The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

A friend working in a Pennsylvania Forest was walking in a remote area. Kicked something sticking out for the ground. It was a 50 pound gold bar. After a search he found a second. The bars were from a Civil War incident. These things do happen.
 

Hal Croves said:
somehiker,
I hope that you don't mind me questioning your belief about the stones. So, from what I understand, the Horse Stone is a map that tells the locations of its own (and the other stones) burial? That just seems illogical. Burying your own locator map with the things to be located. But, if it were intentionally buried as a locator map and was accedentially "dug up" by power shovel, that means that its original position was disturbed, making the horse stone impossible to use as point of reference. How would anyone know where to measure from? What we now know is that the new bridge was most likely completed when Tumlinson arrived in 1948 or 1949. There was much activity at that site and still no one noticed the protruding stone but Tumlinson? It just seems to be problematic.

Could you tell me just how old you think the stones might be? I am assuming "confiscated" means taken away by Americans with the loss of the territory?

I have heard of a clue that has something to do with the Horses right ear, but I do not remember where that clue came from. If anyone remembers, please post it. I will tell you that the Horses right ear is the key to placing the Horse Stone and once placed, the location of the number 5, surrounded by five dots, becomes clear. Five represents silver as a treasure symbol.

OK, thank you for taking the time to respond.
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Don't mind at all, Hal.
Based on my first visit to the discovery site, I did consider the five dots and the word "RIO" as a possible depiction of the area where the Tumlinson's (Travis and Uncle Robert) claimed to have found the stones.
At that time I suspected that the two "circle-dot's" were the locations where the stones were buried. The presence of the five additional pits, where someone had so obviously put a lot of effort into digging for something they thought was there, suggested to me that the five dots may have represented five caches where other objests were also once buried. Also that the possibility other caches in the area would have become apparent to anyone who retrieved the H/P Stone from the location shown by the lower "circle dot" and indicated as buried by the "omega like" marking above the two "circle dots". The other "circle dot" being the place where the Map Stones were found.

We do know, from Travis' recollection of events, that he wasn't able to find the Map Stones until the following year. That the site had been disturbed by prior or even ongoing construction activity may have been the reason for his failure to find all of the stones in 1948, IMO. If he had, as I believe, been using a document or chart obtained from his grandfather, any disturbance would have made his search more difficult.

I believe the original stones to be at least 166 yr's old, based on a scenario where they may have been created by one or two of the members of the Mexican group which fled Santa Fe ahead of the American invasion of 1846.This of course, would lend meaning to the "1847" carved on the stones, and raise the possibility that this group (or at least part of the group) were present in the Sups until the following year.

Documentary:
Santa Fe at 30:45.

The shape of the horse's right ear is duplicated by that of the extended thumb of the priest's right hand. Since the extended thumb seems an unnecessary extra to the image of the priest, it may very well be a clue of some kind.I have three very interesting photos taken from the tip of that ear, two which require a closer look-see.

Another possible clue in the five dots and the way they are arranged may be found in the accounts of a cave of gold bars, and the description of those ingots....

Lost Dutchman Gold Mine - Arizona Superstition Mountain Wilderness - Gold Mining ? View topic - Cave With Gold Bars

Ernie Provence (or Tracy Hawkins ?) had posted a drawing of one of those bars similar to this...

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As to the number "5" , the answer may lie in biblical numerology:

http://christianity.about.com/od/biblefactsandlists/qt/Bible-Numerology.htm

Five - A number associated with grace.

Five Levitical offerings (Leviticus 1-5).
Jesus multiplied five loaves of barely to feed 5,000 (Matthew 14:17).


Regards:SH.
 

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coazon de oro said:
Hal,

You made a very good point which would make it almost impossible for the PSM's to come out of holes 1, and 1b. This makes hole number 5 more likely to be the original.

Homar P. Olivarez
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Hole #5 with excavated dirt pile on left hand side.

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Hole #1b...a caved-in dig just east of the cow path down to QC.

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Regards:SH
 

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Ellie Baba said:
10-4 Joe.

Currently we are trying to determine the best way to market the book. The cost of publishing these days is very expensive. We are working with some people in the UK. They have placed over 500 books into the market and have enjoyed great success. I know nothing about publishing or how to market a book and they will recommend the best tactics.

You will be one of the first my friend.

Thanks for the support!

Ellie B
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Put me on the list too. I'm in.

Publishing a book is expensive if you throw in with mainline publishers. Unless you've signed contracts already, PM me and I'll show you how you can publish and get worldwide online distribution for free (or a nominal fee if you're computer illiterate). For additional nominal fees, you can put your books in commercial bookstores. Widespread marketing may be problematical because your potential audience is limited. Getler had connections and helped Brewer, although I don't believe the book sold very well. And ... it was Getler's book, not what Brewer wanted to say. Too bad JW died .. we'll probably not hear what Brewer really wants to say.
 

Somehiker,

You stated: The shape of the horse's right ear is duplicated by that of the extended thumb of the priest's right hand. Since the extended thumb seems an unnecessary extra to the image of the priest, it may very well be a clue of some kind. I have three very interesting photos taken from the tip of that ear, two which require a closer look-see.

Is it possible for you to post these three photographs? Curiosity has set in my bones.

Ellie B
 

Ellie b
I need some help with a translation.
On the horse map. I think is says go north of the river,but im not sure if im translateing that right.
Is that what you came up with.
 

Ellie Baba said:
Somehiker,

You stated: The shape of the horse's right ear is duplicated by that of the extended thumb of the priest's right hand. Since the extended thumb seems an unnecessary extra to the image of the priest, it may very well be a clue of some kind. I have three very interesting photos taken from the tip of that ear, two which require a closer look-see.

Is it possible for you to post these three photographs? Curiosity has set in my bones.

Ellie B
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EB:

Already posted two of them, one in full and one partial.
Hoping it wasn't a mistake to do so, since you might have recognized the area .
Or at least a dateable man made artifact within one of them.
Don't want to push my luck with the third.:wink:

Regards:SH.

There were two periods of history where the Gila River was a border line.
To the Jesuits from 1572-1768
To the Mexicans from 1848-1853
"AL NORTE DEL RIO" may refer to this distinction...but to which period ?
 

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peralta said:
Hello my friend , it doesnt matter what stone and the holes.they are all related.the map you have of all the gold mines,(Spanish map) is also part of it.crosses,hearts ,Latin hearts are all in the mix but there are distances in between.
You'd should join me on my next trip.
TOM
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Thanks for the offer Tom, but I think I'll stick to the Sups for now.
Sounds like you've been looking somewhere else ....
http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/g...ocation-found-but-not-superstition-mount.html
.... maybe up in Nevada ?

Regards:SH.
 

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johnmark29020 said:
Ellie b
I need some help with a translation.
On the horse map. I think is says go north of the river, but im not sure if im translateing that right.
Is that what you came up with.
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Johnmark,

Yo pasto al norte del rio, easy enough...

I pasture North of the river
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I grass to the north of the river
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I graze to the north of the river
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The question most people ask is, "Which one?" RIO not only stands for river but can also be interpreted to define a creek, stream or a body of flowing water; such as the Gila Fluss. Some times all of the above can be found with no water in them at all.

Hope that helps,

Ellie B





 

coazon de oro said:
Hal,

You made a very good point which would make it almost impossible for the PSM's to come out of holes 1, and 1b. This makes hole number 5 more likely to be the original.

Homar P. Olivarez
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coazon de oro,
Have another look at 1 & 1b. It appears that they are also in, or at the edge of an abandon road which is still visible.
 

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Ellie Baba said:
Johnmark,

Yo pasto al norte del rio, easy enough...

I pasture North of the river

I grass to the north of the river

I graze to the north of the river
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The question most people ask is, "Which one?" RIO not only stands for river but can also be interpreted to define a creek, stream or a body of flowing water; such as the Gila Fluss. Some times all of the above can be found with no water in them at all.

Hope that helps,

Ellie B
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Thanks
 

somehiker,

"I believe the original stones to be at least 166 yr's old, based on a scenario where they may have been created by one or two of the members of the Mexican group which fled Santa Fe ahead of the American invasion of 1846."

Thank you for that. May I use "traveled from Santa Fe to the Superstitions area" as one of the possible skills or traits of the map maker? For my list?
Do you have a name in mind? The population of Santa Fe was limited in 1846.
 

somehiker said:
EB:

Already posted two of them, one in full and one partial. On this thread?
Hoping it wasn't a mistake to do so, since you might have recognized the area. n/a
Or at least a dateable man made artifact within one of them. Interesting...
Don't want to push my luck with the third.:wink: Understandable. :thumbsup:
Regards:SH.

There were two periods of history where the Gila River was a border line.
To the Jesuits from 1572-1768
To the Mexicans from 1848-1853
"AL NORTE DEL RIO" may refer to this distinction...but to which period ?
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SH,

The main point or distinction is this; Find the horse in the pasture and you will know which river.

Ellie B
 

Where exactly is the placement of this text on the Horse Stone? In design, it could have been placed anywhere. Who (what) pastures north of the river?
There are quite a few maps floating about which feature the Salt River as their northern boundary.
 

Hal Croves said:
somehiker,

"I believe the original stones to be at least 166 yr's old, based on a scenario where they may have been created by one or two of the members of the Mexican group which fled Santa Fe ahead of the American invasion of 1846."

Thank you for that. May I use "traveled from Santa Fe to the Superstitions area" as one of the possible skills or traits of the map maker? For my list?
Do you have a name in mind? The population of Santa Fe was limited in 1846.
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The scenario might include names like Peralta and Oritz. Possibly Salazar and Gonzales and other surnames of wealthy families in Santa Fe
during the period as well.
Not all members of course, but some.
Any family with accumulated wealth would have been concerned about looting by the invaders.
How many had relatives working or living to the west,in Arizona, at that time ?
Superstitions,Bradshaws,Mineral Mountains.
Certainly some experience as you mention would apply, so add it to your list if you see the possibility.

Regards:SH.
 

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