How to find the Lost Dutchman mine...

[cactusjumper]

Paul,

Nice post! IMHO, you are 100% correct.

Take care, and put another log on the fire....

Joe

 

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[Cubfan64]

Until I find a way to move out there to explore whenever I want, I'm banking on dumb luck primarly

The best thing I can do is get as far off the trails as possible - imho there's a better chance of finding something where few have ever gone.

 

[Cubfan64]

I envy the ones who live there and can go if they choose to do so.

As do a lot of us! If you can swing a trip, you should go sometime - just to see it firsthand.

 

[Twisted Fork]

Why wont good ol fashion prospecting not work?

I personally believe good ol fashion prospecting COULD have worked many years ago, and it's likely that at least some folks did attack the problem by spending time panning the dry creekbeds and other areas in an attempt to locate the mine (or any other workable gold mine). That assumes of course that the mine is situated in such a way that placer gold can be found below and nearby - not necessarily a given.

The major problem now is that you're not allowed to prospect in that way within the wilderness area.

There is float there, but it is located on the reservation border which would more than likely put the breaks on most folks parade. The mine however is not on the reservation; hope that helps some.

 

[Oroblanco]

My feelings is the mine is not where we think it is. I dont think Waltz knew where it was.

What leads you to believe that Waltz himself, the man with the gold beneath his deathbed and to which our sources all point, did not know where the mine was? I have to agree that the mine is almost certainly not where most seem to think it is, but would like to hear your theory. Thank you in advance,
Oroblanco

 

[gollum]

My feelings is the mine is not where we think it is. I dont think Waltz knew where it was.

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While I agree that the mine is not where most think it is, you had REALLY better do some more before saying things like that.

Best-Mike

 

[Springfield]

My feelings is the mine is not where we think it is. I dont think Waltz knew where it was.

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While I agree that the mine is not where most think it is, you had REALLY better do some more before saying things like that.

Best-Mike

What Casca may be alluding to is that all we know for 'sure' is that Waltz was in possession of some good paying gold ore. Beyond that, all is speculation based on hearsay and faith. For all we know, Waltz may have uncovered someone else's cache, or killed someone in possession of the ore, or whatever, and fabricated the mythical 'lost mine' story to muddy the waters.

 

[gollum]

That's not how it reads buddy.

But why would he lie to Julia Roberts and Rheinhart Petrasch? He knew he was dying,, so there was no use BSing about it.

No, I believe Waltz had at least one rich gold mine (he may have also had a placer mine but that's another story) and at least one cache left when he was trying to explain the locations to Rhiney and Julia.

Best-Mike

 

[somehiker]

My feelings is the mine is not where we think it is. I dont think Waltz knew where it was.

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While I agree that the mine is not where most think it is, you had REALLY better do some more before saying things like that.

Best-Mike

What Casca may be alluding to is that all we know for 'sure' is that Waltz was in possession of some good paying gold ore. Beyond that, all is speculation based on hearsay and faith. For all we know, Waltz may have uncovered someone else's cache, or killed someone in possession of the ore, or whatever, and fabricated the mythical 'lost mine' story to muddy the waters.

Seems to me a thinkin man would claim his gold came from a pocket of ore that played out,rather than invite trouble by falsely claiming the find of a the richest mine that he had ever seen.

Regards:SH

 

[Springfield]

What Casca may be alluding to is that all we know for 'sure' is that Waltz was in possession of some good paying gold ore. Beyond that, all is speculation based on hearsay and faith. For all we know, Waltz may have uncovered someone else's cache, or killed someone in possession of the ore, or whatever, and fabricated the mythical 'lost mine' story to muddy the waters.

Seems to me a thinkin man would claim his gold came from a pocket of ore that played out,rather than invite trouble by falsely claiming the find of a the richest mine that he had ever seen.

Regards:SH

Well, that 'richest mine ever' tale seems to have caught on, eh?

 

[cactusjumper]

That's not how it reads buddy.

But why would he lie to Julia Roberts and Rheinhart Petrasch? He knew he was dying,, so there was no use BSing about it.

No, I believe Waltz had at least one rich gold mine (he may have also had a placer mine but that's another story) and at least one cache left when he was trying to explain the locations to Rhiney and Julia.

Best-Mike

Mike,

You just can't beat that kind of logic. Nice!

Take care,

Joe

 

[ancientones]

The Dutchmans mine is there, it is also known as The Sombrero Mine.
To find it one needs to ask which of these sentences sounds like something Jacob Waltz would say.
"It lies in an imaginary circle whose diameter is not more than five miles and whose center is marked by the Weavers Needle, a prominent and fantastic pinnacle of volcanic tufta..." Dutchman to Julia to Bicknell to Ruth
or
"My mine lies within a 5 mile circle of Weavers Needle".

ancientones

 

[Blindbowman]

The Dutchmans mine is there, it is also known as The Sombrero Mine.
To find it one needs to ask which of these sentences sounds like something Jacob Waltz would say.
"It lies in an imaginary circle whose diameter is not more than five miles and whose center is marked by the Weavers Needle, a prominent and fantastic pinnacle of volcanic tufta..." Dutchman to Julia to Bicknell to Ruth
or
"My mine lies within a 5 mile circle of Weavers Needle".

ancientones


waltz never said anything ,, thats why people keep makeing sh** up ...lol

very good over sight but wrong .. waltz never wrote that ... or said it ...

 

[ancientones]

I will make it easy for you.
Following a couple other of his clues, N of the Needle, S to N flowing Canyon, put
your Google Earth to 2007. At 4.8 Mi. miles you will see the Horsehead-as described.
or
On Google, go 1 Mi. S of this spot, face N(Down the Canyon). Then pull up The Sombrero
'Sketch Map'.
If you know your clues you can find 'several' more that fit.
Let me know what you see.

ancientones

 

[ancientones]

Also, pull up the Peralta Stone maps(heart inlay).
You should be able to match the washes nicely

 

[Blindbowman]

I will make it easy for you.
Following a couple other of his clues, N of the Needle, S to N flowing Canyon, put
your Google Earth to 2007. At 4.8 Mi. miles you will see the Horsehead-as described.
or
On Google, go 1 Mi. S of this spot, face N(Down the Canyon). Then pull up The Sombrero
'Sketch Map'.
If you know your clues you can find 'several' more that fit.
Let me know what you see.

ancientones

easy, whats that .. ?

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

ERR AH HMMmmm mi BB buddy pretty pictures, but the Gold?? Incidentally, the last object in the series looks suspiciously like a projectile point.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[ancientones]

From Tortilla Flat, go up Tortilla Wash to Peters Canyon(1 hr.) Then up Peters Canyon to the site, about 3 hrs.
with a couple breaks.
Easy
I posted a nice picture of a 'El Corazon' under subject 'LDM why you can't get it'. From the top you can see
'several' sets of symbols leading to this mine, and a few others.

 

[EE THr]

I think the arrowhead is a good sign. After all, wasn't his partner supposedly attacked by Indians at the mine?

The first picture is astounding. It's the first one that's ever actually been in focus! But it looks like a chunck of compressed clay from an ancient placer, the way the specks are suspended within it. It's not originally deposited gold, for sure. And, um, well... that's not quartz matrix!

But one of your better posts, BB, for those reasons.

 

[Blindbowman]

I think the arrowhead is a good sign. After all, wasn't his partner supposedly attacked by Indians at the mine?

The first picture is astounding. It's the first one that's ever actually been in focus! But it looks like a chunck of compressed clay from an ancient placer, the way the specks are suspended within it. It's not originally deposited gold, for sure. And, um, well... that's not quartz matrix!

But one of your better posts, BB, for those reasons.

no, its really a gold ore sample from Alaska youkon , 15 grams . the arrow head is from wym .. i just wanted to prove a piont .. . if you dont under stand, it dose prove the piont ...