Video 6 - On Tumlinsons Trail : The Peralta Stone Maps

[captain1965]

This could also explain why there's no picture of the H/P stone on the bumper.

 

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[coazon de oro]

"there is no way to chip stone and get the same identical results."

You have that part right, anyway, Homar


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That's a great example of what light changes when shined from a different angle.

Homar

 

[captain1965]

That's a great example of what light changes when shined from a different angle.

Homar

 

[coazon de oro]

This could also explain why there's no picture of the H/P stone on the bumper.

Howdy Captain,

The reason that the H/P stone is not in the bumper picture is because he found it about a year earlier. He was able to understand the instructions to look for the other stones in the same hole. The H/P stone was left at home when he went to look for the other stones.

Homar

 

[RG1976]

Howdy Captain,

The reason that the H/P stone is not in the bumper picture is because he found it about a year earlier. He was able to understand the instructions to look for the other stones in the same hole. The H/P stone was left at home when he went to look for the other stones.

Homar

Source?

 

[captain1965]

Howdy Captain,

The reason that the H/P stone is not in the bumper picture is because he found it about a year earlier. He was able to understand the instructions to look for the other stones in the same hole. The H/P stone was left at home when he went to look for the other stones.

Homar

It was also said he used the H/P stone to predict the trail stones. Did he not use the H/P stone in the field? Was it not important enough to take a pic of it?

Thanks
Jon

 

[coazon de oro]

It was also said he used the H/P stone to predict the trail stones. Did he not use the H/P stone in the field? Was it not important enough to take a pic of it?

Thanks
Jon

Howdy Jon,

I don't believe he took any of the stones into the field. Did he apply the H/P stone to the maps solve? More than likely, they are a set, and no one can find the mine without knowing what they mean. We don't know if he took pictures of the H/P stone, we are just lucky that the bumper photo was photographed, and that that photo survived.

Homar

 

[somehiker]

An older post....

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[Hal Croves]

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Nice Picture!
Do you ever think that the museum staff will receive a public apology?
Honestly, it seems late in coming.

And the proverbial SMOKING GUN!
Nonsense.


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[captain1965]

I don't think an apology in needed. Qualifying evidence is an important part of the process. Plus it keeps us on our toes. Ryan is stimulating the conversation and we all learn something new.

 

[Hal Croves]

I don't think an apology in needed. Qualifying evidence is an important part of the process. Plus it keeps us on our toes. Ryan is stimulating the conversation and we all learn something new.

Yes. Stimulating, I agree. All intelligent conversation is good conversation.
The apology that I had hoped to see has nothing to do with Ryan, his work or, his conclusions.


At this point, the staff may not even care.

 

[somehiker]

There is a notch on the museum stone as well Hal. Always was.
But it's not as deep and well defined as the one in the B/W photo.
Which is why it becomes harder to see under certain lighting and viewing angles, and as Homar said, the sand it rests on can obscure most of it.
There are other differences however, and the one which makes the most difference to myself is this one.......

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[Las Vegas Bob]

When I first went into the Superstitions in the early 1960's I remember that Weavers Needle was also referred to as El Sombrero by some of the DH's I met. And I do believe that some people still refer to it as El Sombrero and to me from this view Weavers Needle looks just like the hat the so called "witch" is wearing as well it looks like a Sombrero.

 

[Hal Croves]

There is a notch on the museum stone as well Hal. Always was.
But it's not as deep and well defined as the one in the B/W photo.
Which is why it becomes harder to see under certain lighting and viewing angles, and as Homar said, the sand it rests on can obscure most of it.
There are other differences however, and the one which makes the most difference to myself is this one.......

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For clarity sake, it would be helpful to label which photograph is which if you are using two different photographs.
You obviously posted to convince us of the differences but, I would need to see a side by side visual with an explanation to understand what it is that you are seeing.


I think that your effort with Coxco is worth another try.

 

[somehiker]

I drew a blank with the Coxco official I exchanged e-mails with Hal.
If you think another attempt might bear fruit, go for it.

The crop on the left is from the bordered copy of the photo that Glover used.
The smaller and higher hole happens to have a shadow pattern the same as the larger hole, which would indicate that it is not the result of damage to the original photo.
Down below, on the B/W photo, which Richard Robinson used in the article I posted earlier, ( one of the stones held by the AMMM and used by him to make the first latex molds of all of the stones ) the circle in circle is clearly smaller in diameter than the one on the bumper photo stone.

 

[somehiker]

That old photo of the trail stones on the bumper wasn't of much value to me initially. It is after all, damaged and of relatively poor resolution.
So I saved a copy in a "other photos" file.
But after exploring the area which I believe applies to the maps, I had an extra hole which didn't make any sense.
It does now.

Regards:SH.

 

[Hal Croves]

I drew a blank with the Coxco official I exchanged e-mails with Hal.
If you think another attempt might bear fruit, go for it.

The crop on the left is from the bordered copy of the photo that Glover used.
The smaller and higher hole happens to have a shadow pattern the same as the larger hole, which would indicate that it is not the result of damage to the original photo.
Down below, on the B/W photo, which Richard Robinson used in the article I posted earlier, ( one of the stones held by the AMMM and used by him to make the first latex molds of all of the stones ) the circle in circle is clearly smaller in diameter than the one on the bumper photo stone.

Sure. Why not.
Do you mind PMing the Coxco contact info?

 

[UncleMatt]

I am amused at the suggestion some kind of apology is owed the museum. I was just there, accompanied by Ryan, and we were warmly welcomed. The head honcho there took us into the back himself, and we weren't even charged for admission. And he referred to the maps as "those rocks". I never got the impression Ryan was considered a threat to the museum in any way, in fact just the opposite.

 

[Hal Croves]

I am amused at the suggestion some kind of apology is owed the museum. I was just there, accompanied by Ryan, and we were warmly welcomed. The head honcho there took us into the back himself, and we weren't even charged for admission. And he referred to the maps as "those rocks". I never got the impression Ryan was considered a threat to the museum in any way, in fact just the opposite.

Your amusement will be short lived and replaced by embarrassment once you slow down and take the time to read that post and the follow up post again.

Of course Ryan is welcomed. The museum is staffed by great people who are extremely welcoming.
Those rocks sounds about right. That's all they are.

Tell us, did you ask? Are they the original stones on display? What about the back room where the original originals are kept and sold for private viewing, does it exist?

 

[azdave35]

Your amusement will be short lived and replaced by embarrassment once you slow down and take the time to read that post and the follow up post again.

Of course Ryan is welcomed. The museum is staffed by great people who are extremely welcoming.
Those rocks sounds about right. That's all they are.

Tell us, did you ask? Are they the original stones on display? What about the back room where the original originals are kept and sold for private viewing, does it exist?

hal..that museum could care less if those maps are real or fake...they are just on loan to them