The Peralta Stone Maps, Real Maps to Lost Gold Mines or Cruel Hoax?

[Springfield]

Come on now, it says it right on the tablets; reference to an ancient trail out of New Mexico that loops clear up to King's peak Utah and back down to Mexico.

I guess you mean the Escalante trail. 1776 is hardly ancient, but it is fairly early.

 

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[Twisted Fork]

The Jesuits were here in the Kings Peak region of the Uinta Mnts. as far back as the 1500, 1600 periods and there is still evidence of simple dated castings of bells and various other cast remnants that turn up from time to time. Several missions were also established near the heart of various mining projects in an effort to stay in some sort of superstitious control of the native miners that worked the first digs. 1,000 years ago and earlier, the ruminants of the Aztecs were still showing some activity according to the legends of the Ute and other tribes of the area. It is know that the first Spanish Horse Soldiers were witnessed exploring the South end of Utah lake in the year 1562 wherein natives were seen with raw gold samples in their possession of which was given them as components to carry in their medicine bags; pieces from a sacred cave; given to them by the Shaman when they came of age. The trails are one in the same and are still used as timber and fire roads today. The bulldozers followed the ancient tree carvings in along the way.

 

[Oroblanco]

DTPost - interesting theory! I look forward to reading more, if you would care to expound? Thank you in advance,
Oroblanco

 

[dtpost]

DTPost - interesting theory! I look forward to reading more, if you would care to expound? Thank you in advance,
Oroblanco

From the gray stone in this post you'll notice a 3 and a 8 if you look at the first three dots on the trail you get to the first X, if you look at the eight dots you get the second X, at first I thought there was a four on there but, it looks more like a tee pee. Also the mountain ranger looks a lot like a mountain range in Canyon Land National Park. Just because these were left near the supers. doesn't mean they are of that treasure, they might have been put there or dropped there on purpose to keep you away from the real treasure in the north east.........just my 2 cents

 

[Oroblanco]

Dtpost wrote

Just because these were left near the supers. doesn't mean they are of that treasure, they might have been put there or dropped there on purpose to keep you away from the real treasure in the north east.........just my 2 cents

I have been saying this very thing. The stone maps will "fit" several different areas in the southwest, some quite well in fact. Also, the fact that so many have already tried using them in the Superstitions and arrive at different locations ought to be a red flag.

It is interesting that no one mentions the fifth stone too. Maybe even a sixth - the one found by the Dillmans. If they are in fact a set, then all are required.
Oroblanco

 

[gollum]

DT,

Good luck with that GPR. Before spending all the money on training and rental, go take a look at the area first. Not many places in the Supers are very conducive to using GPR. You need fairly level ground with an absence of a lot of rocks and brush. That description might cover about three square feet of the Supers.

A lot also depends on what you think about the Latin Heart and the Stone Crosses.


Best-Mike

 

[Springfield]

Good luck with that GPR. Before spending all the money on training and rental, go take a look at the area first. Not many places in the Supers are very conducive to using GPR. You need fairly level ground with an absence of a lot of rocks and brush. That description might cover about three square feet of the Supers.

Best-Mike

Very good point - an expensive lesson learned by many who've rented them to locate voids, buried anomalies, etc. The GPR's were developed to locate rebar on flat surfaces. Their results elsewhere can be promising, but are extremely inconsistent. Lots of empty holes dug on false targets.

 

[Ellie Baba]

Hi All,

First of all let me give you some good advice. If you rent a metal detector thinking that you are going to find something in the desert good luck! Many of you that own some of the best made detectors on the market do not know how to properly operate them. This comment is not directed at those who do and you know who you are.

When you buy a new fire arm what is the first thing that you do with it? Practice, practice and more practice. If you shoot it off in an emergency you will most likely not hit your target. So it is with a metal detector. Have someone you know dig some holes and hide different objects at different depths and practice so as you can learn how to communicate with your detector for you are in essence learning a new language.

The tool is only as good as the operator. Work with someone you know who is an exceptional metal detector operator and can teach you by example. It is well worth it folks, seek out the best.

If someone tells me they are going to rent a metal detector I can conclude that they have already wasted their money before entering the field (in most cases, not all).

There are a number of systems, two box units that can be separated (the transmitter and receiver) that will work in tight places, but you must be familiar with their design and operation and these units require an experienced operator. Two loop systems are also commercially available and are expensive to rent and normally the rental fee pays for the operator that comes with it (about $3,200.00 per day).

We have access to these types of geophysical tools when we have figured out where the big ones can be found. I said access, we haven't needed them quite yet.

Which detectors are the best to buy? They all can do certain tasks as designed so pick one out that best suits your needs and practice, practice and practice.

I know that I am off the thread subject, but if you solve the stone maps and can't find the cache due to your failure while operating your own metal detector shame on you.

Ellie B.

 

[JackH]

To All my TH friends,

At this post, 15.3 % real for LDM, 40% real for a Mine other than LDM's proposed location.

If you take in consideration my theory "LDM why you can't get it !", that would account for 55.3%.

Well Done, voters....J

 

[EE THr]

My take is that they look kinda fishy to me.

But that could be because I've never seen a real carved stone treasure map before! 8)

 

[JackH]

Don,

First ones I can remember as well.

I guess I know what your vote was !

It is difficult to paint a picture with words, forgive me for not having the skill to do so with my Theory.......J

 

[Blindbowman]

Don,

First ones I can remember as well.

I guess I know what your vote was !

It is difficult to paint a picture with words, forgive me for not having the skill to do so with my Theory.......J

thories

i have a thory i found it in 2004 and what have i been doing all these years .. covering it up ....lol hide and seek .. your it ! ...lol

 

[EE THr]

Jack---

Well, they may be maps to something. Could be to another map. Could be to something else.

The trail maps look strange to me. My first thought was that they looked like they were drawn on a wet clay tablet with a stick or something like that. But it turns out they are fairly soft stone. The other thing about them is the goofy way the landmarks are represented. I mean, if they were made in order to show other Peralta family members how to get there, I don't think they would work very well for that. So then, the question arises, "What, or who, were they made for?"

My best guess for solving the trail maps would be to just find a few recognizable markers, the same as my thoughts on the Virgil Bowman map. At least three would do, to make some sense out of it.

Cactus Jumper has figured out the trail part, I think, and has it matching topo maps, and has gone to the end of it, and found something. I don't remember which thread it's in, but it is convincing evidence, to me.

But who knows? Maybe the trail part is just a distraction? Like I said in my thread, wouldn't someone want to prevent a map robber from getting the goods? That would be a good way to accomplish confusion, in that case, I think. The bigger the treasure, the more tricky a person making a map would have reason to be?

The horse/priest stone, however, does have the look of being half buried for a long time. I suppose that could be faked, as much as any other part of the other stones, too, though. It appears to me that, if they are real, the horse/priest stone was made first, a considerable amount of time before the other two. It's because of the writing and it seems to be an overall map, while the trail maps are an exploded view. It just seems that way to me. It looks older, too, with the different colors and stuff. But I've never seen any of them in person, so it could be that it's just a multicolored stone to begin with.

The horse/priest also has what appear to be changes all over it, which seem to have taken place at different times. That could be an indication that they existed for a long time, rather than merely made as fakes, then "found." But the story is that they were in the finders general possession for a few years before they were publicized, too. So the finder(s) could have altered them, as well.

I should add that the trail maps look like they have additions to them, also.

Whatever they are, somebody put a lot of work into making them, and making them as they are today.




P.S. Don't mind the bowman, apparently he goes off his meds sometimes. Just sayin'....

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Jack,

I'm curious as to why you think someone would want to spend a lot of time engraving and then dragging rocks (stones) around with them?

First - it is something that could be easily found and/or seen by others, as opposed to doing it on parchment or leather or whatever, and second,
why they would "get left" on the side of a roadway. (I understand that you probably think the road wasn't there at the time, but then, you might
think that the folks who put in the road - or widened it from a path, or the folks that put up the fencing - would have come across them.

Just curious about your reasoning in that matter.

Beth

 

[cactusjumper]

EE,

While not saying the trail maps lead to a treasure or are authentic to the date they are said, by most, to have been carved, I can assure you they are an accurate drawing of the topography of the western end of the Supe's.

I have explained how I figured them out many times. It might be of some value if I went over it again:

When I originally saw the Stone Maps, my first thought was that the wavy line in the lower map was a rough outline of the main range from the southwest end. If that was true, then the bent arrow going to the top would be a canyon/trail.

The canyon that stood out as matching that bent line was Hieroglyphic. At one time, you could ride to the top of the ridge using that canyon. In my mind, that initial match worked so well, that I made the leap in logic that the rest of the map would also conform to the topography.

If I was right, the dotted line that continued from the top of the ridge would be a trail down the other side. The trail/ravine that immediately jumped out at me looked very close. I had made a tracing of the maps, so I took it out and laid it on the topo. The trail fit perfectly into a ravine dropping down into West Boulder. At each place the ravine took a turn on the topo, so did the Stone Map Trail.

Once the trail dropped into West Boulder, that canyon took the exact same turns as the Stone Maps. At this point, I knew I was on to something good.

Once you realize that the initial map was drawn from a high point on the ridge, most likely Superstition Peak, the rest of the trail maps started falling into place. The triangle slash is Weaver's Needle. The locator dot farthest east is the highest point on Bluff Spring Mountain. The one to the west is the north peak of Tim's Saddle.

If you follow those easy to match locations, you can put the rest of the map together easily. I have given so many of those maps away, I am having a hard time finding some copies. On the other hand, there is no guarantee they are genuine treasure maps.

A number of people have said my "theory" is ridiculous. It's no theory at all......It's a topographic map. I have asked a number of those who say I'm a fool......and worse, to show me where my map is wrong. So far, all I get is bluster and a few more choice names.

Good luck,

Joe

 

[EE THr]

Joe---

I know you posted your map, and it was plain as day. Except it was too small to see much except the trail alignment (for me, anyway), which looked exact.

And you said in the text that certain other stuff matched up, but I couldn't really see the landmarks matching the squiggles on the map. And I saw the lines you drew, but I didn't catch-on that they represented lines between the holes, and I didn't really try to figure it out, again because the map was small. So I just took your word for it.

So, as it stands right now, the figures and marks on the trail maps don't seem to match anything I've ever seen on a map. It just looks like a bunch of, like I said, squiggles. I mean the creeks or canyons seem to go West to East, even. But they actually mostly go Northernly-ish to Southernly-ish, except for Tortilla Creek.

But I did have a couple things right! I said that you had the trail matched up. And I said that if a few landmarks could be identified, then some sense might be made of it. And you said the holes matched, so that could qualify as my "few landmarks" reckoning. Heh-heh.

I'm glad it came up though, because I don't think I've heard that detailed a version of step-by-step how you came to realize what it represented. So thanks for that.

Have a good one,
Don

 

[JackH]

Thank You Don,

That tells me I have a little work to do for those who don't have the advantages I have doing my work.

I had in the past gave effort to enlarge the Heart Stone without results. I will do Just that and improve the clarity of my Theory CLEARLY !......Jack

 

[JackH]

Jack,

I'm curious as to why you think someone would want to spend a lot of time engraving and then dragging rocks (stones) around with them?

First - it is something that could be easily found and/or seen by others, as opposed to doing it on parchment or leather or whatever, and second,
why they would "get left" on the side of a roadway. (I understand that you probably think the road wasn't there at the time, but then, you might
think that the folks who put in the road - or widened it from a path, or the folks that put up the fencing - would have come across them.

Just curious about your reasoning in that matter.

Beth

Hello Beth, please forgive this late reply:

I believe a Spanish Priest made the Heart Stone (mother rock) & Heart Stone Map. That Priest traveled with the Caravan and made it on the trail at camp. With as many as 400 Peons, Priests could keep order that the Establishment could not, without loss of critical work effort. Another analogy from a few years ago, it looked more than one person, based on the artistic approach to each Stone, made them. Catholic priests have a history of penitents which brings them closer to the experience at hand. It may be that no one (Establishment) in the Caravan was aware of the Stones.

Is it possible that Priests were others who survived the Massacre ? And unloaded on the ordeal back to civilization? There were many Native American Indians who were converted from as early as 1615 ? in North America, and possibly they were the only captured who were released probably with one pack animal. And most of the load were the Peralta Stones. Either dumped for survival or nearing civilization. Can you picture a neatly stacked stone marker on the side of the road, that everyone passed each and every day for a Hundred plus years ? Stacked so they could be found again, but never came back. Someone finds them, hides them and are lost for decades. I can !.......Jack

It's highly probable someone on the road/fence crew found them, and hid them to come back for them, and could not find that spot.

 

[Blindbowman]

EE,

While not saying the trail maps lead to a treasure or are authentic to the date they are said, by most, to have been carved, I can assure you they are an accurate drawing of the topography of the western end of the Supe's.

I have explained how I figured them out many times. It might be of some value if I went over it again:

When I originally saw the Stone Maps, my first thought was that the wavy line in the lower map was a rough outline of the main range from the southwest end. If that was true, then the bent arrow going to the top would be a canyon/trail.

The canyon that stood out as matching that bent line was Hieroglyphic. At one time, you could ride to the top of the ridge using that canyon. In my mind, that initial match worked so well, that I made the leap in logic that the rest of the map would also conform to the topography.

If I was right, the dotted line that continued from the top of the ridge would be a trail down the other side. The trail/ravine that immediately jumped out at me looked very close. I had made a tracing of the maps, so I took it out and laid it on the topo. The trail fit perfectly into a ravine dropping down into West Boulder. At each place the ravine took a turn on the topo, so did the Stone Map Trail.

Once the trail dropped into West Boulder, that canyon took the exact same turns as the Stone Maps. At this point, I knew I was on to something good.

Once you realize that the initial map was drawn from a high point on the ridge, most likely Superstition Peak, the rest of the trail maps started falling into place. The triangle slash is Weaver's Needle. The locator dot farthest east is the highest point on Bluff Spring Mountain. The one to the west is the north peak of Tim's Saddle.

If you follow those easy to match locations, you can put the rest of the map together easily. I have given so many of those maps away, I am having a hard time finding some copies. On the other hand, there is no guarantee they are genuine treasure maps.

A number of people have said my "theory" is ridiculous. It's no theory at all......It's a topographic map. I have asked a number of those who say I'm a fool......and worse, to show me where my map is wrong. So far, all I get is bluster and a few more choice names.

Good luck,

Joe
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A number of people have said my "theory" is ridiculous. It's no theory at all......It's a topographic map. I have asked a number of those who say I'm a fool......and worse, to show me where my map is wrong. So far, all I get is bluster and a few more choice names.


you did not ask me ... ridiculous ,not the word i would have used but close enough i guess.

i only feel sorry for you joe for one reason .. you dont know your wrong ...lol

i gave you more then a fair chance to try to under stand what i was saying .. you wasted your time and mine with all theat nonecents .....they say your fool for a good reason ...lol

 

[JackH]

Joe---

I know you posted your map, and it was plain as day. Except it was too small to see much except the trail alignment (for me, anyway), which looked exact.

And you said in the text that certain other stuff matched up, but I couldn't really see the landmarks matching the squiggles on the map. And I saw the lines you drew, but I didn't catch-on that they represented lines between the holes, and I didn't really try to figure it out, again because the map was small. So I just took your word for it.

So, as it stands right now, the figures and marks on the trail maps don't seem to match anything I've ever seen on a map. It just looks like a bunch of, like I said, squiggles. I mean the creeks or canyons seem to go West to East, even. But they actually mostly go Northernly-ish to Southernly-ish, except for Tortilla Creek.

But I did have a couple things right! I said that you had the trail matched up. And I said that if a few landmarks could be identified, then some sense might be made of it. And you said the holes matched, so that could qualify as my "few landmarks" reckoning. Heh-heh.

I'm glad it came up though, because I don't think I've heard that detailed a version of step-by-step how you came to realize what it represented. So thanks for that.

Have a good one,
Don

Don,

Most all those little squiggles are only there to confuse the holder, unless you have deeper knowledge. I have purposely left out 2 references so that those who are 'Locked On' will find them for themselves, and conclude that it is Red Mountain.......Jack