The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

H-2 CHARLIE

Tell us your opinion .

Marius
 

markmar said:
Springfield

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Marius
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You're missing the point, Marius. Why would these people make the transfer of information so difficult when other means were available? And to restate my original question more clearly: are there other examples of treasure maps carved on portable slabs of rock during the modern age (post-Columbian)?
 

Hal Croves said:
cactusjumper,
Yes. How many people had that type of relationship with the "range" in the late 1940's (Not the 40's; the late 1890,s). I would bet that they can be counted on two hands. Which of those men had the skill set to conceive and to carve the stones (Many of the carved Sara monuments were already there). Your own solution to the map ultimately point to just one man (no way, many men).

"Between 1946 and 1952, a number of projects were undertaken to rebuild U.S. 60, with the most notable ones between Superior and Miami/Globe. Over 144 miles were rebuilt during this time frame."

Someone with experience in the Superstitions (yes), someone who understood the system of treasure symbols (yes), someone who was familiar with (or had access to) the highway system, perhaps involved in the construction or promotion of it (US 60 did not exist in 1890). Someone (many someone's) who had a degree of artistic skill and perhaps training. There is so much more to add to this list. As this list grows, it becomes ever more clear that we have a man (many men and women) with "extra" ordinary skills.

It is not difficult to imagine the stones being planted (yes) IMHO.
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I put a list together of professional fields that were necessary to produce some of the many parts of the DNA strand. I may have left a couple off by accident.

We know from the Infrared data performed by George Stephen III back in 1982-83 that over 2,500 people existed on one particular site (in and around the Soups) over 400 years ago. They were there long enough to build European style structures with foundations. You can find some information dedicated to George Stephen in the book, "Mountain of God", please see below.


  1. Astronomer; one who can describe a lunar standstill
  2. Navigator; one who could travel the sea and the earth
  3. Cartographer, one who makes maps
  4. Surveyor; one who can accurately measure distances, elevations and document locations of landmarks
  5. Mathematician; one who can produce and solve highly technical problems
  6. Architect; one who understands every type of building construction technique known by man
  7. Stone mason; one who can accurately produce anything having to do with rock
  8. Geologist; someone familiar with the earth’s entire crust
  9. Chemist; one who can do anything with chemicals
  10. Botanist; a specialist dealing with desert type plants (primarily) and other world plants
  11. Artist; one who can create any form on any surface
  12. World Historian; familiar with man and all his achievements recorded throughout world history
  13. Native American expert; Expert knowledge of all Native Americans and their histories
  14. Pre-Columbian expert; Expert knowledge of all known types of early man
  15. Religious expert; Expert in all fields of religious beliefs


George Stephen III, he and Kathy were some of the nicest people I have known.

Dr. Shockey writes:

Early spring of 1988 brought some astounding new information concerning the physical remains of a manmade
structure on the northeast section of Mt. Ararat. It began very unexpectedly as I was eating enchiladas at a restaurant in
Truth or Consequences, New Mexico where I was introduced to George Stephen III and his wife Kathy.
During the course of our meal together, George asked a simple question: "What are your hobbies, Shockey?" It was
an easy question and my answer was immediate. "My number one goal is to verify the existence of Noah’s Ark." I
continued by giving George a summary of the historic searches and the problems in obtaining any help from our
government regarding U-2 and/or satellite photos. George's reply shocked me. "Don", he said, "I have access to special
technology, and can within two weeks have information on any square foot of land anywhere on the globe!"
I challenged his statement, and he backed up his claim with information about his military background and the newer
technology, which he had helped develop for our government in the area of infra-red analysis from satellites located 240
miles in space. He then asked me for some coordinates pertaining to my area of search. He said he would get back to me
within two weeks.
George kept his word. It was two weeks to the day when he called from California. Using the technology, he had
analyzed the area on Mt. Ararat and found two man-made objects in the Abich II glacier. He determined these objects to
be definitely man-made.
"Are you sure, George?" was my next question, and one I should not have asked. He reminded me that this is his
area of expertise, then went on to explain why he was so sure. The two pieces are rectangular, and approximately one
thousand feet in separation. He said that natural formations are not so specific in shape, and he emphasized his certainty
that the shapes were not background rock. He then gave me the approximate elevation and also the depth, which the
objects were covered with ice and snow.
Aware that he was "sticking his neck out" to help me, I asked him if I flew out to his base location, bringing a map of
Mt. Ararat could he, without compromising any secret information, mark the two locations with an "X." He agreed that this
was acceptable and would not compromise any classified material.
I met with George a few days later, and the mission was accomplished. George Adams, Robin Simmons, and Chuck
Aaron were invited to join me at this meeting where Stephen gave his information. The date was June 30, 1989.
Now for the first time we had hard scientific evidence of something large and foreign on the mountain. Was it the ark?
There was no way of verifying it without an expedition to reach the area and examine the two objects. If they were
found to be anything other than the biblical description in Genesis, they could not be remains of the ark. The ark's
dimensions would be the first criteria of identification.
The ideal time to explore the mountain is the last two weeks of July through the first two weeks of August when
optimum melt down of the snow and ice normally will have occurred. Even this "window" has no guarantee of success.
Armed with Stephen's information, hasty preparations were made for a climb to the location. The necessary
equipment was collected. Ahmet Arslan was contracted to be the primary guide for a considerable amount of money, and
Don Shockey 355

George had later actually given me a piece of the Ark (gopher wood) which I in turn later had given to David Bagley of Angel Fire Water fame located in Angel Fire, New Mexico in 2006. I gave him my auditioned copy of the book. I still have the VHS recordings that George had given me. I received these items from George in 1996 after my Father passed away.

We spent a lot of money as we hired the best people available for the job. It takes money to make money and knowledge can be expensive.

Catch you all later,

Ellie Baba
 

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tom dunkle said:
It seems to me that if someone created the H/P Map why would they stop there? A person that talented, knowing the lay of the land could also have created any number of trail signs and even incorporated signs in the Superstitions that he/she knew about that were already there. Maybe the maps were created to lead away from something instead of to something. Just something to think about.

It has always appeared to me that the trail maps are real and the H/P Map is not.

Tom
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Tom and Springfield. They accomplished both with the Stone Maps. The Horse Map is the real McCoy as it leads you (to include the Sara and the 1900-02 Florence Quads) to the hearts and the trail map.

One cannot be used without the other.

EB
 

Springfield said:
I'm curious. Has anyone heard of another example where this type of information was chiseled into such a cumbersome, heavy set of rocks? The Hopi Prophecy stones and the Ten Commandments don't count.

Hate to be simplistic, but the alleged reason for the stone maps' existence (treasure clues) has never made sense to me. Stone carvings? Yes, permanently done at some accessible location. Portable maps? Yes, on any number of convenient media - leather, vellum, paper, cloth, etc. Why four heavy rocks?
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Springfield,

This very fact is mentioned in the first or second book published by Chuck Kenworthy. I do not remember which one and where.

EB
 

Ellie Baba said:
I put a list together of professional fields that were necessary to produce some of the many parts of the DNA strand. I may have left a couple off by accident. ....


  1. Astronomer; one who can describe a lunar standstill
  2. Navigator; one who could travel the sea and the earth
  3. Cartographer, one who makes maps
  4. Surveyor; one who can accurately measure distances, elevations and document locations of landmarks
  5. Mathematician; one who can produce and solve highly technical problems
  6. Architect; one who understands every type of building construction technique known by man
  7. Stone mason; one who can accurately produce anything having to do with rock
  8. Geologist; someone familiar with the earth’s entire crust
  9. Chemist; one who can do anything with chemicals
  10. Botanist; a specialist dealing with desert type plants (primarily) and other world plants
  11. Artist; one who can create any form on any surface
  12. World Historian; familiar with man and all his achievements recorded throughout world history
  13. Native American expert; Expert knowledge of all Native Americans and their histories
  14. Pre-Columbian expert; Expert knowledge of all known types of early man
  15. Religious expert; Expert in all fields of religious beliefs
....
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Why, Ellie. It sounds like you're describing J. Frank Dalton's 'Organization'.
 

Springfield,

I couldn't have said it any better.. you genius! History does have a way of repeating itself. HA!

Ellie Babalouie
 

Did anyone ever notice any miniature markings or numbers or faint markings on the stones? I could before, but now I can`t so much. Maybe it`s my new computer, or they changed something to prevent me from zooming in. I can see what looks like a faint outline of a face on the top left portion of the heart insert, just above the zig zag line. It looks like the number 3 just behind the eye. The minds eye. Maybe there are still clues to be found that are not so obvious.
 

Hal Croves said:
That is quite a small area being represented by the two stones. Most people think of miles for a scale and here your solution looks to be a few feet. I would like to see a better photograph if you have one. Still very curious.

roadrunner,
The question is, was Tumlinson on his way south or returning north when he pulled the car over. Makes sense that the travel direction would have placed Travis on the east or west side of the highway. From where they are believed to be found, Travis must have been heading north... unless he walked across the highway after parking. But again, why Tumlinson? The odds were incredible.
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Hal:

Tumlinson retrieved the stones from a relatively small area. While the stones were buried, there may have been something above ground indicating where to dig.
The curious shape of the top of the head may also be a clue as to where to look.
A "monument" such as this would also, with two symbols each found on one of the "trail maps", make a good marker at the beginning of a trail, IMO.



When Tumlinson was there, US 60 was a two-lane with a rest stop at the location. North or south only would only have required a right or left turn into the rest stop. Travis Tumlinson was the grandson of John (PegLeg) Tumlinson....Coronado's children: tales of lost mines and buried treasures of the Southwest - James Frank Dobie - Google Books

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PegLeg may have had other charts/waybills, which were passed down to Travis.
It may have been one of these which Travis decided to follow up on, when passing through the area.

Regards:SH
 

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Cubfan64 said:
I've grown tired of the constant rehashing of old information for the umpteenth time with folks who don't do their own research. Also gotten tired of reading so many outlandish claims of being the "sole finder" of the LDM by numerous folks every year - with absolutely no viable proof ever presented. In light of all that, I've dropped back to checking in on the forums once a month at most.

That said, I'd love to do an experiment... everyone who thinks they know (or even have heard) where the Stone Maps were found, please use a map program, do a cut and past and post here a map image of exactly where you think they were found.

I'll take a wild guess here... I bet there will only be a few that match closely.
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Cubfan64,
Here is my understanding of where they were located. I would not be surprised to learn that it is incorrect. Somewhere between the arrows?

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somehiker,
That has me scratching my head. I can not wait until the day that you lay it all out for us... your discovery. Leaves me with a few more questions, Thanks for posting that!

markmar,
 

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markmar said:
Hal

You can not criticize me because you did not follow my theory . A theory is true untill somebody prove how is not . In my theory I combined three stones maps (four if include the heart in the trail map ) and one clue . Are many other clues which show the same point but from other directions .
If you have a theory to solve the stone map , tell us , or if you have not , you still searching when and who made the stones tablets . Maybe if you will find who is , he/she will tell you how to solve the map .

Marius
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Not a criticism at all, so please do not feel like you are being attacked. There are no absolutes where the stones are concerned. Just lots of ideas. A theory is however, a theory, and should never be considered truth until it emerges from theory to hard fact. Yes, I have already demonstrated my theory. They are a modern work, created by the only man who could have created them at the time (late 1940's). For the sake of argument, lets assume that cactusjumper's solution is the correct one. It would have taken a very special person with very specific skills to make the stone map cipher (based on cactusjumper's map). I believe that I know the mans name, but I have made too many missteps in the past to fall on my own sword again. If they belong to the Superstitions, and if they are read how I believe they are to be read, than only one man could have accomplished it. Which is why I started the list of skills. I honestly believe that when that list is long enough, most of the more diehard researchers here will come to the same conclusion that I have. Why not contribute to the list? What do you have to lose?
 

Stone vs. parchment/paper?

Which do you think would be easier to recreate. A stone map with almost no way of dating, or a work on paper/parchment? Seems that even the best forger (example:M Hoffman) could not avoid detection with works done on paper. I would have picked stone. Carve them, drop them at a location and wait for the results. No concerns over weathering or damage. Just sit back and let the discovery happen. YES, hauling around stones is not very practical, which is another red flag.
 

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