Video 6 - On Tumlinsons Trail : The Peralta Stone Maps

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Ya mean ?? Uncle Matt

 

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[KXMember]

Dig,

blaming Masons, Templers, KGC, or another other group is the easy way out for some folks. Its their go to answer when cornered. When you see researchers pull out the "Mason card" you know they have reached the end of their ability to justify their pet theory. Absolves them of any further personal duties to logically present their case. Its the current trend. Its somebody else's fault that the proof positive piece of the information they need is being withheld from them.

In any discussion that stone walls at "the Masons did it" means that side of the discussion is out of answers.

Unfortunately you haven't reached a level that brought that kind of information to the table. The normal joe will see things as you do. Going beyond where you've been will synchronistically lead you to something more and if you are truly an experienced researcher then you will expand your train of thought to areas you never thought you'd go.

 

[UncleMatt]

How did I know it would take ten seconds for people to prove Lynda and I correct....

 

[Hal Croves]

Dig,

blaming Masons, Templers, KGC, or another other group is the easy way out for some folks. Its their go to answer when cornered. When you see researchers pull out the "Mason card" you know they have reached the end of their ability to justify their pet theory. Absolves them of any further personal duties to logically present their case. Its the current trend. Its somebody else's fault that the proof positive piece of the information they need is being withheld from them.

In any discussion that stone walls at "the Masons did it" means that side of the discussion is out of answers.

Old,
In most instances I would tend to agree with you. However, don't close the door on a Masonic connection just yet. As one of the more intelligent members on this site I encourage you to remain cautious, even skeptical but please, try and keep an open mind until you have had a chance to weigh the evidence.

 

[releventchair]

That is one thing that has been a question for me all along.... If these Maps are In Fact a treasure map, why hasn't anyone found the treasure? And Why doesn't anyone Agree with what it states and/or points to?
Whomever made these maps, I am very happy they had nothing to do with Rand McNally...could you imagine? Everyone would be driving in circles going nowhere! [emoji23]

I had the fortune of an internet mapping system accepting my correction. Road ends here and does not continue to another as was previously shown and did confuse people.

Why has no one found treasure? I'll go with why has no one proven the maps lead to anything,(no offence to those that are content with their results).
If the maps are approached like a unknown how to open to most folks special type of combination lock, with numbers letters or symbols that need to be used in a sequence, then the symbols need to be recognized first. Then the sequence with some locks requiring reverses of direction and others not.
Were I devious and sold you a lock with the combination written on a piece of paper, and had changed a number, or the sequence, or added a number...the possible combinations you would have to try become multiplied greatly.
While you would be trying to sort it out, I would have that time to search for what you wanted to lock up.
A rough comparison admittedly and not proof of deliberate fraud, but when the information does not seem to work a flaw in it is suspected,adding to the problem.
Once convinced it's not workable the source becomes the suspect.

 

[Hal Croves]

Unfortunately you haven't reached a level that brought that kind of information to the table. The normal joe will see things as you do. Going beyond where you've been will synchronistically lead you to something more and if you are truly an experienced researcher then you will expand your train of thought to areas you never thought you'd go.

I like this post. No name calling or personal attacks and every word rings true.
Well done.

 

[Roadhse2]

Simple question for a statement made...Cowans/Tylers/Stone maps.....

Whats the link?

New guy here that has been reading all of this for months.....and there seems to be so much hocus pocus going on that is contrived to keep things confused...My brain works with facts, not fantasy's, so was hoping to have this answered...

Thanks, Glen

 

[Hal Croves]

Hal, I would be interested in hearing how the stacked stone builders, Cowans....and the guardians of the gate, Tylers...tie into the stone maps.

Thanks, Glen

Glen,



Then round and round me did tie,
A noble ancient charm,
All future darkness to defy,
And ward off the Cowans harm.


From the Regular Grand Lodge of England


A Cowan or a Drydyker is or was used, in Speculative Masonry, to describe an un-welcomed, inquisitive non-mason.


Ezekliel 13:10-15]

10 Because, even because they have seduced my people, saying, Peace; and there was no peace; and one built up a wall, and, lo, others daubed it with untempered morter: 11 Say unto them which daub it with untempered morter, that it shall fall: there shall be an overflowing shower; and ye, O great hailstones, shall fall; and a stormy wind shall rend it. 12 Lo, when the wall is fallen, shall it not be said unto you, Where is the daubing wherewith ye have daubed it? 13 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even rend it with a stormy wind in my fury; and there shall be an overflowing shower in mine anger, and great hailstones in my fury to consume it. 14 So will I break down the wall that ye have daubed with untempered morter, and bring it down to the ground, so that the foundation thereof shall be discovered, and it shall fall, and ye shall be consumed in the midst thereof: and ye shall know that I am the LORD. 15 Thus will I accomplish my wrath upon the wall, and upon them that have daubed it with untempered morter, and will say unto you, The wall is no more, neither they that daubed it;


In reality, the Cowans, (Drydykers) and their knowledge are far more ancient than that of Speculative Masonry.

”Cowan is an essentially Scottish trade term, and it belongs to the time when lodges, as trade-controlling bodies, put restrictions against the employment of cowans, in order to protect the fully-trained men of the Craft from competition by unskilled labour. The earliest official ban against cowans appeared in the Schaw Statutes in 1598.”


Brother Harry Carr


There are those who feel that the term was lifted (adopted) from the Wiccan religion. This is why I questioned Frank (a Mason) about his Wiccan like bracelet.


Used in Masonic ritual:


The door is tyled, Right Worshipful.
H. W. M.--How tyled?
J. D.--Within the outer door, by a brother of this Degree, with a drawn sword in his hand.
R. W. M.--His duty there?
J. D.--To keep off all cowans and eavesdroppers, see that none pass or repass without due qualification, or permission from the Right Worshipful


So, a Cowan, as I use the word, is an outsider. A Tyler, someone who works to exclude Cowans from the secrets of Masonry.


Here is what I believe happened.


The stone maps (or their location) were discovered by someone connected to or actively involved in Freemasonry. After retrieving the maps (date unknown), this small group of treasure hunters (Masons) struggled for years trying to decipher the strange inscriptions. Just before the outbreak of World War I, a new partner (a Mason) became involved and went public with his efforts to decipher the maps. The story apparently faded away until the death of the unsuccessful new partner in 1956. It's not proven however, 1956/57 (IMO) may actual be the year that Travis took possession of the stones. Others here, far more knowledgable than I, might confirm that idea. The heart stone with its zeros (predating Travis) and perhaps the two trail stones are authentic Spanish or Mexican treasure maps. Travis understood this but like the Masonic treasure hunters before him, his efforts to read the maps were again, unsuccessful and he passed away a broken man. READ the last page of his manuscript again. The rest is a somewhat known history.


Is it a Masonic conspiracy? Perhaps not but it was certainly a protected secret among a small group of treasure hunters that just happened to be Freemasons. Sound familiar?


The article that I struggled to write is currently being professionally edited. Once that's done and the article translated, it will be made public.


So, if you are wondering, I am (among other things) a devout Drydyker (Cowan) fascinated with and chasing after the Hassayampa.


A word of caution. Don't believe anything that I write without first confirming it for yourself. Be suspicious, and where possible, fact check everything.

 

[UncleMatt]

Ppeople always want to pretend their pet perspective or theories are applicable to every single situation. They attempt to give them weight by attaching them to unrelated things to give the appearance of validity.

 

[Azquester]

Take the 8-N-P for example.

It looks added on after the fact by lite scratches to the surface of the stone. If those symbols were not meant to be on the maps why are they at the end of my journey near at least one of the Gold Mines I've explored?


At the southern monument of the cross at has a reverse "P" papal cross made out of a crack in the rocks and terminates with an "x" at the bottom.
Next to that is an "8". Above the "P" is a drill hole as a measuring point. The cross is laid out on a true north (Northern Star) trajectory. This is all on top of a Skull shaped rock about the size of an old Volkswagon. The distance between the cross points is around 230.875 feet x 8 =1847. You go north past the river 8 degrees from the cross monument and it takes you to an old gold mine shaft.

Just an example.

Are some of the symbols enhanced or fabricated?

Maybe on the trail maps not so on the HP map.

In my opinion.





80257]{sigh}OK....do you believe that the stones allegedly found by Travis, were discovered with the EXACT same markings that are shown today, OR, do you believe that some markings were Added post discovery?[/QUOTE]

 

[Old]

Hal and KX,

I am open to any new revelations. You got it, bring it. I'm totally open to your twist on the story. That's what discovery is all about.

What I'm not accepting is,,,,,,"masons did it" without any collaborating evidence. Just a "trust me" statement. That's a very hollow stance and used all too often to stymie opposing views.

 

[KXMember]

I had the fortune of an internet mapping system accepting my correction. Road ends here and does not continue to another as was previously shown and did confuse people.

Why has no one found treasure? I'll go with why has no one proven the maps lead to anything,(no offence to those that are content with their results).
If the maps are approached like a unknown how to open to most folks special type of combination lock, with numbers letters or symbols that need to be used in a sequence, then the symbols need to be recognized first. Then the sequence with some locks requiring reverses of direction and others not.
Were I devious and sold you a lock with the combination written on a piece of paper, and had changed a number, or the sequence, or added a number...the possible combinations you would have to try become multiplied greatly.
While you would be trying to sort it out, I would have that time to search for what you wanted to lock up.
A rough comparison admittedly and not proof of deliberate fraud, but when the information does not seem to work a flaw in it is suspected,adding to the problem.
Once convinced it's not workable the source becomes the suspect.

In my experience so far in the crowd of "treasure hunters" is that most seem to think that they can go out with a metal detector, shovel and pick axe to open up these sites. Well, majority of the time, this just isn't the case. Some of these sites are 100-1500ft+ under ground or into a mountain and one would need to get through a death trap or a few, while also knowing how to break that death trap. Wanna get into death traps, that's another thread.
I'd suggest a book called De Re Metallica. Last edited version was done by President Hoover and his wife. The book is from the 1500's and they even speak of the ancient methods. Some of these mountains, hills ect. Can be giant honeycombs of a maze.
Each of these groups that relocated these sites over time opened, took treasure and added treasure, re-death trapped, closed and remarked these sites. So, this also means that many different versions of maps exist to the same sites all over the world.
There is also significant reason why we have Forrest Service, National Parks, National Forests, BLM ect. And it's not to necessarily protect wildlife. Areas are monitored and protected for what's there. As well as some of the greatest, most mythical sites being in some of the most desolate areas for a reason. If you'd ask locals in NM or AZ ect. where they would never live, you'd might wanna start searching those areas as well.

 

[Azquester]

With the Peralta Maps the Terrain is matched to the maps not the other way around. You don't reverse the Maps you reverse the terrain where the maps lead you with the symbols created within. The Maps aren't the key just the door.

The keys lay at the sites the maps were made to represent or mimic many different types of abstract monuments. But it is all based off free masonry of the knights Templar. The men that set up the sites for the mines used the maps as a guide tool for the end point of entry whether that be booby trapped or a Pozo it was a guiding light a northern star for the survey crews and slave masters. Each campsite was a prospect used for training. The were excellent at antiquing rock to make it look as if it was there for millions of years so when you see lichen it only shows they had the ability to paste various colors of lichen on rock like Ted DeGrazia painted a portrait.

 

[KXMember]

Hal and KX,

I am open to any new revelations. You got it, bring it. I'm totally open to your twist on the story. That's what discovery is all about.

What I'm not accepting is,,,,,,"masons did it" without any collaborating evidence. Just a "trust me" statement. That's a very hollow stance and used all too often to stymie opposing views.

Please feel free to dig through some of our photos and comments on those photos for further explanation and examples.

 

[KXMember]

With the Peralta Maps the Terrain is matched to the maps not the other way around. You don't reverse the Maps you reverse the terrain where the maps lead you with the symbols created within. The Maps aren't the key just the door.

The keys lay at the sites the maps were made to represent or mimic many different types of abstract monuments. But it is all based off free masonry of the knights Templar. The men that set up the sites for the mines used the maps as a guide tool for the end point of entry whether that be booby trapped or a Pozo it was a guiding light a northern star for the survey crews and slave masters. Each campsite was a prospect used for training. The were excellent at antiquing rock to make it look as if it was there for millions of years so when you see lichen it only shows they had the ability to paste various colors of lichen on rock like Ted DeGrazia painted a portrait.

Indeed...but also there can be multiple templates on one site as I said in previous comment. Also, they used many forms of Crete that looks natural but really covers a doorway ect. As an example please refer to pics. One pic is in Kuskurza the Hopi 3rd step and the other is a Spanish Jesuit site.View attachment 1179618View attachment 1179619View attachment 1179620View attachment 1179623

 

[Las Vegas Bob]

Old,
As one of the more intelligent members on this site I encourage you to remain cautious, even skeptical but please, try and keep an open mind until you have had a chance to weigh the evidence. QUOTE]

And the attitude forecast for this form has turned to blusterer. [h=1][/h][h=1][/h]

 

[Hal Croves]

Ppeople always want to pretend their pet perspective or theories are applicable to every single situation. They attempt to give them weight by attaching them to unrelated things to give the appearance of validity.

For example?

 

[Hal Croves]

Old,
As one of the more intelligent members on this site I encourage you to remain cautious, even skeptical but please, try and keep an open mind until you have had a chance to weigh the evidence. QUOTE]

And the attitude forecast for this form has turned to blusterer.

Being able to forecast future events is a gift. You are a blessed man.

 

[deducer]

 

[releventchair]

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Ahh haa!
French Masons built the station....