How to find the Lost Dutchman mine...

[Oroblanco]

Blindbowman - I love that stone point! If you don't mind my asking, where did you find it? Was it from the southwest? Very nice point IMHO. Thank you in advance
Roy

 

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[EE THr]

Oro---

I think "wym" is bowmanspeak for Wyoming.

 

[Oroblanco]

Oro---

I think "wym" is bowmanspeak for Wyoming.

Muchas gracias EE Thr, that makes sense; got out of the habit of recognizing states by the three letter abbreviations some time ago and did not make the connection. I have never found a single point in Wyoming myself, have a couple places to look when the weather gets nicer there though (old tipi rings on private land) so may have some luck this year.

Oroblanco

 

[Blindbowman]

my X was a 3/4 blackfoot from wym , but she was sold to the Blackfoot by the Apache

i live there for a few years, oro watch the great herds .. you will find the arrow heads , check around watering wholes ..dead fall cliffs , you know why i keep that arrow head , some times when i get to a area i want to search i lay it on the grown and look at it from diffrent angles . then i focus in on it and then train my eyes to see how it lays on the grown .. then i start looking for others .. and i find them easyer then i would if i just walked up and started looking .. it works try it ..

 

[EE THr]

Are there a lot of Blackfoot in Wyoming?

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Good afternoon EE, You posted -->Are there a lot of Blackfoot in Wyoming?
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Yer kidding?? Apparently you haven't met ORO?? Why do you think that I tend to reject his sock coffee?

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[pronghorn]

Are there a lot of Blackfoot in Wyoming?

I think the proper questions are....
Are the apache still selling squaws?
Who are they selling them to besides
the blackfeet of Wyoming?
How are they getting away with trafficing
in human beings?

















and last

How much is one?

 

[EE THr]

 

[Oroblanco]

Pronghorn wrote

and last

How much is one?

ROFL

You know that old saying buddy, 'be careful what you wish for, you just might get it!'


Blackfoot sock coffee anyone?

 

[EE THr]

So, that's why my wife keeps talking about moving to Wyoming. She's 1/3 Blackfoot.

She only rode through there on a bus one time, when she was younger. But she says the people are real friendly.

I've never been there, myself.

I keep telling her it's gotta be too cold there, but she doesn't care---She runs a little on the hot side, anyway, and hates the heat.

 

[Oroblanco]

Blindbowman wrote

some times when i get to a area i want to search i lay it on the grown and look at it from diffrent angles . then i focus in on it and then train my eyes to see how it lays on the grown .. then i start looking for others .. and i find them easyer then i would if i just walked up and started looking .. it works try it ..

I wouldn't risk carrying one of our points along on a hunt, don't have that many and no duplicates so if I were to lose or damage one, it would tick me off.

So, that's why my wife keeps talking about moving to Wyoming. She's 1/3 Blackfoot.

She only rode through there on a bus one time, when she was younger. But she says the people are real friendly.

I've never been there, myself.

I keep telling her it's gotta be too cold there, but she doesn't care---She runs a little on the hot side, anyway, and hates the heat.

I highly recommend a visit to Wyoming before moving there; the winters are cold but not as severe as some places and there is a great variety of different kinds of terrain so it helps to just tour the state. One part looks very different from another part, in other words the Red Desert does not look anything like the Gros Ventres and neither looks like the Bighorns etc. I don't know the number of Blackfeet who reside in Wyoming, but there are a fair number of Shoshones. The people are very friendly in our experience, which may stem from the general scarcity of people. (Wyoming has the lowest population of all the states, even less than Alaska)

On the down side, Wyoming has very few places to find any gold, really just the South Pass/Atlantic city district ever produced much. Lots of "wide open spaces" though, and Yellowstone & Teton national parks are worth the trip to see. Jobs are a tad scarce in Wyoming, so definitely do your 'homework' before taking a leap.

One last bit on Wyoming - if you don't like WIND, you won't like Wyoming.

Sorry for the off topic post.
Oroblanco

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Welcome aboard pronghorn enough for all of us. I must clarify something, ORO did 'not' make the coffee.

Now about the broads?

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Twisted Fork]

The Dutchmans mine is there, it is also known as The Sombrero Mine.
To find it one needs to ask which of these sentences sounds like something Jacob Waltz would say.
"It lies in an imaginary circle whose diameter is not more than five miles and whose center is marked by the Weavers Needle, a prominent and fantastic pinnacle of volcanic tufta..." Dutchman to Julia to Bicknell to Ruth
or
"My mine lies within a 5 mile circle of Weavers Needle".

ancientones
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First one must scrape a much hearsay off of the bottom of their boots as possible before venturing onward with this batch of half-truths and legend. People were more like animals back in the day and at the same time, more heart felt. Waltz would not send his friends and neighbors out into the wilderness to be murdered by the Apache; rather they would be handed any number of half truths so as to still be friendly and not to appear to be holding out on them. They very simply were sent in the right direction, but not given the whole story. One might figure out the rest by following the trail beyond and in this manner, Waltz would be less likely to feel guilty if they did so and perished along the way. All Spanish mine sites have sign leading up to them on the way; then the sign becomes all but invisible and scarce until one arrives to the actual location of the digs themselves; possibly miles beyond the first array of markers and sign. The main marker at the mine site, is a mountain shaped like a "Hat" not necessarily a Sombrero. They Mexican miners knew you would think like that and that is why they started the legend as such. Three Mexican miners in a pool hall probably started it all and rather enjoyed watching the gringos scurry around gathering their gear and running off looking for a Sombrero shaped peak that had nothing to do with the site other than sign to show where the trail to the mines first starts out at. Twisted

 

[EE THr]

The Dutchmans mine is there, it is also known as The Sombrero Mine.

To find it one needs to ask which of these sentences sounds like something Jacob Waltz would say. "It lies in an imaginary circle whose diameter is not more than five miles and whose center is marked by the Weavers Needle, a prominent and fantastic pinnacle of volcanic tufta..." Dutchman to Julia to Bicknell to Ruth
or
"My mine lies within a 5 mile circle of Weavers Needle".

ancientones

One way indicates it's within 2 1/2 miles of the needle.

But the other way could mean it's within 5 miles.

 

[Twisted Fork]

Without standing in someones shadow, I would have to say that the mine site dwells within a five mile circle before it turns or dry flows back into the river that created it (The Salt) and ends there. The mine (a single river worn chimney at the head; as a lode followed by spill in a main vein miles long with several entries and splintered veins branching out along its course) being contained therein; The hat shaped peak at one end, overlooking the area. A head-ing from the hat.

The term "Weaver's Needle" goes back much further in legend and lore than the days of the Dutchman and Mr. Weaver; it is actually "The Ship Weaver's or Sail Maker's Needle" that the story refers to and many measures in distance and time both are very much nautical upon the dry land; A single ancient, tall barrel cactus in the desert and a single topped tree that has been burned at the top here in the forested areas. Every site has it's own needle overlooking (a dotted line for reference or stitches to compare measure on the maps or tablets accordingly and thus the trails of various scale depending on which terrain is at hand) the location of the main entry or first portal or stitch hole. One must envision the land and the dominant water mark along the terrain as reference when shooting quads over long ranges of ground; nautical terminology applies in the oldest tablets and paper maps. This area used to flood high at times.

 

[Blindbowman]

Are there a lot of Blackfoot in Wyoming?

sorry EE you mist one fact .. the states were not there when the tribe located to that area...lol they coverd a few states .

i if i am right .. they do not look as it as stealing a child .. they will not care for a 1/2 breed child . they pass them to a nother tribe i even beleive they did this to hide who she was ...that way if she rememberd anything , no one would know what she was talking about . ...

 

[EE THr]

BB---

You're close, but no cigar.

 

[cactusjumper]

EE,

I believe bb has his information correct. As I recall, the Blackfoot people have a long history in Wyoming.

Take care,

Joe

 

[EE THr]

CJ---

Yeah, loosely speaking.

The Blackfeet also have a history from around the Maine-Canadian border, then became one of the most powerful tribes of the Great Plains.

Today, three of the Blackfoot Confederacy tribes are in Canada, and the fourth has a reservation in Montana.

I even provided a link, in my post above.

 

[Oroblanco]

Hola amigos,
This is a rather long and off-topic post, but is an interesting side track so I must beg your indulgence. Anyone who chooses to skip the whole post, will not miss much on the Lost Dutchman and I won't be offended. Thank you in advance.

EE Thr wrote

BB---

You're close, but no cigar.

and Cactusjumper wrote

EE,

I believe bb has his information correct. As I recall, the Blackfoot people have a long history in Wyoming.

Perhaps we ought to stop at this point and ask Blindbowman if he means Blackfoot as in Niitsítapi , <Siksika> which tribes generally were well north of Wyoming and had no permanent presence, or Sihasapa Dakota <Blackfoot Sioux> which did have some presence in Wyoming but no permanent presence? This site:

http://www.native-languages.org/wyoming.htm

has a map showing the relative areas of the state held by the various tribes, which included Shoshones, Arapaho, Cheyennes, Crows, and Utes. The records of the various plains wars with Indians and resulting treaties do mention Blackfoot as present at the Ft Laramie (1851) treaty and defined their territory:

"The territory of the Blackfoot Nation, commencing at the mouth of Muscle-shell River; thence up the Missouri River to its source; thence along the main range of the Rocky Mountains, in a southerly direction, to the head-waters of the northern source of the Yellowstone River; thence down the Yellowstone River to the mouth of Twenty-five Yard Creek; thence across to the head-waters of the Muscle-shell River, and thence down the Muscle-shell River to the place of beginning."

Very little of this territory extends into present day Wyoming. Blackfoot Indians did attend several of the fur trade rendezvous in Wyoming, but had traveled quite some distance to attend.

All of which is fairly irrelevant, for our purposes; for the Indians of today are not all living in historic reservation lands but anywhere they please. Hence we find Najavos in Wyoming and Sioux in California.

The only tie in to the LDM that I can make is the possibility of mis-identification of the Indians of the LDM legend, most have it as the main antagonists were Apaches, when there are other possibilities.

Apologies for the off-topic post, any information on any historic Blackfoot <Siksika, not Sihasapa> presence in Wyoming would be welcome.
Oroblanco