The Tumacacori Treasure Room and Mines

[djui5]

HI Djuicy, go help find tre Virgn de Guadalupe treasure, then the Lost dutchman then help open up some of the Tayopa mines.

Don Jose de La Mancha

Dutchman first

 

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[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Gentlemen the potential list is being made up.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Quinan Bear]

I know of a treasure that was loaded onto a thousand mules or more and then buried in the tumacacori mountains. Is this the same treasure ? because the tales passed down in my family is that the treasure lies in a maze of tunnels, with four entrances. If you wish to know more please email me at [email protected]
thank you.

 

[gollum]

Planning that trip is wonderful, but I hope you keep in mind that between Gary Oliver and Scott Garrison, they have pretty much the entire Javelin Canyon Area under claim.

Then there's Rock Corral Canyon just over the saddle, and Tayopa, I don't believe that our friend and all his partners there would like to see anybody digging on his claim.

Best-Mike

 

[Quinan Bear]

I will give out co-ordinates to four mine entrances that are in the tumacacori mountain range, All i need is to know that I will be given some kind of bonus for this info, once it has been shown to be accurate. Keep in mind that these entrances were all sealed off years ago and will require some digging to get to the entrances, you will see that once your there that the stones around you are all jagged and sharp as if blown apart, not worn away with smooth edges as if dragged or scraped by wear and tear of weather.

Just a note to those who don't know "The lost dutchman's mine has been found already" But a large treasure still over looks the city of phoenix and waits to be discovered, This treasure is from Brazil and many tribes aided in stashing it. It was hide to keep it from the Spainish.

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

good afternoon My friend Gollum: As for our mutual friend, relax, he is just a huge puddy cat snicker. He even gets private pools for his doggie to play in, and the last that I saw, she had 20 tennis balls laying around.

He is the only person that I know of, that cooks gourmet Italian meals foir his doggie. Incidentally, did he serve you one?? I am still waiting for my first cup of coffee.

But you are correct, he is an excellent shot and has been known to ----------------> R.I.P.


Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[CanadianTrout]

I'm just curious... is anyone even listening to Quinan Bear? He has made two "offers" of treasure leads and yet the discussion goes on around him like he's not here. lol

I'm supposing there is a reason for this? Probably the reason I fear.... he's either trolling or there are PM's flying around....

 

[gollum]

Trout,

I don't know about PMs. There is an issue with his saying there are four mines in the Tumcacoris. Although there are great numbers of silver and gold mines in the area (mostly silver), the Tums are not mineralised. That means there are no precious metals there.

But not to worry. I know that a couple of people here who are involved will likely email Quinan Bear. If for no other reason, than to see just how close he may be (they are already pretty close IMO).

Best-Mike

 

[CanadianTrout]

Cool, thanks for the info Mikey! Appreciate it.

 

[gollum]

No Problem CT,

One thing I can assure you of, there are a lot of people who watch this forum. Many of them choose not to post for various reasons, but when somebody posts that they have certain knowledge, those lurkers sometimes choose to come out of the dark. I can tell you that if and when they contact those people claiming knowledge, they can tell in one or two emails if that person is full of it or not.

Best-Mike

 

[Quinan Bear]

Just to let you know. When I first posted on this site it was the first time on this site.
I liked it because it people here are interested in the same things as I am. So I posted my info to see if anyone would be a friend and aid me in finding this lost treasure so that it can be used to help people out, instead of rotting away in some cave, never to be seen.
If you want my info, all you need to do is just ask.
The reason I don't go there my self and look for the treasure, is because I'm dissabled with a bad back, AndI don't have the funds to getting there.
Now I can't be 100 percent sure that I'm right about where this treasure is but with the info I have gathered I know that something happened there, because the area that I have located has not been created by nature. It has all the signs of being man made, Such as sharp rocks spread over the area. If this was natural then the rocks would be worn somewhat from errotion or created by the ice-age.
Now that you know why I'm here, Is there anyone that would like to listen to me and maybe help in recovering this treasure ?

 

[gollum]

QB,

How did you get the information regarding the tunnel system? Please be as specific as you can. Thanks

Best-Mike

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

Good evening Gentlemen: The reaon that I haven't asked for details is smply because I am very very busy some 500 miles further south on my own project. So I have just been waiting for someone willing to follow up on his information rather than just emptily asking questions.

But yes, I am very curious.

Don Jose de La Mancha

p.s. Bear, I would like to know more, honest.

 

[RELICDUDE07]

Has anyone found like a silver spanish coin or anything to post Should be some pottery or something if your in the right area

 

[Quinan Bear]

My info on the tunnel system comes from old stories that were told to me by my grandfather. He said that he met a man durring the war, that told him of a treasure the was carried off by thousands of mules and hid, so that they wouldn't lose iit to indians.
This man told my grand father that the treasure was not were anyone would think to look and that it lies west of the tumacacori mission. One mine was due west of the mission and that it was under a hill that had a flat top and it was the rock that tumacacori mission was named after. the mission can be seen from the top of this hill.
The other mine was on the other side of the tumacacori mountians and was the place that the large treasure was buried, I can give the co-ordinates but I must point out that this entrance is buried under tons of rubble.
All i ask is that I recieve something as a reward for giving out this info, if in fact, it is correct and that the treasure is found there.

 

[VICTORIO]

Quinan Bear Wrote " My info on the tunnel system comes from old stories that were told to me by my grandfather".


Yes Sir, These stories handed down by elders and relatives are the most reliable. Be very careful who you give this information too. If it were me I would guard this Info as if my life depended on it.

 

[Old Dog]

Quinan Bear Wrote " My info on the tunnel system comes from old stories that were told to me by my grandfather".


Yes Sir, These stories handed down by elders and relatives are the most reliable. Be very careful who you give this information too. If it were me I would guard this Info as if my life depended on it.

I agree,
write it down and put it in a safe place.
leave it to someone who means a bit to you.

Thom

 

[Quinan Bear]

Thanks for the advise guys, but I'm not an American, nor do I wish to take something that is not mine. These treasures belong to Americans, not Canadians like myself. I have never been a greedy person. I don't want to get rich from the info I give. All that I ask is that if someone uses my info and finds lost treasure, that they send me a little something for my info. Something like 5 or 10 percent of what is found.
Now I know that's not too much to ask, is it ?


Just a little question for all you guys/gals from pheonix. Has the lost treasure been found in the Sierra Estrella Mountians yet ? You know, the one that the aztecs took and hid from the conquistadors. I studied this tale for some time, and while I came to study Arizona, I noticed that the Sierra Estrella Mountians apeared to be altered. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you look at them with "google earth viewer", the southern most mountian has been leveled off on the top. It appears that there is group of rocks in on spot that stick out like sore thumbs. You can see them on the west side of the southern most mountian, they are almost white compared to the others, this means that the rocks came from within the mountian OR they were put there.
If the mountians were indeed altered as I suspect, then it would have taken alot of work and manpower to level the top of the mountian, work that resembles that of the myans or aztecs.
Any feed-back on this theory would be appreciated....

 

[Quinan Bear]

First off, let me say that if I came off a little hard on stildign, I apologize. I do have very good reasoning for it though. I have seen numerous people who post that they alone have unlocked the secrets to fabulous treasures, but their day jobs don't give them the time to go to the one spot they absolutely know is where the fabulous treasure is. A reasonable person would immediately think this to a another BS story. If I knew the exact location of a fabulous treasure beyond a shadow of a doubt, I would immediately call in sick, and head for the desert.

When it comes to Tumacacori (pronounced too-ma-KA'-koree), there is not much I don't know about the mines, the mission, the legends, and the truths. I know an old time treasure hunter who has lived in the town of Tumacacori for many years.

I know another man who has had the claim on the area in Javelin Canyon where there is a 150,000 cubic foot mine tailings pile with no mine to go with it (it is so big, it is visible in satellite pics). His name is Gary Oliver, and he has had the claim there since about 1986. He lives in Oregon and has written a book called "Enigma at Tumacacori". For anyone wishing to learn more about the REAL Tumacacori Story, I strongly recommend reading it. Here is a sat pic of the tailings pile:

I have heard numerous people (you know who you are) before stildign claim to know for certain that the lost Tumacacori Mine (there are two as yet still unfound: The Pure Concepcion and The Virgen de Guadalupe) was in one place or another. The Virgen de Guadalupe is the mine that supposedly houses the great store of silver and gold ingots, and in an adjacent hidden room, there is supposedly a copper chest containing maps to all the Tumacacori Mission Mines). I have seen insane rantings that the V de G Mine is in the Superstition Mountains, and other whacky theories. I just get sick of people posting crap without doing any REAL research into the area, or talking to any of the REALLY knowledgeable people.

I am more than happy to share any of the knowledge I have gotten regarding anything I am not bound by promises not to talk about, as anybody who I have dealt with knows. I also have very little patience for whackadoos, and their nutty theories. All it takes is a little research into the subject to know that ANYONE who claims to have simply deciphered the Molina Map ( and attached document), without having been to the area, stood in the ruins at Camp Loco, and seen the "Face of Christ" or the "Cross on the Cliff," has no clue what they are talking about!

So....forgive me if I am brusque with people who I know for certain don't have a clue regarding what is actually there. Before anybody can even think about solving the Molina Map:

one has to be familiar with all the nuances of Castillian Spanish word coding (as in writing incode). One has to understand how if the crossbar on a letter "T" is tilted to one side, it can be pointing at another letter or symbol that changes the entire meaning of the code. One has to carefully look at all the capitol letters, because they have their own coded meanings. There is a LOT more to Spanish and Jesuit Cryptography than looking at a map, and thinking you can work it out. It's just not that easy. Lots of people SAY they can do it, but in all the years I have been doing this, I have met precious few who actually can. Most of them are charging $2500 per week (or more) as archive researchers in Seville, Rome, or Madrid for shipwreck salvage people and companies.

Oh, and Rich; I know what --deleted-- means, and it is not often used in a non-sarcastic way. You see, there are many ways to say that someone may not be educated enough about a particular subject without using the word --deleted--. That word is typically used as an insult, and if anyone ever uses it towards me, I ALWAYS consider it an insult. I have a very good command of the English Language in general, Vocabulary, and Grammar in particular.

Best-Mike

Hey gollum;
Nice pics.
Where did you get the info to look for the face of christ and the cross on the cliff? was it from a map or folk lore?

 

[VICTORIO]

I had not noticed the face of Christ. Is he supposed to be facing the mine or at least close by. What does it mean when you see something like this in the Field.