The Robert and Sarah Morriss Story

[franklin]

Your last post of links may have saved me a lot of time and research on finding the Plantation of James Beverly Risque. At least I now know when they sold the property. PV's books said they sold the property just before WWII to put the grandchildren through college. PV was off by about seventy years. Great R & I. Soon we may find some long lost secrets. I am gearing up for a search that may take a year or two and I hope to find this plantation and the cemetery where the Wards are buried. We will see. Thanks.

 

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[ECS]

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not sure this is the BP RM, maybe these women are the girls
he was taking care of

GROOM BRIDE DATE BONDSMAN
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I am still curious about what great deal of personal property he gave his niece, Maria Warwick, in 1856.
"On March 5, 1856, for love and affection which I have for my niece, Maria W Lefwich, conveyed her a great deal of personal property"- Robert Morris
It is also interesting to note that this occurred after the alleged letters and opening of the iron box with ciphers as mentioned in the Beale Papers story.

 

[ECS]

HA! Can we use it ("Old Southern Bubba Power Intuition aka OSBPI) to find the grave-sites of Robert & Sarah MORRISS or Robert MORRIS, Mayor of Lynchburg, Va. - 1813...? Inquiring Minds wanna KNOW!

That is also curious. In the long descriptions of the attributes and guests and devoted friends that Robert Morris was Mayor of Lynchburg in 1813.
Another purposeful discrepancies to alert the pamphlet buyer that these "authentic statements" are just an original work of fiction with play along ciphers?

 

[cw0909]

I am still curious about what great deal of personal property he gave his niece, Maria Warwick, in 1856.
"On March 5, 1856, for love and affection which I have for my niece, Maria W Lefwich, conveyed her a great deal of personal property"- Robert Morris
It is also interesting to note that this occurred after the alleged letters and opening of the iron box with ciphers as mentioned in the Beale Papers story.

i remember seeing the Lefwich, i havent tried to read it
i think i need new bifocals, anyway i have run into the
bell name quite a few times, anyone know who that is
Garry sorry ive sorta mixed the thread up, maybe we
should start a thread the BEALE PLAYERS ECT. LOL

BEDFORD CO 1860-051
Plaintiff(s)
David Crenshaw
Defendant(s)
James B Ward & WIFE ETC
Surname(s)
Bell
Crenshaw
Harvey
Kent
Leftwich
Otey
Pellet
Saunders
Ward


Virginia Memory: Chancery Records Index

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Virginia Memory: Chancery Records Index

 

[cw0909]

trying to read some of it tough going
pg 15 is interesting
Virginia Memory: Chancery Records Index



Virginia Memory: Chancery Records Index - 019-1860-051

 

[ECS]

Note on page 15 in the BEDFORD SENTINEL notice the court clerk was R D Buford, son of Pascal and Francis Buford of Buford's Inn, who, after being contacted by Vincent Witcher talked to Ward about removing the Beale Papers from sale.
John B Otey who in the 1820's was in business with Robert Morris was Harriet Emmeline Otey Ward's father.
In 1852, James Beverly Ward and brother-in-law John W Otey bought a sawmill in Bedford county.
Also take note that many of the surnames listed in that newspaper notice are all related in one way or another.

 

[franklin]

Note on page 15 in the BEDFORD SENTINEL notice the court clerk was R D Buford, son of Pascal and Francis Buford of Buford's Inn, who, after being contacted by Vincent Witcher talked to Ward about removing the Beale Papers from sale.
John B Otey who in the 1820's was in business with Robert Morris was Harriet Emmeline Otey Ward's father.
In 1852, James Beverly Ward and brother-in-law John W Otey bought a sawmill in Bedford county.
Also take note that many of the surnames listed in that newspaper notice are all related in one way or another.

Read some of the links cw0909 posted and you will see that James Beverly Ward also owned a brand new saw mill in Appomattox County along with 880 acres of standing timber. Read those links and go for other links by searching in other names. A lot of good reading on David Saunders Jr died before Aug. 28, 1848. Everyone said he died of gun duel in 1850? This must have happened a couple years earlier. Look up Anzoletta Saunders about the house she owned in Lynchburg and the repairs. Great reading. I have seen the Will of David Saunders Sr. The will of William Warwick. The Will of James Beverly Risque also his Inventory made by Giles Ward. Anzoletta's son, Robert was living in Brazil 1859. So much good reading. It is like finding a book in the library you have been searching for good going cw0909

By the way, I found out yesterday that Thomas Beale of New Orleans fame was engaged to Julia Hancock. He went to NO until he found out JBR survived then he went to Europe and came back to NO to marry Celeste Grandpre. He met with his brothers and sisters before leaving Fincastle. He spoke to brother Charles and he pulled his hat over his eyes and asked him was it true what he had heard and TB replied, "Tis the Tis, Good-bye brother.

 

[franklin]

Note on page 15 in the BEDFORD SENTINEL notice the court clerk was R D Buford, son of Pascal and Francis Buford of Buford's Inn, who, after being contacted by Vincent Witcher talked to Ward about removing the Beale Papers from sale.
John B Otey who in the 1820's was in business with Robert Morris was Harriet Emmeline Otey Ward's father.
In 1852, James Beverly Ward and brother-in-law John W Otey bought a sawmill in Bedford county.
Also take note that many of the surnames listed in that newspaper notice are all related in one way or another.

I would still like to know where you found Vincent Witcher talked to Roland Buford about James Beverly Ward removing the Beale Papers from sale. At least we would have someone talking about the Beale Papers during the time of the printing. I have not found anything by anyone talking about the Beale Papers other than the Hart Brothers, George and Clayton?

 

[franklin]

I am still curious about what great deal of personal property he gave his niece, Maria Warwick, in 1856.
"On March 5, 1856, for love and affection which I have for my niece, Maria W Lefwich, conveyed her a great deal of personal property"- Robert Morris
It is also interesting to note that this occurred after the alleged letters and opening of the iron box with ciphers as mentioned in the Beale Papers story.

I made a copy of the deed on a jump drive. When I pick it up I will tell you what it says. But from memory all I remember was a bunch of furniture. That was either in Deed Book U or Deed Book V. Deed Book U most likely. I do remember she was married to a Thomas Leftwich.

 

[ECS]

...
By the way, I found out yesterday that Thomas Beale of New Orleans fame was engaged to Julia Hancock...

...and it during the time he had a son , Thomas Beale Jr,with Chloe Delancy of Botetourt county.
Was Beale's philandering the cause of the duel with Julia's uncle James Beverly Risqué?

 

[ECS]

Read some of the links cw0909 posted ... So much good reading. It is like finding a book in the library you have been searching for good going cw0909...

I agree, Franklin, a wealth of information on the Risqué extended family bloodline, Ward, Otey, Hutter, etc, and Robert Morris, Saunders, Lefwich, but I will admit some of the handwriting is hard to read.

 

[franklin]

...and it during the time he had a son , Thomas Beale Jr,with Chloe Delancy of Botetourt county.
Was Beale's philandering the cause of the duel with Julia's uncle James Beverly Risqué?

No the article I found said that JBR was spreading false tales on TB about him and Julia. TB went to him and wanted to know who the informer was, I guess that is when JBR said it was him. Then they fought the duel and Risque was shot.

By the way the article was in a book online about the Beale Family Genealogy 1399-1950 or something like that-------I know the 1399 is correct.

 

[cw0909]

i copied the 3 posts above here, just trying to keep JBWs stuff together
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/b...james-beverly-ward-agent-beale-papers-23.html

the 3 posts
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/beale-codes/520583-robert-sarah-morriss-story-15.html#post5417201
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/beale-codes/520583-robert-sarah-morriss-story-15.html#post5418811
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/beale-codes/520583-robert-sarah-morriss-story-15.html#post5419093

 

[masterpoe]

Read some of the links cw0909 posted and you will see that James Beverly Ward also owned a brand new saw mill in Appomattox County along with 880 acres of standing timber. Read those links and go for other links by searching in other names. A lot of good reading on David Saunders Jr died before Aug. 28, 1848. Everyone said he died of gun duel in 1850? This must have happened a couple years earlier. Look up Anzoletta Saunders about the house she owned in Lynchburg and the repairs. Great reading. I have seen the Will of David Saunders Sr. The will of William Warwick. The Will of James Beverly Risque also his Inventory made by Giles Ward. Anzoletta's son, Robert was living in Brazil 1859. So much good reading. It is like finding a book in the library you have been searching for good going cw0909

By the way, I found out yesterday that Thomas Beale of New Orleans fame was engaged to Julia Hancock. He went to NO until he found out JBR survived then he went to Europe and came back to NO to marry Celeste Grandpre. He met with his brothers and sisters before leaving Fincastle. He spoke to brother Charles and he pulled his hat over his eyes and asked him was it true what he had heard and TB replied, "Tis the Tis, Good-bye brother.

That is most strange, I just read T Beale SR was the Register of Wills from 1811-1820. When did he have time to go to Europe?

 

[franklin]

That is most strange, I just read T Beale SR was the Register of Wills from 1811-1820. When did he have time to go to Europe?

Well it says before he married Celeste so before 1808. So most likely the duel was about 1806 or there about. It says he also worked in a China Store in Alexandria, Va. before coming to Fincastle with his two brothers John and Charles. John and Charles owned the China Store. Maybe TB worked the store in Fincastle for them as they had three stores by then one in Fincastle, one in Alexandria. I forgot the other but John was traveling to the third store when he died mysteriously. He was in prime health, took sick and died in ll days.

 

[franklin]

ECS, Here is what Deed Book U Page 279 says:

This Deed made this 5th day of March 1856 between Robert Morris of the one part Thomas Leftwich of
the second part and Maria M. Leftwich wife of said Thomas Leftwich of the third part witnesseth thus
that said Thomas Morris in consideration of the natural love and affection which he has to his
niece Maria M. Leftwich and of one dollar doth by these present grant and convey unto the
said Thomas Leftwich the following furniture Viz. 4 feather beds, 4 matrasses, 4 bedsteads and
furniture for the same, one secretary and book case, one work stand, one set of mahogany
dining tables, 3 card tables, l pier table, 3 mantle glasses 2 doz chains, 3 carpets, 5 pair
curtains, 1 sofa, 1 sideboard, l large rocking chair, table furniture & kitchen utensils now in the
possession of said Maria M. Leftwich.

There is a misquote by the clerk when he wrote this up, he mistakenly mentioned Robert Morris as Thomas Morris on line three. There was another paragraph of unimportance about RM giving this furniture to her as the same as if he sold it to her.

 

[cw0909]

i dont have time to read through this today or tomorrow
2 grads and 2 dinners, maybe 1 of the CHILDREN OF John Morris
from LOUDOUN CO, is our RM as a robert morris is listed pg 1
from skimming i see 1801-1805- 1811, there is a adam an susannah mitchell
listed as children and 2 other women, if he is our RM he had sisters no bro
Plaintiff(s)
CHILDREN OF John Morris
LOUDOUN CO
Virginia Memory: Chancery Records Index - 107-1811-011

 

[Garry]

i dont have time to read through this today or tomorrow
2 grads and 2 dinners, maybe 1 of the CHILDREN OF John Morris
from LOUDOUN CO, is our RM as a robert morris is listed pg 1
from skimming i see 1801-1805- 1811, there is a adam an susannah mitchell
listed as children and 2 other women, if he is our RM he had sisters no bro
Plaintiff(s)
CHILDREN OF John Morris
LOUDOUN CO
Virginia Memory: Chancery Records Index - 107-1811-011

cw0909,

BINGO!

MORRISS with double s's

John Morriss father of Robert and Lenora Morriss

John Dawson and his wife Lenora (Leanna) (Leanna, mother of Anzoletta Warwick?)

Robert Morriss

Troubling - The will of John Morriss was written in 1786?

I certainly haven't digested this document but It looks to me like it is going to answer a lot of the questions regarding Robert Morriss in this time period!!

I won't get around to it studying it for a couple of weeks and by that time I'll simply be looking over the rest of your shoulders but I'm excited!!

Great Work, I "THINK"

Garry

 

[franklin]

Great Job. That is the Robert Morriss of Lynchburg, Va. of the Beale Papers and his sisters and their husbands. Up to 1812 and they never mentioned Robert Morriss' wife, Sarah Mitchell. You notice that Leana did marry a John Dawson. After John's death she married William Warwick first Mayor of Lynchburg, Va. Their two daughters Anzoletta that married David Saunders Jr. at whose home Robert Morriss died in 1863. Also Maria that married Thomas Leftwich of Franklin County. I posted the Deed where Robert Morris gave all his furniture and appliances to Maria his niece. This in itself proves that Leanna Dawson that married William Warwick was Robert Morriss sister.

And this disproves for me the research and newspapers I had of the genealogy was wrong about Thomas Morris the half brother of Robert Morriss Jr., Signer of the DOI. For in these papers we find the Will of John Morris, Robert Morriss' true father. Thank you cw0909 you have found the Loundon County Court Records that historians tell us were destroyed during the Civil War. Thank you very much.

 

[franklin]

I am still having trouble with all of this about John Morriss. I am going back to look at my research on Thomas Wise Morriss. Strange both dying while Robert Morriss was very young. I simply do not know this John Morriss? Need to do more research. I believe Robert Morriss created the Beale Papers just so everyone would check out his ancestry? John Morriss and Thomas Wise Morriss could be the same person. The middle initial "J" was thrown in to the Beale Papers as being very significant and it could be his father's name was Thomas John Morriss? I have to check it out.