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Don Jose de La Mancha
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The Tumacacori Treasure Room and Mines
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Oroblanco
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Old Dog wrote:
Well you know that old saying - "when the shoe fits...."
Laziness, NOT necessity, is the "mother of invention"! (heh heh)
Oroblanco
Well you know that old saying - "when the shoe fits...."
Laziness, NOT necessity, is the "mother of invention"! (heh heh)
Oroblanco
Old Dog
Gold Member
I know the feeling.
That's when we say we are seriously conniving, intellectually inventive,
Never admitting to anywhere near lazy.
LOL
Thom
cptbil
Bronze Member
Stilldign:
You say in your "first", the beginning of this "topic"
That the "map"
Is in code, and needs to be decoded as the descriptions are not what they appear to be !
As one example you say the the "Treasure Room" is east of the Present day mission
Not ! West! Etc!
Then how come, "The Pure Conception Mine" and other of the signs & symbols
Are exactly where the map and the "WayBill" say they are ?
Come out to the "field"
And!
I can & WILL! show you this!
Map vs Actual location
They agree exactly!
I hope you are not being influenced by The Treasure Room Mine, that IS! in the mnts,
EAST of the Present day Mission!
You say in your "first", the beginning of this "topic"
That the "map"
Is in code, and needs to be decoded as the descriptions are not what they appear to be !
As one example you say the the "Treasure Room" is east of the Present day mission
Not ! West! Etc!
Then how come, "The Pure Conception Mine" and other of the signs & symbols
Are exactly where the map and the "WayBill" say they are ?
Come out to the "field"
And!
I can & WILL! show you this!
Map vs Actual location
They agree exactly!
I hope you are not being influenced by The Treasure Room Mine, that IS! in the mnts,
EAST of the Present day Mission!
cptbil
Bronze Member
I"m still trying to get this "Plug & Play"
TO!
"Plug & Play" !
I am going to "scan" a photo this very second and see what happens !!!
TO!
"Plug & Play" !
I am going to "scan" a photo this very second and see what happens !!!
cptbil
Bronze Member
cptbil
Bronze Member
![:-\](https://www.treasurenet.com/smilies/undecided.gif "Undecided :-\")
cptbil
Bronze Member
As you can see this is not the same Mine as the First photo!
But!
They are Both Authentic Spanish Mines!
And!
For those of you who suggested using a remote camera, you can see,
the floor is kind of rough for that!
&
As you can also see,
There's NO! Timbering,
There's NO! Tracks for the mine cars
There's NO! Electricity of any kind...
' cus!
This was 300-400 yrs before "FEMA" came around!
Notice the width of the tunnel ?
Notice the height ?
Nothing like the modern day mine is it ?
But!
They are Both Authentic Spanish Mines!
And!
For those of you who suggested using a remote camera, you can see,
the floor is kind of rough for that!
&
As you can also see,
There's NO! Timbering,
There's NO! Tracks for the mine cars
There's NO! Electricity of any kind...
' cus!
This was 300-400 yrs before "FEMA" came around!
Notice the width of the tunnel ?
Notice the height ?
Nothing like the modern day mine is it ?
No, never thought you didn't have them. Just wanted to see some pics. Being here in Illinois, I don't get a chance to see mines like that. Thanks for posting them. How far back do they go, and how much clearing is involved in getting into one?
cptbil
Bronze Member
cptbil,
What convinces you that this mine is spanish and 400-400 yrs old?. Couldn't this simply be a small scale operation from 1860? I have seen and been in many holes similer to this one where no timbering is necessary, certainly in AZ this is quite common. What makes this one spanish?
Thanks,Bill
What convinces you that this mine is spanish and 400-400 yrs old?. Couldn't this simply be a small scale operation from 1860? I have seen and been in many holes similer to this one where no timbering is necessary, certainly in AZ this is quite common. What makes this one spanish?
Thanks,Bill
cptbil
Bronze Member
All of the mines that I went into in this canyon,
Either side of the canyon
Are within about 1/2 mile from a very large Mission building!
Roughly, 45 x60' in length
I have a photo or two of the mission, I'll dig them up and post them!
A couple of the mines are right out the back door of the mission
AND!
I mean, right out the back door...
One false step and you're in the mine ! :P
They may even go under the floor of the mission,
As I did venture into one of them and the tunnel went down and then turned and was headed that direction!
Maybe a storage area/room? :P
Also,
A couple of the mines are, right across the canyon/creek along the north wall, from the mission !
Plus!
There are no signs a road to any of the mines!
Which just reminded me,
That is a solid rock ledge, about 2' high that has a trail, foot traffic, that cut the outcropping all of the way to the ground!
Now!
It means that there was one heck of a lot of foot traffic over that ledge to cut a trail thru solid 2' of rock, that deep!
There is an explanation to some of this traffic ...
At the very head of the canyon, and there is a well used trail, going a few miles due west, and then over the top, lies
The Virgin of Guadalupe Mine !
I'll post a photo of this also!
Either side of the canyon
Are within about 1/2 mile from a very large Mission building!
Roughly, 45 x60' in length
I have a photo or two of the mission, I'll dig them up and post them!
A couple of the mines are right out the back door of the mission
AND!
I mean, right out the back door...
One false step and you're in the mine ! :P
They may even go under the floor of the mission,
As I did venture into one of them and the tunnel went down and then turned and was headed that direction!
Maybe a storage area/room? :P
Also,
A couple of the mines are, right across the canyon/creek along the north wall, from the mission !
Plus!
There are no signs a road to any of the mines!
Which just reminded me,
That is a solid rock ledge, about 2' high that has a trail, foot traffic, that cut the outcropping all of the way to the ground!
Now!
It means that there was one heck of a lot of foot traffic over that ledge to cut a trail thru solid 2' of rock, that deep!
There is an explanation to some of this traffic ...
At the very head of the canyon, and there is a well used trail, going a few miles due west, and then over the top, lies
The Virgin of Guadalupe Mine !
I'll post a photo of this also!
cptbil
Bronze Member
Now kindly remember,
That I :
Went to ASU and Majored in Geology
I worked for Magma Copper Co. for 2 1/2 yrs ..
One of the Hottest Mines in the World!
As a Geologist, a "Jr" ( "Gofer" type college student)
@ the 4800' & 5000' levels
As well as a "guide" for visitors & general sampling, all over the rest of the mine levels!
& !
One yr for Kennecott Copper Co... in exploration work (prospecting/drilling for copper) though out central Arizona
Mostly Northeast of Tucson ... in The Galiuro Mnts....
So!
Please don't confuse me with some "newbee"
I AM NOT!
Some "NewBe" ! to mines/mining !
That I :
Went to ASU and Majored in Geology
I worked for Magma Copper Co. for 2 1/2 yrs ..
One of the Hottest Mines in the World!
As a Geologist, a "Jr" ( "Gofer" type college student)
@ the 4800' & 5000' levels
As well as a "guide" for visitors & general sampling, all over the rest of the mine levels!
& !
One yr for Kennecott Copper Co... in exploration work (prospecting/drilling for copper) though out central Arizona
Mostly Northeast of Tucson ... in The Galiuro Mnts....
So!
Please don't confuse me with some "newbee"
I AM NOT!
Some "NewBe" ! to mines/mining !
cptbil
Bronze Member
cptbil
Bronze Member
What you're looking at, above , is a
"Spanish Monument Marker" :P
It has on the side,
The Mine's Name, the Owners Names and the Date !
Ever actually seen one before ?
This one is a lead to, but not directly concerning
The Pure Conception Mine
This IS! Shown on The Molina Map!
AND!
It is located exactly as shown on the Map!
If you'd like to see it...
Doc and I will be camped very near to this...
make arrangements to do so @ any time!
(After March)
Any takers out there ?
"Spanish Monument Marker" :P
It has on the side,
The Mine's Name, the Owners Names and the Date !
Ever actually seen one before ?
This one is a lead to, but not directly concerning
The Pure Conception Mine
This IS! Shown on The Molina Map!
AND!
It is located exactly as shown on the Map!
If you'd like to see it...
Doc and I will be camped very near to this...
make arrangements to do so @ any time!
(After March)
Any takers out there ?
cptbil
Bronze Member
"Gollum"
Mike:
Now That I have my scanner going and I am posting photos..
You asked me to show you "on the ground" where the Pure Conception Mine is !
Your Post # 35
I FORMALLY SAY This : In front of everyone here!
YES!
I ( & Doc) WILL TAKE YOU TO THE MINE
As you know, we are planning to be there around March..
We haven't set a definate date/day yet !!
But!
As Soon as we do
I will let you know....
So!
Kind of clear your schedule for March ....
I certainly hope that you are serious
I AM! 8)
I'll need your phone number ....
Mike:
Now That I have my scanner going and I am posting photos..
You asked me to show you "on the ground" where the Pure Conception Mine is !
Your Post # 35
I FORMALLY SAY This : In front of everyone here!
YES!
I ( & Doc) WILL TAKE YOU TO THE MINE
As you know, we are planning to be there around March..
We haven't set a definate date/day yet !!
But!
As Soon as we do
I will let you know....
So!
Kind of clear your schedule for March ....
I certainly hope that you are serious
I AM! 8)
I'll need your phone number ....
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