Pirate Treasure-Trying to get a permit to dig up

[lastleg]

ECS mentioned Mr Duffy, a literal human storehouse of ''vicinities of treasure". Back in the glorious days
of treasure galore we sopped it up like manna. Why I even left my job one time to hunt for a wagonload
of gold bars and it was only 80 miles away down on a bend in the Brazos. It was a whopper of a tale and
I even got a signed agreement to wander over 300 prime acres of live oaks and rattlers to find a king's
ransom. Well, those bars that the children played with in that old log cabin got moved one night, only a
mile or two and put down in the ground with a plow disc for a tombstone. Why I even figured out how
that pioneer found them at rivers edge. Most likely it came from comancheros crossing the river running
bank full by Texas Rangers. Course no one knew about the gold with all the bullets flying around and
those rangers didn't quit till every one of those thieving devils were lying face up in the dust or floating
downstream. Those little bars of pure gold were about corn ear size and laid under a bed till the
sodbuster got nervous having all that gold under the bed and pulled up the wagon next to the cabin
and loaded them all up and was gone less than one hour coming back with the empty wagon.
Wasn't till years later that it came to me those folks surely recovered every last one of those bars
before they pulled up stakes.

 

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[ECS]

You continually ask about the origin of the supposed treasure...

Okay so the pirates spent their money. Where do you propose that they spent it? After it was spent and changed hands where was it placed? Please attempt to at least answer these simple questions.

I never said it was a chest of silver. I am guessing a pile of silver bars..

Let's forget the word "pirate" in conjunction with this story.

There is a 300 plus year history of activity at this site. Do you want to argue about that too?

Maybe it was buried by the Fuller Earthworks dudes. Like I have said, I don't care nor does it matter to me who buried it...

The 300 year history of activity in this area was sporadic,not consistant until Dr Joseph Braden built his stockade in 1854, where the Manatee and Braden rivers meet,during the 2nd Seminole War.

 

[Bigdogdad]

The 300 year history of activity in this area was sporadic,not consistant until Dr Joseph Braden built his stockade in 1854, where the Manatee and Braden rivers meet,during the 2nd Seminole War.

I never said whether it was sporadic or consistent. It makes no difference. Maybe some of the pirates and visitors forgot to check in and register when they went up the river. As there was no real written record for most activity let's not nitpick about the exact details of what may or may not have happened. It is all conjecture on everyone's part. All I am concerned about is figuring out a way to know where to dig and how deep.

 

[Salvor6]

Looks like ECS can't answer any of your questions. Why do you bother answering his?

 

[Peyton Manning]

it's slightly curious to me that soooo many people had such gold treasures in the old days.
Was the gold that abundant?

 

[Bigdogdad]

Looks like ECS can't answer any of your questions. Why do you bother answering his?

I have always tried to answer any questions that are asked of me even if I think they might be stupid, and yes there is such a thing. I have always noticed that most critics or negative people will almost never answer a direct question given them although they expect to be given replies to no matter what they ask. It is easy for them as they are hiding in front of a computer monitor.

 

[Bigdogdad]

it's slightly curious to me that soooo many people had such gold treasures in the old days.
Was the gold that abundant?

There have been gold rushes in Georgia, California and Alaska in just the last 150 years. South and Central America had lots of it dug up over a period of thousands of years. Are you asking a serious question or just being sarcastic? I soooo want to know.

 

[ECS]

Looks like ECS can't answer any of your questions...

...and which questions might that be,Salvor6?

 

[Bigdogdad]

...and which questions might that be,Salvor6?

Here are a few for you to answer.

1. Long before there were banks, where do you think people would hide any gold they may own if they didn't own a house?

2. Is it possible that there may be silver bars buried right where I think they may be at Rocky Bluff?

3. If you can figure out a way to detect buried gold or silver does it really matter if there was no known historical record of where it came from if it is on private property?

4. Is it possible that a treasure that is known only by a legend or lore to actually exist waiting to be found?

 

[ECS]

Exercise in the hypothetical realm

Here are a few for you to answer.

1. Long before there were banks, where do you think people would hide any gold they may own if they didn't own a house?

2. Is it possible that there may be silver bars buried right where I think they may be at Rocky Bluff?

3. If you can figure out a way to detect buried gold or silver does it really matter if there was no known historical record of where it came from if it is on private property?

4. Is it possible that a treasure that is known only by a legend or lore to actually exist waiting to be found?

1.If they were of a transient lifestyle,as a pirate,they would keep their valuables close at hand-why would one bury ones valuables at a location they did not own or may never return to?Cash at hand has always been the rule of the day.
2.Possible,not probable-How do you know,beyond a reasonable doubt that silver bars are buried at Rocky Bluff?
3.Please rephrase this question-Not quite sure of what you are asking?
4.Possible-that is where research is involved,to discover if there is any merit to the lore or legend.
Example-The Atocha and other wrecks were not legends,they were confirmed by documentation of records and manifests.What was unknown were the exact locations where they went down.
Refering back to question#2-350years of activity,well known pirate hangout,dowser and LRL's claim silver is buried there is just a continuation of lore,not substance.

 

[Frankn]

Look here's what you do. you get one of these yellow construction safety hats with a blue lightning bolt on the front and an orange safety vest. Now set up a couple of those safety bucks and start looking. You will look just like the Miss utility man. when you start digging you look like the utility co. Hay it will help to get some big decals for the van. Frank...
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[Bigdogdad]

1.If they were of a transient lifestyle,as a pirate,they would keep their valuables close at hand-why would one bury ones valuables at a location they did not own or may never return to?Cash at hand has always been the rule of the day.
2.Possible,not probable-How do you know,beyond a reasonable doubt that silver bars are buried at Rocky Bluff?
3.Please rephrase this question-Not quite sure of what you are asking?
4.Possible-that is where research is involved,to discover if there is any merit to the lore or legend.
Example-The Atocha and other wrecks were not legends,they were confirmed by documentation of records and manifests.What was unknown were the exact locations where they went down.
Refering back to question#2-350years of activity,well known pirate hangout,dowser and LRL's claim silver is buried there is just a continuation of lore,not substance.

1. Not everybody spent all their time on the ship. They sometimes had a camp. They needed fresh water and food. They would have kept their valuables (gold/silver) close at hand-in the ground near where they stayed. Cash at hand

2. When did I ever say or imply that I know beyond a reasonable doubt that silver bars are buried there? Reading and comprehension do not go hand in hand with you. Give me an example where you would know "beyond a reasonable doubt" that a treasure exists in any given specific spot.

3. If you have a detector than can detect gold, you do not need a written record to find gold if you have other ways to figure out where to dig. It obviously went over your head.

4.You can research all that you want to. What do you honestly think you are going to find that will lead you directly to buried gold? A treasure map with an X? Seen any lately? If it existed it was probably already used by someone to locate whatever was hidden.

Give me an example of your "substance" as it pertains to this thread.

 

[H-2 CHARLIE]

Does a boil down to something I read somewhere ?

 

[Peyton Manning]

There have been gold rushes in Georgia, California and Alaska in just the last 150 years. South and Central America had lots of it dug up over a period of thousands of years. Are you asking a serious question or just being sarcastic? I soooo want to know.

well reading the threads on here it does seem there ought to be treasure buried everywhere. If there was that much seems more would be found.

 

[Salvor6]

Bigdogdad asked:

"Okay so the pirates spent their money. Where do you propose that they spent it? After it was spent and changed hands where was it placed? Please attempt to at least answer these simple questions."

 

[Bigdogdad]

well reading the threads on here it does seem there ought to be treasure buried everywhere. If there was that much seems more would be found.

I don't think there are that many people that have the right equipment, are willing to get permission, and figure out how deep and where to dig. Nobody said it was easy, and if they had they don't know what they are talking about. One of the biggest problems I have encountered is the amount of junk metal that you will find just about EVERYWHERE.

 

[ECS]

From hypothetical to the ridiculous

Bigdogdad asked:

"Okay so the pirates spent their money. Where do you propose that they spent it? After it was spent and changed hands where was it placed? Please attempt to at least answer these simple questions."

Salvor6,that is a difficult sycophant produced question to answer.
Many nebulous dates since DeSoto's landing have been bantered about without correlation to the subject at hand,nor who would have resided at the well known pirate hangout-it has be stated by BDD many times on this thread that he doesn't know or care who or when the alleged silver bars were buried at Rocky Bluff-but depending on the date of said pirate activity,the Gulf coast of Florida was barren of civilization,ie,development.
Now,it is known that pirates would spend what they gained at friendly towns to their profession,such as Port Royal,Savannah,St Augustine,San Juan,etc on rum,wenches,gunpowder,and maybe a new hat.If it was spent at a tavern or shop,who knows where the tavernowner or shopkeeper placed his money,but I am sure it was not in the soil of Rocky Bluff.
Maybe,Salvor6,you can answer a simple question:"Do you believe that pirate treasure is buried at Rocky Bluff,and most important,what evidence,facts,support that belief?

 

[Bigdogdad]

Salvor6,that is a difficult sycophant produced question to answer. Many nebulous dates since DeSoto's landing have been bantered about without correlation to the subject at hand,nor who would have resided at the well known pirate hangout-it has be stated by BDD many times on this thread that he doesn't know or care who or when the alleged silver bars were buried at Rocky Bluff-but depending on the date of said pirate activity,the Gulf coast of Florida was barren of civilization,ie,development. Now,it is known that pirates would spend what they gained at friendly towns to their profession,such as Port Royal,Savannah,St Augustine,San Juan,etc on rum,wenches,gunpowder,and maybe a new hat.If it was spent at a tavern or shop,who knows where the tavernowner or shopkeeper placed his money,but I am sure it was not in the soil of Rocky Bluff. Maybe,Salvor6,you can answer a simple question:"Do you believe that pirate treasure is buried at Rocky Bluff,and most important,what evidence,facts,support that belief?

Ridiculous? Sycophant? Nebulous? You sound impressive but it is all smoke and mirrors. You still refuse to answer simple questions. You just don't seem to be able to comprehend anything being said. There is either silver buried at Rocky Buff or not. The only way to prove it is there is to dig it up. You cannot prove it is not there or is not possibly there. Quit trying. The moderators have told you that if you don't believe something, make your point and then move on and let it go. Quit harassing the thread starter. I am being as nice to you about this as I can. If I were to state what I really think I would be banned from this site. ECS-Simple question. I will type it slowly. Do you think pirates or mariners ever buried their loot? Yes or no? No poems. No lectures. No useless facts. Just a simple yes or no.

 

[Bigdogdad]

I just saw on the internet that a couple in California found 10 million in gold coins. Did they find it thru research? I doubt it. Do you think they care how it got there? Nope. Do you think they care who it belonged to? Nope. Do you think they care when it was buried? Another big nope. My point? The only thing that some of us care about when it comes to buried treasure is finding it.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

BDD I suggest you find another way, we have rules on attacking and insulting members as well... Stop now...






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