribbean, the Pacific and until in India and the Philippines. Of some there are bibliographical references, in almost all they appear the name of the captain and the load that took. Of others one only knows to the name of the boat and the year in which one sank.

The historian was an indispensable piece, the man who provided the key information so that the rest of the band could locate the treasures that soon sold. The pieces had their buyers. In this case one was North American companies, among them the Odissey company, announced in its day its intention to recover the treasures of the HSM Sussex, 1694 in the Straits of Gibraltar with a gold shipment silver and that the ship sunk - the experts think that he took ten tons of gold and one hundred of silver, that could be valued in 4.000 million euros.

The prisoners are the heirs of the pirates of the Louisa, the boat that already was catched at the beginning of year by the Civil Guard as a result of the sale of ten Spanish tubes and from that expolio on great scale in the Straits was organized. Some of the prisoners, among them Claudius Bonifacio and the ringleader of the band in Madrid, Jose Valero, appeared in mass media in several occasions, to the thread of that first stage of the operation Bay. Simply they were rival of that band that fell and tried to eliminate the competition assuring that the business of the cazatesoros had entered decay.

Four people have been arrested and more imputed in Madrid, where a bullet of tube of century XVII has been confiscated, rest of amphoras, a sonar of lateral sweeping, daily navigation charts and of work. In Algeciras a professional submariner and with him fell a robot of submarine shooting to remote control with capacity to work to a depth of 500 meters. Another people have been imputed more in Cabo de Palos (Murcia), where the Civil Guard found a trap, plates and recipientos coming from shipments of ships and necks of amphoras Roman. Also there was a halting in Real City. The Sevillian historian completes the list, perhaps the man who knows more in the world on sunk boats.

5/8/06
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http://translate.google.com/transla...re/cautelar/elpepiespand/20101226elpand_8/Tes
 

Vox: good news for who?
Seahunter: Not all the good things are prizes nor all the bad things are punishments.
 

trinidad said:
Vox: good news for who?Seahunter: Not all the good things are prizes nor all the bad things are punishments.
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Trini,
a wise proverb says: at the end of the battle dead are counted.
The battle is not over.
Cheers VV
 

HMMM 5/8/06????? so what has the sequel been? That was 5 years ago. Incidentally that article tends to show just how bad a literal interpretation can be, even to changing the context to an extent.

Don Jose de La Mancha

"I exist to Live, not live to exist"
 

"El buque Louisa estaba realizando inspecciones del fondo marino de la bahía de Cádiz mediante sonar y cesio magnético con el fin de localizar y registrar hidrocarburos y gas metano", dice la demanda.

"The ship Louisa was conducting inspections of the seabed in the Bay of Cadiz and cesium magnetic sonar to locate and record oil and methane gas," the lawsuit said."

Do oil companies use magnetometers to explore for oil & gas? That doesn't sound right to me, but I'm no expert.
 

Jeff K said:
"El buque Louisa estaba realizando inspecciones del fondo marino de la bahía de Cádiz mediante sonar y cesio magnético con el fin de localizar y registrar hidrocarburos y gas metano", dice la demanda.

"The ship Louisa was conducting inspections of the seabed in the Bay of Cadiz and cesium magnetic sonar to locate and record oil and methane gas," the lawsuit said."

Do oil companies use magnetometers to explore for oil & gas? That doesn't sound right to me, but I'm no expert.
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Jeff, you'd be surprised what can do new technologies.
 

Trinidad,
you're still being "protected" by a nickname, I venture to ask: are you an archaeologist?
 

Vox, I can understand your curiosity but I think it's not important what I am or who I am. I don't use a nickname to insult or calumniate anybody. At least that's my intention. Does it bother you ignoring that specific information about me? Does it disqualifies me to discuss and argue about this case? I don't think so but don't worry, I'm sure we will met some day and then I´ll identify my self. Happy new year.
 

Vox veritas said:
trinidad said:
Vox: good news for who?Seahunter: Not all the good things are prizes nor all the bad things are punishments.
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Trini,
a wise proverb says: at the end of the battle dead are counted.
The battle is not over.
Cheers VV
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Another wise proverb: "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck."
 

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