The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

[EE THr]

Re: The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

Mrs. O---

Thanks for filling in about the heart you found. And bravo for your search, by the way.

 

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[Blindbowman]

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EE Thr & Joe,
You may find it helpful to look at the scale of your map. Compare your findings to the cartographic standards of the time... either the 1700's if you believe the charts to be Jesuit, or 1847 if you consider the Peralta story, or the early 1900's ie. - the Florence map, or something more recent......... Just a suggestion.

Hal---

I have had that in mind. In fact, if the bottom line on the trail maps were to represent the Gila River, then there would be a date indication regarding the drop on the left of it to the Southwesterly direction. It resembles modern maps, but only because of the canal "bypass." It appears that the river itself did not turn Southwesterly, but went Westward and upward. So, if the Trail Maps depicted the canal, then they wouldn't be "old."

And there is still the remarkable similarities of the Trail Maps to the Julia map and it's copy that I posted earlier, what with the X's water sources, and trail shape, and that darned "needle." These two maps would also indicate that the bottom line is as Joe indicated---the Southern end of the Supers, rather than the Gila. Oh, and there's also that Apache Camp marked on the paper map, where the Trail Map has the teepee-looking symbol. Very strange coincidences.

Are the Trail Maps and the Julia map and copy somehow related?

EE . where is the Apache Camp out there now ...lol

 

[Blindbowman]

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the topic is the peralta stones .are they set or not ..?

 

[Blindbowman]

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can anyone within a reasonable dout prove they have anything what so ever to do with the peralta family ...?

 

[Blindbowman]

Re: The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

can anyone prove the witch is a witch or if its a priest can anyone prove its a priest ...?

 

[cactusjumper]

Re: The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

EE Thr & Joe,
You may find it helpful to look at the scale of your map. Compare your findings to the cartographic standards of the time... either the 1700's if you believe the charts to be Jesuit, or 1847 if you consider the Peralta story, or the early 1900's ie. - the Florence map, or something more recent......... Just a suggestion.

Hal---

I have had that in mind. In fact, if the bottom line on the trail maps were to represent the Gila River, then there would be a date indication regarding the drop on the left of it to the Southwesterly direction. It resembles modern maps, but only because of the canal "bypass." It appears that the river itself did not turn Southwesterly, but went Westward and upward. So, if the Trail Maps depicted the canal, then they wouldn't be "old."

And there is still the remarkable similarities of the Trail Maps to the Julia map and it's copy that I posted earlier, what with the X's water sources, and trail shape, and that darned "needle." These two maps would also indicate that the bottom line is as Joe indicated---the Southern end of the Supers, rather than the Gila. Oh, and there's also that Apache Camp marked on the paper map, where the Trail Map has the teepee-looking symbol. Very strange coincidences.

Are the Trail Maps and the Julia map and copy somehow related?

EE,

For me, the "Needle" points more towards a fraud than authenticity. Someone took some of the things on Julia's map and used them on the Stone Maps. Timelines become an issue here.

Once you see that the bent arrow ends where the marked trail starts down into West Boulder, it certainly makes a case for the rest of the map. Julia first attempted to enter the mountains, with Rhiney, at Hog Canyon. Just one canyon west of Hieroglyphic Canyon.

Joe

 

[Blindbowman]

Re: The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

the reason why julia's map had simbolics from the stones is because waltz had seen the stones and he gave her the map ..just because julia could not read the direction waltz gave her dose not mean they were a frud at all . you asume to much joe ....show me the best map you have for julia i want to see if its the same map i have seen ..

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

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HIO BB, the coordinates of the placer of Paramo are =

28* 00' 26.1560"N. Latitude
108* 56' 56' 5.8662. W Long.

Shucks, everyone in here has known that for several years, including Joe. You ?

As for dangerous predators, or humans, I see that you aren't acquainted with their unpredictable action or reaction, sheesh. bunny wabbits perhaps.

You have such an impossible no of potential reactions for non dangerous ones, that it is useless. Stick to a OUIJI board.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 

[Blindbowman]

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HIO BB, the coordinates of the placer of Paramo are =

28* 00' 26.1560"N. Latitude
108* 56' 56' 5.8662. W Long.

Shucks, everyone in here has known that for several years, including Joe. You ?

As for dangerous predators, or humans, I see that you aren't acquainted with their unpredictable action or reaction, sheesh. bunny wabbits perhaps.

You have such an impossible no of potential reactions for non dangerous ones, that it is useless. Stick to a OUIJI board.

Don Jose de La Mancha

this coming from a man that has no pictures of Tayopa treasure . where are the bells RT . your not going to find them down there in old mexico ..lol

and you are correct those could be the lon and lat for the paramo . not the EL Paramo

you would not hold my breath waiting for you to find the TAYOPA treasure trove .. its not going to happen ..lol

joe beleives he could translate the stones to lol thats not saying much RT

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

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Julia made maps, alright - lots and lots of different maps. She obviously didn't have the exact directions, because, if she'd had it right, she'd have had the LDM.

That one map I saw was very suspicious - it had thread coming out of the needle ...... That's a joke, BB, not a trueism, just a joke.

But, Julia did make several maps. She made it a habit to sell a "map" to anyone who had a buck or two.

Beth

 

[mrs.oroblanco]

Re: The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

BB,

We have already planned a hike after the rendezvous with someone else.

Joe,

I'm beginning to feel like you are being threatened.


Beth

 

[Blindbowman]

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Julia made maps, alright - lots and lots of different maps. She obviously didn't have the exact directions, because, if she'd had it right, she'd have had the LDM.

That one map I saw was very suspicious - it had thread coming out of the needle ...... That's a joke, BB, not a trueism, just a joke.

But, Julia did make several maps. She made it a habit to sell a "map" to anyone who had a buck or two.

Beth

thats very true Beth ,, what she did not know is waltz had gave her a map to where the stones were . it was not to the mine it self ..and yes i can prove it at the Rendenzous ..

 

[EE THr]

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For me, the "Needle" points more towards a fraud than authenticity. Someone took some of the things on Julia's map and used them on the Stone Maps. Timelines become an issue here.

That's the way I see it, too.

Do you have any thoughts about the "Apache Camp" notation on "Julia's" map?

 

[cactusjumper]

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EE,

Hard to make any kind of logical comments using "Julia's Map". First, there are no known (original) maps from Julia Thomas in existence......as far as I know. Apaches did not stay in one place, so
having one of their camps on a map is somewhat useless.

Now that is just my opinion, based on the facts that are available and that I have seen. If you can figure out something using "Julia's Map", you're up there in the rarefied air of bb's world.....very thin.

Joe

 

[Blindbowman]

Re: The "Peralta" Stone Maps --- On Their Own

EE,

Hard to make any kind of logical comments using "Julia's Map". First, there are no known (original) maps from Julia Thomas in existence......as far as I know. Apaches did not stay in one place, so
having one of their camps on a map is somewhat useless.

Now that is just my opinion, based on the facts that are available and that I have seen. If you can figure out something using "Julia's Map", you're up there in the rarefied air of bb's world.....very thin.

Joe

not really joe . the one simbolic dose look like a teapee and waltz did talk about indain riuns ...her map also had a horses head on it .. from what i have learn ..and the apache did take dr throne to a location where they gave him ore .. i know where that is and i dont find your statement funny at all ..

 

[EE THr]

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EE,

Hard to make any kind of logical comments using "Julia's Map". First, there are no known (original) maps from Julia Thomas in existence......as far as I know. Apaches did not stay in one place, so
having one of their camps on a map is somewhat useless.

Now that is just my opinion, based on the facts that are available and that I have seen. If you can figure out something using "Julia's Map", you're up there in the rarefied air of bb's world.....very thin.

Joe

I think probably the only thing that can be "figured out" using Julia's map, and the copy posted, is that they are too similar to the Stone Maps.

From what I've read, which is certainly a lot less than you have studied of it over the years, I didn't think that there was any single place around there which stood out significantly enough to be considered "the" Apache camp. But I just wondered if you had any specific knowledge or ideas about that.

So, now I'm wondering why it's on that paper map in the first place. If there was no camp there, then how would marking it on there ever help anyone who was trying to follow the map? And besides, even if it was there, who would want to go right past a hostile Indian camp, back in (supposedly) those days? Strange.

I guess the point being, that it doesn't even make a good "fake" map!

 

[Cubfan64]

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Joe - you said...

Julia first attempted to enter the mountains, with Rhiney, at Hog Canyon. Just one canyon west of Hieroglyphic Canyon.

I know I've asked you this before, but my memory sucks and I'm too lazy to go back and try to find it again.

You've stated this on a number of occasions as fact and not just your opinion - can you remind me yet again what the evidence is to suggest this is where they FIRST made their attempt to find the mine?

Oh and what Beth said about feeling as though you are being threatened - I know you have someone on ignore and so do I, but for what it's worth, there have been some veiled as well as not so veiled threats made over the last few weeks and months and I hope folks are at the very least taking them seriously. The tone of some of the posts has gotten very abusive, profane and even had mention of "guns" and "killer" comments once. The posts are getting to the point where I'm starting to get uncomfortable. I know for myself at least I am taking it seriously.

 

[sgtfda]

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I've noticed this as well Cubfan. I for one would not say things can't happen. I worked in a nice middle class area where those things don't happen but did. We had the LAfitness shooting and the Bahmhammers shooting rampage. The outing next month concerns me. I will be attending and will keep a eye on things. We will all have a good time without incident.
The problem with the LDM is that it attracts people with issues. As we have all seen.

 

[Blindbowman]

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I've noticed this as well Cubfan. I for one would not say things can't happen. I worked in a nice middle class area where those things don't happen but did. We had the LAfitness shooting and the Bahmhammers shooting rampage. The outing next month concerns me. I will be attending and will keep a eye on things. We will all have a good time without incident.
The problem with the LDM is that it attracts people with issues. As we have all seen.

if you refering to me as your topic . i apologize for my actions but things are happening you have no under standing of ...

 

[sgtfda]

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BB you need to keep things in perspective. Everyone on this link has their opinion on the LDM. It is not the end of the world if others do not agree with you. As long as you believe in your thing is what counts. Keep the joy in your search and put the negative behind you. Remember the universal law. Give good, receive good. Give bad, receive bad.