Looking for a Fit buddy/partner to go into the desert mountains

[Terry Soloman]

Terry

I'm sure you are aware of gold being found in Volcanic Rock. It is extremely rare - but has been found. As for the Supes, I know that many areas back in there, have not been searched.
What evidence have you seen or heard of - that would have you certain of it being found? Anyone ever show you the purity of said find? Any photos or video that would further back up your statement? The reason of my questions, is that I am not convinced the LDM was ever been found. Many like to state it as if it was found, but absolutely no one has ever shown anything that could finally end this legend, let alone convince me that's its been discovered.

-SpartanOC

Wait, show me evidence it ever existed. Goldfield is real. Look it up.

 

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[RGINN]

I would be interested in seeing what you've come up with in Utah.

 

[adventurewithpurpose]

Hmm are you from Utah area? You have to understand,I can’t just give it away, but let’s say it that way, a snake petroglyph leading to a cache or dwelling place.i found undaunted the matching geology of the petroglyphs, also that petroglyph seems to be much younger then the others, meaning more modern and probably Spanish.

 

[RGINN]

No, I'm from the central mountains in Colorado. However, I go out to the Moab area at least once a year. I go looking for petroglyphs and a few pictographs, and have found a few I'm sure haven't been documented.

 

[Steve Bowser]

Hello AWP (Adventurewithpurpose),
Although I'm not a believer in the authenticity of the Peralta Stone Maps, I encourage you to follow your gut and have a fun and safe adventure following the clues you believe in.

You've made it clear you're not asking for advice but are just asking if someone would like to join you in your search in the Superstitions. It sounds like you have lots of experience exploring off trail which should help you in the Superstitions, just keep in mind several folks have underestimated the Superstitions to their detriment. You probably already do this when your out exploring, but leaving a exploration plan, a detailed map and time of return with someone might be a good idea. Chances are you'll be just fine but unexpected bad things can happen and the Superstitions can be unforgiving.

You mentioned in one of your posts about how creeks and landmarks line up with the depictions in the Peralta Stone Maps. You might want to read an article by Bernice and Jack McGee in the May 1973 issue of Frontier Times. The McGees were good friends with Travis Marlowe (Clarence Mitchell) who wrote the first book about the Peralta Stone Maps titled Superstition Treasures in 1965. Marlowe (Mitchell) also was featured in a Life Magazine article about the Peralta Stone Maps. The McGees were originally sold on the authenticity of the Peralta Stone Maps but changed their minds and wrote an article titled Are the Peralta Stone Maps a Hoax? for the May 1973 issue of Frontier Times. Their article is rooted in how the creeks and topographic features in the Supersitions seem to fit with the Peralta Stone Maps. Let me know if you want a copy of this article and we'll figure out a way for me to get it to you.

Do you have a time frame for going into the Superstitions for your search?

Steve

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I was able to scan the two articles by Bernice and Jack McGee regarding the Peralta Stone Maps at a lower resolution so that I could attach them to this thread. If anyone would like them in a higher resolution just PM me your email address and I will get them to you. I suggest you read Invitation to a Ghost Walk first and then Are the Peralta Stone Maps a Hoax?

 

[deducer]

I was able to scan the two articles by Bernice and Jack McGee regarding the Peralta Stone Maps at a lower resolution so that I could attach them to this thread. If anyone would like them in a higher resolution just PM me your email address and I will get them to you. I suggest you read Invitation to a Ghost Walk first and then Are the Peralta Stone Maps a Hoax?

I'm curious as to why you call them the Peralta Stone Maps. Care to elaborate?

 

[Steve Bowser]

I'm curious as to why you call them the Peralta Stone Maps. Care to elaborate?

Hi Deducer,

I think Peralta Stone Maps is a fairly common name for them and most people know immediately what one is referring to when using that moniker. Also, Bernice and Jack McGee used that name in the title of their article Are the Peralta Stone Maps a Hoax?

Steve

 

[cuzimloony]

I am aware of all the treasure symbols I study them for a long time. Thank you all for the advice but I really didn’t ask for it. Just looking for one person…… to join me with whom I may share more details

I agree with this.

"Anyone want to go on a stone tablet adventure with me?" is met with "youre wasting your time. Fake fake fake," and then they act like they're doing you a favor.
Lame.
All they really needed to do was was move along without trying to discourage you.

Ill go on the adventure if you come down. Real or not, I dont give a .... Im down for the adventure. Every time Im in the sups looking for one thing, something else pops up. Its always an adventure.
Use their naysaying as motivation. Do your thing. Have your adventure. Find your own clues. Follow your hunches. Learn where you can. Ignore what you need to.

And again, to answer what you originally wanted to know ..... Ill go!

 

[cuzimloony]

Probably not what you want to hear or anybody else would recommend, but it would probably work better for you if you planned to go in on your own. Take a gun and a satellite phone, a walking stick and a water filter pump, ditch that big tent and go in with the least amount of gear possible after a rain in March/April, Oct/Nov. Get some good leather boots and trim your toe nails.

This ^^^^
Treasure hunting in the sups is a lonely venture.......

 

[deducer]

Hi Deducer,

I think Peralta Stone Maps is a fairly common name for them and most people know immediately what one is referring to when using that moniker. Also, Bernice and Jack McGee used that name in the title of their article Are the Peralta Stone Maps a Hoax?

Steve

The first public association of the Stone Maps with the Peraltas was made in the June 12, 1964 Life article "Mysterious Maps to Lost Gold" By Richard B. Stolley. The article was a complete work of fiction, but the association stuck and grew in widespread use after that. Ironically that same association is now often what is used to discredit the Stone Maps.

As the old saying goes, "two wrongs will not make one right."

One must remember, however, that Travis Tumlinson, the one man who spent the most time, money, and effort on the Stone Maps, never once referred to them as the Peralta Stone Maps.

 

[cuzimloony]

The first public association of the Stone Maps with the Peraltas was made in the June 12, 1964 Life article "Mysterious Maps to Lost Gold" By Richard B. Stolley. The article was a complete work of fiction, but the association stuck and grew in widespread use after that. Ironically that same association is now often what is used to discredit the Stone Maps.

As the old saying goes, "two wrongs will not make one right."

One must remember, however, that Travis Tumlinson, the one man who spent the most time, money, and effort on the Stone Maps, never once referred to them as the Peralta Stone Maps.

I think, and could be wrong, that most people here realize they're not really related to the Peraltas, but just got the name stuck to it.

I personally dont even believe the Peralta family existed so not only is the stone questionable to me...but so is the "mining family" it's supposedly named after. Well, to clarify my pov a bit....Peraltas DO exist, its just that nobody can prove there was a mining family from Mexico named Peralta that had mines in the Sups, as far as I can see. Its a bunch of hunches and circumstancial evidence...and the physical evidence leaves us lacking.
There was a massacre, gold was found, horse saddles were found! Trust us! "Oh yeah, where is it all?" Hey... I said trust us! Listen to this cool story guy! ....and thats how it goes.

The Peralta Land Grant was a major deal. A major chunck of the western US was going to be owned by one single man named Reavis (a distant relative of the same Reavis of dutchman fame.....nothing to see here). The story was written in papers from coast-to-coast for about a decade if I remember right (more than enough time for the legend to 'stick'). Within 10 years everyone had "Peralta Land Grant" on their lips. The only problem was....Reavis made the whole thing up. All of it. It was a Confederate land grab and he forged documents in MX and Spain to make it happen. But....after 10 years of "Peralta Land Grant" in the news everywhere, even though the Peraltas in this story were 100% made-up by Reavis, everyone thinks his story is real and that there are Peralta mines in the Sups. Thanks Reavis!
FYI, not all Mexican miners have the same last name....

Why would Reavis just use Peralta's name and not a series of last names? Well, if you can consolidate all the names into one, Peralta, then you only have to forge 1 last name and not a series of them. "Therefore ALL of the mines in the Sups belong to this one Peralta family and now they are all gifted to me...says so right here on this spanish land grant." See how that works?

In modern times, it should be easy to see how in a very short time, less than 10 years with sophisticated modern-day propoganda, the media can make people rabidly believe absurdities. Women can be men right!! And they will take that belief, no matter how silly, to the grave.

Same with the Peralta Mines.

Are their mines in the Sups? Obviously, yes.
Were Mexican miners in the Sups? Obviously, yes. Did they all come from one family named Peralta? So the story goes....... Thanks Reavis!

 

[SPARTANOC]

Wait, show me evidence it ever existed. Goldfield is real. Look it up.

Well - there seems to be ample evidence from the past, that would suggest it DOES exist. The problem I see with most, is a down right refusal of it's existence without actually diving deep into the matter, or they have, but came up empty and then coming to a result of; "Well, nothing can be found, it must NOT exist".

I guess you'll be surprised one day, as it will reveal itself by one that, won't except defeat.

It does seem in the Treasure hunting world, that there's an ongoing campaign of disinformation OR discouragement in looking at certain areas. Maybe that's just a tactic to keep some away from said areas. Who knows...

Goldfield is/was real, of course. But that's the past and Goldfield isn't the only area of interest. What I've found through all of this, is many just refuse to look further than Goldfield, in believing that Goldfield was the ONLY area to produce gold on the West side. Do you honestly think - Goldfield was the center of all gold? I would think not. As we all know - gold is where you find it.

I'm still though - waiting for your evidence that would suggest, we are all wasting our time in looking for the LDM. Just saying something isn't grounded in truth. You've got to show your position on what you are sure of.

What I can say is this; there are many things out there that are bogus in regards to the LDM and as we all know, many have made claims of finding it - but never show anything that would backup their statement.

I also understand - that if someone DID find the LDM, and if they're smart - say nothing.

Are you one - that's saying nothing?

-SpartanOC

 

[Matthew Roberts]

Strange looking stone maps did not just appear out of the blue with the Tumlinson stone maps in 1949.
In October 4, 1887 Rafel Grijalba brought with him to Phoenix a strange square stone he found in Mexico with drawings and letters similar to Tumlinsons stones.
The stone was placed in the window of Goldman's mercantile store in downtown Phoenix for all to view. There are no photographs of Grijalba's stone but the Grijalba family are still in Phoenix and California any may know what became of the stone.
Like the Tumlinson stones it was speculated the Grijalba stone was somehow linked to Spanish mining.

 

[DizzyDigger]

Adventurewithpurpose:

Please be aware that there is a lot of hiking/climbing with gear involved and experience is a must, i am talking like hardcore endurance.

I know I tried to talk you out of going, but after thinkin' on this awhile, I'm hoping you'll get a chance to go.

Even if your theories turn out to be a bust, you'll still have the adventure of a lifetime, and the memories to go with it.

Prepare well, be safe and cautious, and have a great trip. Not all of us can make that kind of trip any longer, and I for one would look forward to reading about it after your return.

 

[ancientones]

Ya that’s no fun. I am not stranger to that. Once I took my 3brothers along and went 4hours bushwhacking into the wild Canadian mountains, one of my brothers is diabetic and didn’t take care of his insulin and went into shock,….. I had to leave all my gear behind and run for help only with small pack of water, made it back in 2 hours….. didn’t had satellite sos back then but gps app to save the location . The SAR took him out with the helicopter within one hour, luckily all my gear too.

Hello,
I may be of some assistance, am too old to hike out there again. Jacob Waltz advised his mine was within a 5 mile circle of Weavers Needle, he also advised Weavers Needle was due South. Adolph Ruth said "It lies within a 5 mile circle with Weavers Needle at its center, a tall volcanic peak...". Which clue do you follow?
The Peralta Stones may be fake, but the symbols on them are true Mexican mine/trail symbols and same can be seen out here with Google Earth. These are along their mule trails so these are not fake. Do you believe the story that Jacob and his partner came upon Mexicans working a mine(like the Sombrero)? Have you seen these on GE?
Than you