The Robert and Sarah Morriss Story

[franklin]

Post #179

 

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[ECS]

... ECS says that none of those mentioned in the pamphlet were kin to Robert Morriss. He even goes as far as saying Robert Morriss was no kin to Robert Morris, Signer of the DOI. All of this is false. Does ECS have the genealogy of Robert Morriss? No! Well I do and I can say categorically ECS is Dead Wrong.

Robert Morris | The Society of the Descendants of the Signers of the Declaration of Independence
On another thread you mentioned that Robert Morriss of the Beale story was a rich man, inheriting wealth in a will by Robert Morris Jr, signer of the Declaration of Independence, which you claim to have verifiable documentation.
Robert Morris Jr NEVER regained his wealth, and for the last five years of his life was supported by an annuity provided by fellow founding father, Gouverneur Morris (no relation) from New York.
All genealogy records for Robert Morris Jr show no relation to Robert Morris of Lynchburg, or the Robert Morriss character of Ward's 1885 Beale Papers.
So if all the links I posted are false and I am "Dead Wrong",which Robert Morriss do you claim to have genealogy for, as it surely is not Robert Morris Jr, signer of the Declaration of Independence?

 

[Captain Jack Sparrow]

The point, young Jack, is this;
When one makes the statement "that all that information is wrong" they are obligated to produce documented evidence that supports that statement.

Saying something is wrong, does not prove one's statement is right without supporting evidence, now does it. I'm sure you'd agree.

so why then do you say the papers are a novel of entertainment with wrong intent? you have not produce documented evidence that supports that statement ever.

i believe the papers are only published to bring out the person who had the key that was never sent. with only a few being sold not many people would know of the pamphlet. the newspaper article about the pamphlet would have seen more attention then that of the pamphlet. do we know how many people would have seen the newspaper article at the time of 1880's and how many states whould it have been seen in?

 

[franklin]

Robert Morris | The Society of the Descendants of the Signers of the Declaration of Independence
On another thread you mentioned that Robert Morriss of the Beale story was a rich man, inheriting wealth in a will by Robert Morris Jr, signer of the Declaration of Independence, which you claim to have verifiable documentation.
Robert Morris Jr NEVER regained his wealth, and for the last five years of his life was supported by an annuity provided by fellow founding father, Gouverneur Morris (no relation) from New York.
All genealogy records for Robert Morris Jr show no relation to Robert Morris of Lynchburg, or the Robert Morriss character of Ward's 1885 Beale Papers.
So if all the links I posted are false and I am "Dead Wrong",which Robert Morriss do you claim to have genealogy for, as it surely is not Robert Morris Jr, signer of the Declaration of Independence?

Post # 179

 

[ECS]

Sorry but all of that information is wrong but you can accept it if you do not want to do your own research.

Philadelphia Reflections: Robert Morris: The Dark Side
Scroll down midway to the copy of Declaration of Independence Robert Morris Jr Will to which you have stated included a large amount of wealth given to half nephew, Robert Morris of Lynchburg.
While he left personal items to his three sons, two daughters, and Gouverneur Morris , the man that provided financial support for the last five years of his life, the rest was left to his wife.
It seems that your information is wrong, no mention in Morris Jr's Will, and his only half brother died in France, childless, so there is no way Robert Morris of Lynchburg, or the Robert Morriss character of the Beale Papers were related.

 

[franklin]

Philadelphia Reflections: Robert Morris: The Dark Side
Scroll down midway to the copy of Declaration of Independence Robert Morris Jr Will to which you have stated included a large amount of wealth given to half nephew, Robert Morris of Lynchburg.
While he left personal items to his three sons, two daughters, and Gouverneur Morris , the man that provided financial support for the last five years of his life, the rest was left to his wife.
It seems that your information is wrong, no mention in Morris Jr's Will, and his only half brother died in France, childless, so there is no way Robert Morris of Lynchburg, or the Robert Morriss character of the Beale Papers were related.

ECS, I am not saying you are wrong, what I am saying is the information you are quoting is wrong. You need to do more research on his half brother. Also I have a copy of the document of what Robert Morris Jr. left to Sarah Wise Morriss and her four children not counting a half sister by her first marriage. Do you have her first husband's name. Their daughter died in Missouri in 1839, Do the work yourself don't take the word of other researchers.

By the way on some of these other threads you talk about James Pursley and Thomas J. Beall not being half brothers. All right James Pursley's real name was James Purcell. He had three brothers. Two of those brothers married Sullivan Sisters as did James Purcell. All three married Sullivan sisters. The other brother was married in Bedford County, Virginia a little south of Buford's. They were ex-communicated from the church for their wedding. Their daughter Mary Purcell married Zephaniah Beall brother to Thomas J. Beall. Thomas J. Beall's brother Zephaniah Beall and Mary Purcell had a daughter and she married Stephen Braxton. Her name was Keziah as was Mary Purcell's grandmother and Zephaniah's mother. Now does all of this tie anything together with them being from Montvale, Va. or Buford's in Virginia. Ask Rebel KGC to verify this information it was on my CD Book. The Lost Diary of Thomas J. Beall. As a matter of fact this Thomas J. Beall graduated from a military school and was sent on secret missions for the Patriot Army of President James Madison and President James Monroe.

Again this Patriot Army ties in with Dr. James Robinson who was a General in the Patriot Army recruiting all over the country. He was with Lt. Pike when he went west on his expedition and he was at the Battle of New Orleans with over 2,500 of his Patriot Army. Find the Journal of Dr. James Robinson and read them.

Now this ties in with James Pursley or James Purcell as he and Dr. James Robinson were both from Beardstown, Kentucky and both were in Sante Fe before 1806. And James Purcell found the gold 300 miles North of Sante Fe in the United States Terrritory as was witnessed by the 1810 Journals of Lt. Zabulon Montgomery Pike. Then seven years later his half brother and a party went to Sante Fe to find him. Then they found out about the gold and went on their excursion in 1818. The rest is in the Job Print Pamphlet.

 

[ECS]

Why would Robert Morris Jr leave anything to his father's second family?
The executrix of Robert Morris Jr's Will was his wife Mary, and it is included on the linked site I provided.
Are you claiming there was another second will, for Sarah Wise Morris is not mentioned in the actual will.
Robert Morris Jr never regained his wealth, was supported by friend, Gouverneur Morris(no relation) of New York for the last five years of his life, and only left his own children personal items, not money in his Will.
You seem to imply that all the other researchers and verified documented sites are WRONG, and that only you are right.
Its not their word I doubt, for they all concur.

 

[franklin]

Well they are all wrong. Tell them to meet with me and I will sit them on the straight and narrow.

 

[ECS]

Now that was a good one! LOL!

 

[franklin]

Now that was a good one! LOL!

I will tell you even something funnier, I MEAN IT

 

[ECS]

The Purcell/Beall and Offut, Pritchard families have been discussed years ago on these threads and it leads to another dead end before one can connect them to the "unknown author", Ward, and the publishing of the Beale Papers.
Just another forcing people and events to fit one's current pet theory concerning the Beale story, similar to the Thomas Read massacre by Sheriff Otey and the Luck's as the basis of the Beale story of which I am sure you are familiar.
Someone once mentioned that "THE LOST DIARY OF THOMAS J BEALL" was a fictionalized account.

 

[franklin]

I knew your comment before you put it up. I think I will ignore you forever. Bye

 

[ECS]

ECS,... this information it was on my CD Book. The Lost Diary of Thomas J. Beall...

Copies seem to still be available on ebay , which also posted this review:
"This is a CD book of the life of Thomas J Beall. The CD book is fiction based on 99% fact".

 

[Captain Jack Sparrow]

Copies seem to still be available on ebay , which also posted this review:
"This is a CD book of the life of Thomas J Beale. The CD book is fiction based on 99% fact".

beall is the name on the cd.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

so what information have you ever posted? i have been reading the posting here and have not seen one thing, but some diary that jean and others said was fiction. are you fishing like mr reb has said others do?

HA! THIS Mr. Reb never said such a thing...

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Yes but your paste by ECS says that none of those mentioned in the pamphlet were kin to Robert Morriss. He even goes as far as saying Robert Morriss was no kin to Robert Morris, Signer of the DOI. All of this is false. Does ECS have the genealogy of Robert Morriss? No! Well I do and I can say categorically ECS is Dead Wrong.

Eh...? I NEVER said ANYTHING...

 

[Rebel - KGC]

AND! I thought Mrs. Morriss was Sarah MITCHELL Morriss... born in Bedford County, Va.; dunno.

 

[franklin]

AND! I thought Mrs. Morriss was Sarah MITCHELL Morriss... born in Bedford County, Va.; dunno.

No Sarah Mitchell Morriss was not born in Bedford County, Va. That was another Sarah Mitchell. Robert Morriss' wife was born near the Ketochin Baptist Church as was Robert Morriss. They were married in Loudoun County, Virginia removed to Amhurst County then to Lynchburg, Va.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Hmmm... The folks in Amherst County had a daughter, too...?

 

[Garry]

Looking for HELP again!

Has anyone seen or can they point me to newspaper advertisements for Washington House and Franklin Hotel.

I have accepted as fact the unknown author’s claim that Robert Morriss was involved with these establishments? I’m just trying to tighten up Robert’s timeline with actual sources for this period of his life.

I ran across an interesting entry in Ashbury (1900) that I had missed previously. On Page 131 of “Lynchburg and its People”;

“The year 1842 was not one of great importance in the history of the town, and few were the events of interest…………, the Universalists laid the corner-stone for a church on a lot on Twelfth street, between Main and Church, just back of Morriss' hotel. The church was to be a brick building forty by sixty feet. After it was completed it was not long used by the Universalists, but was rented for a theatre, and later was bought by the Odd Fellows, who improved it and used it for their hall.”

I’m still trying to figure out what all of this means. We can find the location of the Odd Fellows Hall on both the 1860 and 1877 Map. I assume that just back of Morriss’ Hotel meant that the hotel fronted on Church street.

I’m pretty confident that the Morriss Hotel refers to our Robert Morriss and that he was renting rooms in 1842. This location is certainly not the Franklin/Norvell or Washington/Arlington location nor is it his original home on 5th and Church.

Garry