The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

[Not Peralta]

cactusjumper,all your doing is avoiding the question I asked,show the proof that this is the end of the trail,maybe it is for you,but either you cant prove this statement about the end of the trail or you have no idea about what your talking about, what are the real markers, and who made them,dont try to attack me because you cant prove your own statement,np people getting fed the wrong information about the supe's is getting really old, and as far as bob ward goes,yes, I would rather follow in someones foot steps that has actually spent years hunting in the supes, than someone that has very little time at all in them,you may have a nice collection of books,but its really no substitute for actual hands on every day living the experience, and yes, I can explain the trail system, can you ,because you left out a lot between hieroglyphic canyon and west boulder canyon,you left out so much,you forgot to mention the markers and petroglyphs on the way that shows a very important site?np

 

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[cactusjumper]

cactusjumper,all your doing is avoiding the question I asked,show the proof that this is the end of the trail,maybe it is for you,but either you cant prove this statement about the end of the trail or you have no idea about what your talking about, what are the real markers, and who made them,dont try to attack me because you cant prove your own statement,np people getting fed the wrong information about the supe's is getting really old, and as far as bob ward goes,yes, I would rather follow in someones foot steps that has actually spent years hunting in the supes, than someone that has very little time at all in them,you may have a nice collection of books,but its really no substitute for actual hands on every day living the experience, and yes, I can explain the trail system, can you ,because you left out a lot between hieroglyphic canyon and west boulder canyon,you left out so much,you forgot to mention the markers and petroglyphs on the way that shows a very important site?np

NP,
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Attack you? All of the highlighted passages above are unwarranted attacks.

You seem confused about the Superstition Mountains. I thought there was nothing there. Now there is a "very important site" between Hieroglyphic and West Boulder. As they relate to the Stone Maps, I have been saying those canyons were important for over forty-years.

I made my first trip into West Boulder in 1958:



Not all markers in the Superstitions have been destroyed:

PHOTO BY D.W. LOCATION IS PRIVATE.


No doubt, living in the range all those years, you have seen that one. Do you remember where it is?

I can't prove that the heart is the end of the trail or that Hieroglyphic Canyon is the begining......to many people. Can you prove anything about Spirit Mountain having anything to do with the Stone Maps? After all your posts, I, along with many others remain unconvinced.

Unlike many others, I do have a map that closely matches the Stone Map trail. Should you actually show up at the Rendezvous, we can lay both maps on a table and you can explain where they don't match. At that point, you can lay your own topographic map on the table and show everyone where your conclusion is better.

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Hal Croves]

cactusjumper,
That photograph from 58' is great. What is that large dog carrying on its back?
Hope your well.

 

[Not Peralta]

cactusjumper,you say you made your trip in 1958,but how much time have you actually spent living and searching in the mnts, can you explain the real trail markers,and petroglyphs that people should look for on this trail system,and you don't seem to understand the exact nature of the stone tablets,and other evidence associated with them,theres not only the superstition mnts,but spirit mnt,and several other mountain ranges involved, and yes,not only do I know this,but,others as well, as you know,we are not alone on this quest,my knowledge of this whole affair did not come over night,and it did not come from reading other peoples thoughts,it came from experience and what I have seen ,theres a reason I ended up hunting and investigating spirit mnt,and other places,and that reason was the stone tablets and other artifacts associated with them.np

 

[cactusjumper]

cactusjumper,you say you made your trip in 1958,but how much time have you actually spent living and searching in the mnts, can you explain the real trail markers,and petroglyphs that people should look for on this trail system,and you don't seem to understand the exact nature of the stone tablets,and other evidence associated with them,theres not only the superstition mnts,but spirit mnt,and several other mountain ranges involved, and yes,not only do I know this,but,others as well, as you know,we are not alone on this quest,my knowledge of this whole affair did not come over night,and it did not come from reading other peoples thoughts,it came from experience and what I have seen ,theres a reason I ended up hunting and investigating spirit mnt,and other places,and that reason was the stone tablets and other artifacts associated with them.np

NP,

I have never lived in the Superstitions, and have made no secret of the frequency of my trips into the mountains nor the duration of my stays. I had a life to live, and a family to support. That always required a job or a business that was not part-time.

I learned from the books that those who lived in the mountains, on a long-term basis, did not do well. Perhaps you think that Bob Ward lived well. The mountains were always a hobby for me, never a vocation. I knew a number of old timers who schooled me in the unpublished legends of the range. We spent quite a bit of time with Al Morrow.

I don't fear my past, or reputation, which is why I have always used my real name in these little games. You, on the other hand, say you lived in the Supe's. There is not one shred of evidence to back that up. Trying to inject Calalus and the Tucson Artifact into your story does nothing to bolster your reputation for most folks. Saying that the contents of OZ or OD as the story has morphed into, were moved into a "private museum in South Africa" for safe keeping is a great joke. South Africa being a well known safe location for anything is quite funny.

Took you a long time and many posts to get around to the Tucson Artifacts.

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Not Peralta]

cactusjumper,I never said anything about calalus,or the Tucson artifacts,i said artifacts associated with them,but,since you brought them up I have a question for you,since you have tried to convince people for years that the Tucson artifacts are fakes,then why are you saying now that the stone maps trail begins at the bottom of hieroglyphic canyon goes over the ridge and down a ravine into west boulder canyon,when you know that trail is exactly whats on the Tucson artifacts. and what are the markers you followed to get from hieroglyphic canyon to west boulder canyon, or did the trail just appear to you out of thin air.np

 

[Somero]

cactusjumper,you say you made your trip in 1958,but how much time have you actually spent living and searching in the mnts, can you explain the real trail markers,and petroglyphs that people should look for on this trail system,and you don't seem to understand the exact nature of the stone tablets,and other evidence associated with them,theres not only the superstition mnts,but spirit mnt,and several other mountain ranges involved, and yes,not only do I know this,but,others as well, as you know,we are not alone on this quest,my knowledge of this whole affair did not come over night,and it did not come from reading other peoples thoughts,it came from experience and what I have seen ,theres a reason I ended up hunting and investigating spirit mnt,and other places,and that reason was the stone tablets and other artifacts associated with them.np

Seems like somebody's "vacation" was not very relaxing, bad case of Harassment going on right out of the gate.

 

[cactusjumper]

NP,

For the last time.......

I will leave the "thin air" to the ghost's.

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Somero]

I really do not understand how someone who provides very few "facts" can attack somebody who backs up their information with facts, maps and photographs, makes no sense.

Joe has never had a problem sharing his conclusion to the Stone Maps, I have my own thoughts and theories, have even shared some with Joe, and he never told me I'm wrong, just to be careful how I interpret things or he provide better information in some instances.

I really don't understand attacking the man's integrity, that's just wrong. Questioning his conclusions after he provides information is just wrong, so this makes no sense. Perhaps somebody should go back and see just how many "facts" they have provided.

I'd be a bit more Blunt here but somebody would complain to the powers that be.

 

[Ponchosportal]

cactusjumper,I never said anything about calalus,or the Tucson artifacts,i said artifacts associated with them,but,since you brought them up I have a question for you,since you have tried to convince people for years that the Tucson artifacts are fakes,then why are you saying now that the stone maps trail begins at the bottom of hieroglyphic canyon goes over the ridge and down a ravine into west boulder canyon,when you know that trail is exactly whats on the Tucson artifacts. and what are the markers you followed to get from hieroglyphic canyon to west boulder canyon, or did the trail just appear to you out of thin air.np

NP, I would suggest that it is not likely you will convince anyone on this site with your all hat no cattle opinions. You have undermined your veracity by your style of presentation and lack of demonstration on this subject. It simply amazes me why you continue your efforts in this manner. Maybe it's time for you to throttle your personal attacks as it seems to me your style is not helping your credibility. Respect is earned not commanded. Just a suggestion ......... do with it what you think best.

Why do you care what cactusjumper thinks anyway?

Best of luck with your Spirit Mountain adventure!!
Ponchosportal

 

[Not Peralta]

The problem with the Superstitions and Spirit Mountain and several other sites is, "it concerns the manipulation of scientific thought through the suppression of 'enigmatic data'. Data that challenges the prevailing mode of thinking." Until people understand this, as long as people keep buying into what they have been told they always be going in circles. np only one persons opinion,mine

 

[cactusjumper]

The problem with the Superstitions and Spirit Mountain and several other sites is, it concerns the manipulation of scientific thought through the suppression of "enigmatic data". Data that challenges the prevailing mode of thinking. Until people understand this, as long as people keep buying into what they have been told they always be going in circles. np only one persons opinion,mine

NP,

It's always a little sketchy to surf the Web looking for information to impress folks with your knowledge. In this case you were searching for anything you could find on Cynthia Irwin Williams. When you try to use the exact words of Steen-Mcintyre, you should put them in quotes instead of claiming them as your own "opinion".

It looks like it's, at least, two person's opinion....... On the other hand, you do get props for quoting someone of very high intelligence.

door3aye

Pretty sad really.

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Not Peralta]

cactusjumper,I never said anything about calalus,or the Tucson artifacts,i said artifacts associated with them,but,since you brought them up I have a question for you,since you have tried to convince people for years that the Tucson artifacts are fakes,then why are you saying now that the stone maps trail begins at the bottom of hieroglyphic canyon goes over the ridge and down a ravine into west boulder canyon,when you know that trail is exactly whats on the Tucson artifacts. and what are the markers you followed to get from hieroglyphic canyon to west boulder canyon, or did the trail just appear to you out of thin air.np

what are the trail markers,or did you forget,np.

 

[cactusjumper]

what are the trail markers,or did you forget,np.

NP,

No one knows for a fact, but my brother and I did look for markers up on the ridge that separates East and West Boulder Canyons, and found two large, well built monuments, just where I expected them to be. That fact makes me believe that all eighteen places were identical monuments.

Tell us about your trail markers.

Joe Ribaudo

 

[cactusjumper]

cactusjumper,I never said anything about calalus,or the Tucson artifacts,i said artifacts associated with them,but,since you brought them up I have a question for you,since you have tried to convince people for years that the Tucson artifacts are fakes,then why are you saying now that the stone maps trail begins at the bottom of hieroglyphic canyon goes over the ridge and down a ravine into west boulder canyon,when you know that trail is exactly whats on the Tucson artifacts. and what are the markers you followed to get from hieroglyphic canyon to west boulder canyon, or did the trail just appear to you out of thin air.np

NP,

OK, which one of the artifacts show that trail?

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Not Peralta]

cactusjumper, I wanted to know what the markers were that you followed, its like I said a long time ago,i want to share my information that I have, the original trail markers for the old trail,are trident petroglyphs,and big stone monuments that were just piled up stone,no directional stone on top,the tridents are used to indicate direction,except when they are with other petroglyphs, the trident has been used in several different ranges,no one has ever paid much attention to them.np

 

[cactusjumper]

cactusjumper, I wanted to know what the markers were that you followed, its like I said a long time ago,i want to share my information that I have, the original trail markers for the old trail,are trident petroglyphs,and big stone monuments that were just piled up stone,no directional stone on top,the tridents are used to indicate direction,except when they are with other petroglyphs, the trident has been used in several different ranges,no one has ever paid much attention to them.np

NP,

Nor will I.

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Gentleman, last warning, stop the arguing.....if you don't you will not like what follows.



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[cactusjumper]

Gentleman, last warning, stop the arguing.....if you don't you will not like what follows.



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T.H.,

Don't believe anyone was arguing. Is it against the rules for folks to have opposing opinions? Are we not allowed to debate those opinions? Is this a forum or a mutual admiration society. I am not taking offense to NPs posts but wish to continue the dialog.

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

T.H.,

Don't believe anyone was arguing. Is it against the rules for folks to have opposing opinions? Are we not allowed to debate those opinions? Is this a forum or a mutual admiration society. I am not taking offense to NPs posts but wish to continue the dialog.

Joe Ribaudo

You read my warning......If you and Not Peralta want to continue the persoanal feud take it private.

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