The Robert and Sarah Morriss Story

From the genealogy information it appears that Robert Morris Jr's half brother, Thomas Wise Morris was NOT the Thomas Morris that was married to Sarah Gardner, whose only child was Susannah Morris.
Which makes the relation of Robert Morriss of the Beale Papers to Robert Morris Jr , signer of the DOI, questionable.
 

Much of genealogy information is wrong. I have actual documents as proof, not just something compiled by other researchers.
 

Genealogy of Robert and Sarah Morris being right or wrong in reality has no bearing on whether the story presented in Ward's copyrighted 1885 Beale Papers is true or not.
What has never been established or proven is if a Thomas J Beale ever stayed at the Washington Hotel , deposited an iron box with Morriss, or sent him letters from St Louis that served as the basis on the Beale Papers story.
 

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ECS said:
Genealogy of Robert and Sarah Morris being right or wrong in reality has no bearing on whether the story presented in Ward's copyrighted 1885 Beale Papers is true or not.
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Then you have no reason to worry about it. You got all scared for nothing.
 

People are here to discuss research of any and all aspects of the Beale story, and that includes the characters. That's what this board is for. Anyone who doesn't like it, well, they simply don't have to participate.
 

...and that is what I have been doing, providing information on the characters in the story and those who were involved with the creation, copyrighting, printing, publishing, advertising and sale of the Beale Papers job pamphlet. :icon_thumright:
 

KEY here is... "Beale PAPERS Pamphlet"; how MANY "Beale PAPERS" does it take to make a "Job Print"...? Hmmm... LOTS of PREVIOUS "True, Authentic," stories of REAL events of the GREAT, WILD WEST; THEN! the CONFEDERATE WAR, up to @ 1882 or so... heh.:icon_thumleft: :tongue3:
 

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...and was entered into copyright as a "book" with only the title submitted for application...
Hmmm...
 

It was ALL in the mind of Maj. Ferdinand Hutter, (CSA, former PAYMASTER), who was then interviewed by John W. Sherman; JWS wrote the BPP, & Hutter's cousin ("JB" Ward) was his AGENT. It was ALL in the family of James Beverly Risque; ALL of this has been stated before!
 

Rebel - KGC said:
It was ALL in the mind of Maj. Ferdinand Hutter, (CSA, former PAYMASTER), who was then interviewed by John W. Sherman; JWS wrote the BPP, & Hutter's cousin ("JB" Ward) was his AGENT. It was ALL in the family of James Beverly Risque; ALL of this has been stated before!
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It's been stated many times. Too many times.
There's only one problem. It's the same problem with every other theory - NO PROOF!
 

...and there is NO PROOF that anything in the Beale Papers story as actually ever happening!
 

Anyone know about any relations... if any... to a William Morris ?

The deeds / tracts of land map was on Antiques Roadshow via a relative.
 

Rebel - KGC said:
LOL! WHAT "proof" do you want...?
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It depends. If someone has a theory, or an idea, or an opinion, then that's one thing. But when someone makes a claim that something DID happen a certain way, then they should be able to show it.
It's a possibility that Sherman was the author of the entire Beale story, but there are other possibilities just as good. Until there's proof, one way or the other, no one can say they know for sure.
Just because many in that small area were related, that doesn't mean they were all in a conspiracy together. Yeah, it's possible, but it's not proven.
 

Old Silver said:
Much of genealogy information is wrong. I have actual documents as proof, not just something compiled by other researchers.
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That the Robert Morriss of the Beale Papers is related to Robert Morris Jr who signed the DOI?
"When someone makes a claim..." is how you put it.
 

AARC said:
Anyone know about any relations... if any... to a William Morris ?

The deeds / tracts of land map was on Antiques Roadshow via a relative.
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Was that person who the little hotel bellcap looked for in the lobby with his "Call for Phillip Morris" related?
 

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Old Silver said:
It depends. If someone has a theory, or an idea, or an opinion, then that's one thing. But when someone makes a claim that something DID happen a certain way, then they should be able to show it.
It's a possibility that Sherman was the author of the entire Beale story, but there are other possibilities just as good. Until there's proof, one way or the other, no one can say they know for sure.
Just because many in that small area were related, that doesn't mean they were all in a conspiracy together. Yeah, it's possible, but it's not proven.
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LOL! CHARLIE BUTTON, Editor & OWNER of the L'burg newspaper at that time, said that his SUB-EDITOR (John William Sherman), wrote the BEALE PAPERS PAMPHLET; it was in an article on Charlie & I will "post" the "addy" AGAIN for YOU... BBL! :laughing7:
 

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