How to find the Lost Dutchman mine...

[EE THr]

Oro---

Personally, I think any study of Native Americans, in general, sheds light on the historic developments of long ago, and can enhance the understanding of the complexities involved in studying the very early inhabitants of the Americas, whoever they were.

I, for one, appreciate your generosity in contributing you input.

Or, to put it a different way---thanks, dude!

 

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[Oroblanco]

You are most welcome amigo, and I agree that the history of all the tribes is interesting and enlightening.

Just noticed the time, have to sign off but will try to stop by later this evening.
Oroblanco

 

[cactusjumper]

EE,

The Blackfoot were a nomadic people. In the winter, they lived in very small groups of families. As I stated, they had a long history in Wyoming. It is documented in many accounts from the pioneers. I did read your link and what you write is correct......as far as it goes.

IMHO, bb did not speak loosely, but was rather specific. "my X was a 3/4 Blackfoot from wym , but she was sold to the Blackfoot by the Apache" For me, the key was the fact that she was 3/4 Blackfoot. That might suggest that she was the offspring of Blackfoot, white or of another Native American tribe.

He did not say she was from a reservation, which might imply she did not live among the Blackfoot people. Indeed, there may not even be a formal group of Blackfeet living in Wyoming. My own son in law, as well as my granddaughters are part Cherokee and don't live among the tribe.

I don't assume that bb's statement is untrue.......because it's more than possible. I do doubt the sale from the Apache, unless his X was old enough to be his grandma.

Take care,

Joe

 

[cactusjumper]

Roy,

I won't spend a lot of time on this, as I have a number of sources at home, but here is one source:

http://books.google.com/books?id=l2...pAqJVgGsgH8YfKSTHH4&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false

The initial question was.....Are there Blackfoot in Wyoming. The answer was and is, Yes.

Take care,

Joe

 

[EE THr]

Are there a lot of Blackfoot in Wyoming?

sorry EE you mist one fact .. the states were not there when the tribe located to that area...lol they coverd a few states .

There is my original question. I asked it because of my wife's interest in Wyoming, as stated in my post following the above.

But "the tribe" was never "located" in Wyoming. Some visits. Some people moved to Wyoming at some point in time. Maybe even a band or more. But not "the tribe," as BB so loftily stated, as he often has about other gross inaccuracies, including matters about the LDM.

So, "close, but no cigar."





I just calls 'em like I sees 'em....

 

[Blindbowman]

Are there a lot of Blackfoot in Wyoming?

sorry EE you mist one fact .. the states were not there when the tribe located to that area...lol they coverd a few states .

There is my original question. I asked it because of my wife's interest in Wyoming, as stated in my post following the above.

But "the tribe" was never "located" in Wyoming. Some visits. Some people moved to Wyoming at some point in time. Maybe even a band or more. But not "the tribe," as BB so loftily stated, as he often has about other gross inaccuracies, including matters about the LDM.

So, "close, but no cigar."





I just calls 'em like I sees 'em....

i spent 25 years married to a 3/4 blackfoot i have no idea where you got your insight ..lol.. i really dont care .. i know what she said and who she was .. as often you only reply when you can say something nagitive ...

 

[EE THr]

sorry EE you mist one fact ..

Actually, BB, you gave the first negative reply, and it was also wrong.

Who's fault is that?

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

MINE

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Blindbowman]

sorry EE you mist one fact ..

Actually, BB, you gave the first negative reply, and it was also wrong.

Who's fault is that?

that was not nagitive , it was the truth ..lol

now were placeing fault ...

 

[Oroblanco]

Blindbowman just out of curiosity, which tribe was your ex-wife a member of, Blackfoot as in Siksika, or as in Sihasapa (Lakota)? Thank you in advance,
Oroblanco

 

[EE THr]

sorry EE you mist one fact ..

Actually, BB, you gave the first negative reply, and it was also wrong.

Who's fault is that?

that was not nagitive , it was the truth ..lol

now were placeing fault ...

Two more wrong.

1. It wasn't true.
2. It's not "we," it was you trying to place fault. I just corrected you.


Get back on topic.

 

[Blindbowman]

sorry EE you mist one fact ..

Actually, BB, you gave the first negative reply, and it was also wrong.

Who's fault is that?

that was not nagitive , it was the truth ..lol

now were placeing fault ...

Two more wrong.

1. It wasn't true.
2. It's not "we," it was you trying to place fault. I just corrected you.


Get back on topic.

this is a total waste of my time .. walk away why you still can ....correct your not even close ...lol

so lets here your next great theory .. come on i cant wait .. your so correct .. lets hear it ...EE

 

[EE THr]

The first part of finding the LDM, could probably be the application of speculation.

But the actual "finding" of it would necessitate actually being there, right in the mine, and identifying it as the real Lost Dutchman. The consensus of opinion so far, is that to qualify as adequate proof, the ore must be produced which matches known ore from Waltz's stash.

The problem, besides simply knowing where to dig, is that you can't dig. It's not legal to dig in the Superstitions. This complicates matters a bit!

So, a big part of answering the question of the topic, is how to overcome this obstacle of the law?

What would be necessary to be able to dig? What kind of proof would be necessary, in order to get permission to open the LDM? Applying for a permit has been discussed before, at length, but with the LDM especially, it seems to be a giant Catch-22.

The Forest Service claims that there are no valuable mineral bearing areas in the Supers, so just saying that it looks like there should be a gold mine there apparently won't cut it.

And they have stated that their confidence in old maps and legends is nonexistent, so logic won't work with them, either.

So, that seems to be as big an obstacle as figuring out where the mine is.

Since it's half the problem, I think that some good ideas of how to handle legally digging it, would certainly be appropriate for this topic!

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

S I G H, S N I F F , EE tell me

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[EE THr]

S I G H, S N I F F , EE tell me

Don Jose de La Mancha

If I had a bright idea, I would have posted it!

 

[Blindbowman]

The first part of finding the LDM, could probably be the application of speculation.

But the actual "finding" of it would necessitate actually being there, right in the mine, and identifying it as the real Lost Dutchman. The consensus of opinion so far, is that to qualify as adequate proof, the ore must be produced which matches known ore from Waltz's stash.

The problem, besides simply knowing where to dig, is that you can't dig. It's not legal to dig in the Superstitions. This complicates matters a bit!

So, a big part of answering the question of the topic, is how to overcome this obstacle of the law?

What would be necessary to be able to dig? What kind of proof would be necessary, in order to get permission to open the LDM? Applying for a permit has been discussed before, at length, but with the LDM especially, it seems to be a giant Catch-22.

The Forest Service claims that there are no valuable mineral bearing areas in the Supers, so just saying that it looks like there should be a gold mine there apparently won't cut it.

And they have stated that their confidence in old maps and legends is nonexistent, so logic won't work with them, either.

So, that seems to be as big an obstacle as figuring out where the mine is.

Since it's half the problem, I think that some good ideas of how to handle legally digging it, would certainly be appropriate for this topic!

well stated

i agree the legal guide lines are a little tight ...lol but there are more then one way to skin a cat and i know a bout 8 diffrent ways ...lol

stuff him or eat him is the next question . skining him is easy ...makeing a good soap , now that take skill ...

the paper work is a pain in the A** but if a person dose complete the discovery . the paper work will be easy with a nice ore sample to brake the red tape ....

a person could work the mine and never tell a soul .. or he could go for the historical rewards and movie and story rights .. but proveing the LDM is the real LDM will be no problem at all .. if it is the real LDM ...

i have a copy of the guide lines and ya they are worded to the letter .. but if the real mine is found then those same words could protect the discovery just as much as the rights of the wilderness area ...

 

[EE THr]

BB---

What are you going to say when they ask you how you got the ore sample?

 

[cactusjumper]

Roy,

"Very little of this territory extends into present day Wyoming. Blackfoot Indians did attend several of the fur trade rendezvous in Wyoming, but had traveled quite some distance to attend."

I have spent quite a bit of time in Jackson Hole, Wyoming. I can assure you that the Blackfeet did live there, as much as you could say they lived anywhere. As I said before, they were a nomadic tribe and Jackson Hole was one of their favorite places.

That history is pretty well known. I have looked into the history of the state, as I was born in Casper. The Teton Sioux consisted of Blackfeet (Sihasapa), Brule, Hunkpapa, Miniconjou, Sans Arc.....etc.

BB's statement could very well be true.

Take care,

Joe

 

[Blindbowman]

BB---

What are you going to say when they ask you how you got the ore sample?

scott wood has set a guide line .. what personal thing has no bearing on that evidence or its guide lines ... and if you read the fine print . you can in fact collect rock samples ...it is legal ..

 

[Blindbowman]

Roy,

"Very little of this territory extends into present day Wyoming. Blackfoot Indians did attend several of the fur trade rendezvous in Wyoming, but had traveled quite some distance to attend."

I have spent quite a bit of time in Jackson Hole, Wyoming. I can assure you that the Blackfeet did live there, as much as you could say they lived anywhere. As I said before, they were a nomadic tribe and Jackson Hole was one of their favorite places.

That history is pretty well known. I have looked into the history of the state, as I was born in Casper. The Teton Sioux consisted of Blackfeet (Sihasapa), Brule, Hunkpapa, Miniconjou, Sans Arc.....etc.

BB's statement could very well be true.

Take care,

Joe

your from casper .. barbara was from Lairme and lived her later years in Cheyenne, i went hunting west of laramie near the lost lakes in medicine bow

beauful area .. up near elk mt and a place my friend called kennedy peak ..


.you ever here of sweeds roffing or trucking out of cheyenne ...