Pirate Treasure-Trying to get a permit to dig up

[Salvor6]

ECS could you post a link or citation on your Ross Is. info?

 

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[vor]

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/treasure-leads/37028-ross-island-florida-pirate-story.html

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[ECS]

ECS could you post a link or citation on your Ross Is. info?

In the March 1977 issue of "LOST TREASURE" magazine,Howard M Duffy gave an account of the Ross Island raid,emphasizing that treasure was still to be found there-as treasure mags are apt to do.
A basic account of this action:Pirates of Tampa Bay, FL | Trop On!

 

[ECS]

Are you saying that pirates never buried their loot? Where did they keep it before they spent it? Where did they spend it?

A pirate hangout was where they stayed when not on the ship. They had to acquire food and water. Do your research!

... After all you claim they spent their money somewhere...

They raided Ross Island and found no treasure? Duh! Maybe it was hidden...

Rocky Bluff covered an area along the river that was about 2 plus miles in length.

Please answer at least one question. It is a FACT that there was pirate activity on the Manatee River which is situated at the lower edge of Tampa Bay... Please tell me exactly what they would have done with any gold or silver they stole from passing ships... just your attempt at the facts.

This site provides many of the answers to the questions you posed-scroll down to "TEN FACTS ABOUT PIRATES".
Pirates and Privateers

 

[Bigdogdad]

This site provides many of the answers to the questions you posed-scroll down to "TEN FACTS ABOUT PIRATES".
Pirates and Privateers

So a guy writes his opinion on how he thinks it was back then. Do you believe everything you read? Do you think accurate records were kept of all things going on from the 1500's. This guys claims that the "Golden Age" of piracy lasted 25 years. Where do you suppose he got this "fact"? He wasn't there. Did he read it somewhere else and put it in his own book? How much of what we read can we be sure is the "facts"? I think we all tend to believe what we want to. ECS-If you don't think there is any treasure in Florida waiting to be found, please keep spreading the word. All the more for us believers to find.

 

[Bigdogdad]

ECS-I have noticed a continuing theme to your posts on Treasurenet especially when it comes to anything that I write about. I think you need to start your own website so that you can spread the "word". Since you seem to believe there is very little if any treasure waiting to be found you can call your website TreasureNOT. On your website you can quote only the sources you choose to believe. I am sure you will find lots of naysayers who will help you educate us less informed individuals.

Just think about how great it would be on TreasureNOT, no need to buy metal detectors because nothing but junk is waiting to be found. No need for shovels. You don't have to worry about getting your hands all icky and dirty digging for something that isn't even there. All the TreasureNOT members will be constantly "liking" each other as they are so smart and clever unlike some of us dumbos that actually think we might dig up something valuable.

Of course the TreasureNOT members will never fall prey to those horrible treasure mag people that are trying to make money off of the unwary readers. TreasureNOT members all know that you can't believe ANYTHING that is written in those terrible "mags".

TreasureNOT members will all know that the stories about buried treasure can all be attributed to nothing more than "Legends and Lore". Anybody that knows anything knows that legends and lore can't be true because you can't find pictures, diaries or newspaper articles to back them up but all TNOT members know you can believe EVERYTHING you read in old diaries, newspaper articles and military reports.

Think how easy it will be to be a TNOT member. All you have to do is sit in your chair and make fun of all those gullible people out there digging holes. Go get em ECS.

 

[searcher40]

All i can say is that if i was walking along on some state/public land and tripped over a stash of gold or silver,the last thing that entered my mind would be asking permission from the state to pick it up. whats that old saying-loose lips sink ships. be quiet,recover,enjoy.

 

[ECS]

So a guy writes his opinion on how he thinks it was back then. Do you believe everything you read? Do you think accurate records were kept of all things going on from the 1500's. This guys claims that the "Golden Age" of piracy lasted 25 years. Where do you suppose he got this "fact"? He wasn't there. Did he read it somewhere else and put it in his own book? How much of what we read can we be sure is the "facts"? I think we all tend to believe what we want to. ECS-If you don't think there is any treasure in Florida waiting to be found, please keep spreading the word. All the more for us believers to find.

...and the point being made on this and *1086 post is...?

 

[ECS]

... the place where they planted the palm trees is a virtual DUMP! It's a place where the local kids came to party. It's littered with trash...

Salvor6,did you know that this site,in the late 1890's and early 1900's was FULLER's EARTHWORKS? They did a lot of digging here and even had a dock on the Manatee River.Also Fuller's Earthworks is part of the well known Florida ghost story,THE GHOST DOG OF ROCKY BLUFF.

 

[Bigdogdad]

All i can say is that if i was walking along on some state/public land and tripped over a stash of gold or silver,the last thing that entered my mind would be asking permission from the state to pick it up. whats that old saying-loose lips sink ships. be quiet,recover,enjoy.

I have never heard of anybody walking along and tripping over a stash of gold or silver but I was led to a spot under an I-75 interstate overpass and shown a location near a support column where I was told a large pile of silver was buried at a depth that was not easily dug and was also told that it would be a third degree felony to get caught trying to dig up this possible silver which just happens to be in a spot out in the open where thousands of cars pass by within plain view and just so happens to be not far from the sheriffs main sub-station and about 100 feet from where cops like to sit to take breaks but I would like to thank you for the pep talk and at this point would be more than willing to show you the area where this silver might be just in case you would like to come by and see if you can trip over it and I will sit in my truck and attempt to keep my loose lips sealed shut so as not to sink your ship so that you can make a quiet recovery by just picking it up and then enjoy.

 

[Bigdogdad]

...and the point being made on this and *1086 post is...?

You don't seem to think there is any treasure to be found and seem to want to discourage myself and others from trying.

 

[Bigdogdad]

Salvor6,did you know that this site,in the late 1890's and early 1900's was FULLER's EARTHWORKS? They did a lot of digging here and even had a dock on the Manatee River.Also Fuller's Earthworks is part of the well known Florida ghost story,THE GHOST DOG OF ROCKY BLUFF.

Man, that Rocky Bluff has been one busy place. Keep in mind that it stretches along the river for a mile or two. What was Fuller's Earthworks digging for? Did you know there is also a legend here of the "Singing River". Keep digging and you can find lots more stories about this area.

 

[ECS]

You don't seem to think there is any treasure to be found and seem to want to discourage myself and others from trying.

You have never presented any substantial evidence that there is treasure at Rocky Bluff,who put it there and when.
Fuller's Earthworks was located where your truck was parked in that article posted above and the in the palm tree photo.
Yes,I heard of the singing river tale-how does that relate to buried treasure?

 

[ECS]

Man, that Rocky Bluff has been one busy place. Keep in mind that it stretches along the river for a mile or two. What was Fuller's Earthworks digging for? Did you know there is also a legend here of the "Singing River". Keep digging and you can find lots more stories about this area.

"Lots more stories" of legend and lore.

 

[Bigdogdad]

You have never presented any substantial evidence that there is treasure at Rocky Bluff,who put it there and when.
Fuller's Earthworks was located where your truck was parked in that article posted above and the in the palm tree photo.
Yes,I heard of the singing river tale-how does that relate to buried treasure?

How does the "singing River" relate to buried treasure? About the same way as your reference to THE GHOST DOG OF ROCKY BLUFF.

Substantial evidence? First off I DO NOT have to provide dudeley squat to you or any one else on here. I am not on trial and don't have to prove anything. Who put it there is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT to me. WHEN they put it there makes no difference. You just don't get it do you? It is either there or not. Period. The ONLY way to know for sure is to dig it up. That was the whole purpose of all this.

I was more than willing to do things any way the FDOT wanted to. I asked permission to be at least allowed to do a proper survey with GPR and core drilling. If nothing showed up I would drop the whole idea. They would not let me do ANYTHING. I was told that if there was a large pile of silver there the best thing for the state to do would be to leave it alone so that they would not have to deal with it. They also do not want to allow or encourage ANYONE to look for or dig for any treasure anywhere in the state of FLORIDUH!

 

[ECS]

Yes,BDD,I get it-its either there or not-it has always seem to not.
As for the State of Florida,we all know the 50 year rule.

 

[Bigdogdad]

ECS- Your insistence that there be a written record of a treasure being buried for it to exist is totally asinine. I will give you an example so please read it slowly. Instead of pirate we will substitute drug dealer. The drug dealer/pirate is engaged in not what you would call acceptable behavior (unless it is in a Hollywood movie). The dealer rakes in lots of money. He does not want to put the money in a bank. He hides in where he thinks no one will find it. He makes no written record of its existence. He tells no one where it is. He dies without recovering it. He had buried it near a large tree. There it sits waiting to be found.

Does his identity, the date of burying, the fact that he did not write about it, whether it is gold, silver, diamonds, paper currency or anything else about it have much bearing or effect on someone coming along in the future that may have found the spot where it is buried? It is either still buried there or not. Period. Does any of this make any sense to you?

For relevancy here, I was led to this spot 27 years ago by a competent dowser and then this spot was re-confirmed on numerous occasions dating back over 25 years ago by others using electronic methods. There is a large pile of non-ferrous metal buried there. As I have stated repeatedly in this very long thread, it could easily be a highway sign or other piece or pile of junk. I just wanted to know what is there.

 

[Bigdogdad]

Yes,BDD,I get it-its either there or not-it has always seem to not.
As for the State of Florida,we all know the 50 year rule.

I am not sure what you mean by the "50 year rule". Are you talking about the law that anything over 50 years old belongs to the state? This is a moot point as I never really expected to get anything out of this after talking to the State Archies at the beginning of this saga. They made it very clear that they felt it belonged to "them". Of course they were not willing to get off their buttholes to even bother to check into it. They seem to hate treasure hunters. They're not willing to do any digging and they don't want anybody else to either.

 

[ECS]

BDD,no where have I ever stated that a "written record" existed for buried treasure,that is your assumption.
Your drug dealer analogy has no bearing on pirates,unless of course there was money laundering at Port Royal,or an Italian sport car dealership.But like drug dealers,pirates spent their gains and lived fast.
If Rocky Bluff was a well known pirate hangout,why would any pirate bury a chest of silver at a hangout that was well known and used by various pirate bands?If you were a pirate,would you?

 

[Bigdogdad]

BDD,no where have I ever stated that a "written record" existed for buried treasure,that is your assumption.
Your drug dealer analogy has no bearing on pirates,unless of course there was money laundering at Port Royal,or an Italian sport car dealership.But like drug dealers,pirates spent their gains and lived fast.
If Rocky Bluff was a well known pirate hangout,why would any pirate bury a chest of silver at a hangout that was well known and used by various pirate bands?If you were a pirate,would you?

You continually ask about the origin of the supposed treasure. If your expecting a written record and you are given anything else you just bring up your tired "Legend and Lore" response.

I guess the drug dealer analogy and its relevancy went over your head.

Okay so the pirates spent their money. Where do you propose that they spent it? After it was spent and changed hands where was it placed? Please attempt to at least answer these simple questions.

I never said it was a chest of silver. I am guessing a pile of silver bars.

The word "hangout" refers to a two mile stretch. That is a lot of woods.

Let's forget the word "pirate" in conjunction with this story.

There is a 300 plus year history of activity at this site. Do you want to argue about that too?

Maybe it was buried by the Fuller Earthworks dudes. Like I have said, I don't care nor does it matter to me who buried it.

If I were a pirate and it was mine I would spend it on fast women, a fast sailboat, and live fast. Yeah baby!!