David and the Peralta stone maps.

[cactusjumper]

Good morning Paul,

"Wow! That's a generous assessment of some of us, and quite a compliment however I echo CJ's comment that none of us here would ever consider ourselves to be professionals on either the LDM or the Peralta Stones. I'm assuming of course that your statement wasn't meant to be sarcastic".
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I think it's completely understandable that David would consider everyone here to be professionals when it comes to the LDM and the Superstition Mountains. Not surprising at all.

Take care,

Joe

 

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[Ponchosportal]

Welcome to Treasurenet Ponchosportal!

Hola Oroblanco and thank you for the warm Tnet welcome; I have been a Tnet member for a few years and have lurked and read and enjoyed this site greatly for many years before becoming a member. I am not a frequent poster and find that most times I will not express my oppinions simply because I have them. But there are times when I just can't help myself and will likely chime in.

Keep up the good work!

Via con dios mi amigo,
Poncho

 

[Quinan Bear]

QB,
You mentioned that you see three "wikiups" in the photo. I am familiar with the term, are you saying that you see traditional Apache wikiups in that photo?
Thanks,
Bill

No, they are in a different photo. I never posted that one.

 

[BILL96]

QB,
Are you saying that you do see Wikiups? or am I misunderstanding your use of the word?

Bill

 

[cactusjumper]

David,

"No, they are in a different photo. I never posted that one."

I have no doubts that everyone here would like to see that photo. Any reason why you haven't posted it? Are the boulders themselves shaped like wickiups, or is it something else?

Thanks in advance,

Joe

 

[Quinan Bear]

All I will say, is that the 3 points that are in the cliff to the North, The Face on the western canyon that looks into the cave and the 3 wikiups to the west, are all made of the same type rock.

 

[cactusjumper]

David,

And you know this because........?

Joe

 

[Quinan Bear]

I say this because..... I know that they are of all the same type rock.
I know what the "red" rock is that was used as a guide him to the area as well, but you already know where it is, so it's all good.

 

[Oroblanco]

Hola amigos,
This is a very long reply, so I must beg your indulgence (or just skip ahead)
Quinan Bear wrote

I appears to me that you guys are all professionals, when it comes to the LDM and the Peralta stones.
No matter what is said about them, you dismiss it in any way that you can. So you can dismiss me all you want. I stand firm on my knowledge of those stones.

As our mutual friends have already replied to this largely, I would only add this - I have told you what I want to see before I "grant the honors" to anyone who says he/she has found the LDM. If you had researched this subject much before making your claims, you would have realized that MANY have already claimed to have found the Lost Dutchman Mine - but without the GOLD (and it is after all, a lost gold mine) they might as well claim that they found Santa Claus' house. You have a partner/helper who will help field-check your sites, perhaps he or she will find the very evidence needed to prove you are right? (As in gold and-or gold ore) Don't take it as anything personal if some of us don't agree with what you see, it is what you also do - look at what you said to our mutual amigo Santa Fe NM about his finds, you don't believe that he has found the LDM either. it isn't anything personal - and just like us, you have a hard time believing it when someone says they found the LDM and don't have the GOLD to show for it.

Anyway just keep in mind that you are among friends here amigo, fellow treasure hunters not so different from yourself, whether we do our hunting with a satellite, metal detector, forked stick or gold pan we are all actually doing the same thing.

Old Dog wrote

I know what you mean. a desert rat like myself goes into withdrawl pretty quick between work and weather. LOL

UGH! Sheesh buddy using such foul language - that dirty, four-letter word! (WORK - the bane of the drinking class!) This is after all, a family oriented site! (heh heh) It helps to know that you can empathize, and man I sure wish this wind-snap would give us a break already. I hope you are having better weather than we are, and getting a chance to do some 'diggin' too!

Ponchosportal wrote

Hola Oroblanco and thank you for the warm Tnet welcome; I have been a Tnet member for a few years and have lurked and read and enjoyed this site greatly for many years before becoming a member. I am not a frequent poster and find that most times I will not express my oppinions simply because I have them. But there are times when I just can't help myself and will likely chime in.

Keep up the good work!

Via con dios mi amigo,

Oops - sorry about that amigo, I didn't check out your profile to see if you really are NEW or not, just noticed that it said 'new member' with only a few posts and assumed you are new. This is what happens when I start assuming things! Anyway sorry I have not welcomed you MUCH sooner, and for such a silly error - that said, I still look forward to reading more of your words.

Roy ~ Oroblanco

 

[Ponchosportal]

"Oops - sorry about that amigo, I didn't check out your profile to see if you really are NEW or not, just noticed that it said 'new member' with only a few posts and assumed you are new. This is what happens when I start assuming things! Anyway sorry I have not welcomed you MUCH sooner, and for such a silly error - that said, I still look forward to reading more of your words.

Roy ~ Oroblanco"


LOL

I owe this site so much for having enriched my life with education that money can't buy that your oops was not even noticed my friend.


That said .......

Carry on gentlemen.

Poncho

 

[cactusjumper]

Poncho,

For the most part....we do have a good time here. After all, it's everyone's favorite subject.

Your participation in "Treasure Legends" is more than welcome.

Take care,

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Oroblanco]

Cactusjumper wrote

After all, it's everyone's favorite subject

Well as much as I hate to say it, I respectfully disagree. These Peralta stones are definitely not my favorite topic, not even in the top 10. Been following this out of curiosity, but so far it looks very much like all the other previous claimants to having found the LDM.

In fact, I think I have had a belly full of T-net, and will take a vacation from it. I do have other things that demand attention, even some that can be done in the evenings. Will stop back in a few days or whenever. Good luck and good hunting to you all, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.

Oroblanco

 

[Quinan Bear]

Oroblanco;

I found this photo and thought I would share it with you and all. It is how some people did their minning in the 1800's and could be what you call a "Ball court".
The first picture is what you posted.

 

[BenThereDoneThat]

I have circled the LDM in the drawing, This is absolute proof that "I" have now found it! I am the only one that can read this drawing and know the exact place where it can be found.......Over the next few weeks i will give everyone clues (that will amaze you) and my name will be attached to the HISTORY OF THE GREAT SOUTHWEST FOREVER!!!! Just look at the picture, it tells the whole story.

 

[BenThereDoneThat]

I couldnt resist the temptation to poke a little fun.

 

[somehiker]

Hi TP:
Kinda thought that your discovery had a hole in it.

Hi Roy:
Joe is right....occasionally. The stone maps are a popular subject,largely due to the publicity that they have received and the controversy that follows them wherever they are and whenever they are discussed.They draw far greater attention that any of the other maps that are associated with the Superstitions and lost treasure,be it rich mines or other wealth.It is difficult to ignore the stones for many who have spent much time among the canyons and peaks of those mountains.Some who have tried to solve them have shared their findings and theories with us and others have not.Some of the more outlandish claims are,at least,a trigger for our sense of humour and often result in comments such as our friend T.P. just submitted.Neither David nor anyone else should have such a thin skin as to be offended by a bit of gentle ribbing.

Hi QB:
The first photo,as you have explained,is one of a pre-columbian ball court.There are over a thousand that have been identified throughout the Mississippi watershed,the southwest and Central America.They are called ball courts because that is was they are and they have no connection to mining at all.
The drawing is one of what is usually called an arrastra.Part of the refining (patio) process for ore of several kinds,including gold,this drawing shows the introduction of water to the arrastra in order to create a slurry.If you term search "patio process" you can learn more,as well as see how ball courts are a different "kettle of fish".

Here is an older photo from a collection in Phoenix that shows what may be a pre-columbian version of an arrastra,identified by archaeologists as Salado/Hohokam in origin.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

You forgot the important part Parker.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Quinan Bear]

How about we add a vein of quartz, with 20% gold to pay for the grub and grog.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

some hiker: good morning my friend: I believe that your Archaeologists are far off base.

A) No center pivot post hole.

B) No capacity for the work involved.

C) The drag stones, if used, would be too small to have enough weight to actually work efficiently..

D) who, or what, would use the excavated outer wear paths?

E) Notice the postholes for erecting a roof. The rings were prob for seating comfortably.


Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

HI David: where did you get the picture of my Los Remedios mine?

Don Jose de La Mancha