Odyssey Marine Article...

[MORE AND BEYOND OSSY]

Jeff question for you, Do you work for odyssey ? also how did the English get there information on the Mercedes
Sam

 

Amazon Forum Fav 👍

Family Maps of Hinds County, Mississippi, Deluxe Edition - Grab it through Amazon!

[Vox veritas]

Vox great info, Did you get this from the archive"s of Seville

Ossy, in the exhibition of the load there was an omission. Diego Alvear had registered 51,000 pesos.
Yes, the information comes from the General Archive of Indies in Seville (AGI), section Lima, bundle 1535, also from the archive of the Spanish Navy the private archive of the family Alvear and the British Navy. Very important is the nautical information.

 

[MORE AND BEYOND OSSY]

Vox,Ola
whats the important nautical information was the Mercedes in Spanish waters when she went down ?
Ossy

 

[PDJ]

Ossy, Can you please describe for me the location where the Mercedes went down in relation to Spain and the basis for your statemet that it's in Spanish waters?
Ossy, also w/ regard to your potential claim since, 'some of the names match' -- IMO your going to want Odyssey to win this because, as I understand it, Spain thinks everything is theirs, not your 'ancestors'.

 

[PDJ]

Sam, Forget it don't bother, I'll answer it for you -- it's been stated as being beyond the territorial waters or legal jurisdiction of any country.

 

[Vox veritas]

Vox,Ola
whats the important nautical information was the Mercedes in Spanish waters when she went down ?
Ossy

In 1982 I participated with a group of Italian archaeologists, Portuguese and Spaniards in a localization operation. In 1984, the Portuguese Institute for the Cultural Patrimony knew that the Mercedes was near the cape Santa Maria and there are fishermen's stories that count, generation in generation, what happened near the cape.

 

[PDJ]

How many feet of water (depth) was your operation conducted in?

 

[Vox veritas]

How many feet of water (depth) was your operation conducted in?

 

[jeff k]

Jeff question for you, Do you work for odyssey ? also how did the English get there information on the Mercedes
Sam

No, but I am a stockholder. They probably got the manifest from the Admiral's ship that was captured.

 

[wreckdiver1715]

Vox,Ola
whats the important nautical information was the Mercedes in Spanish waters when she went down ?
Ossy

In 1982 I participated with a group of Italian archaeologists, Portuguese and Spaniards in a localization operation. In 1984, the Portuguese Institute for the Cultural Patrimony knew that the Mercedes was near the cape Santa Maria and there are fishermen's stories that count, generation in generation, what happened near the cape.

If that is the case, I guess that would mean that the treasure recover by odyssey is not that of the Mercedes. Interesting twist!

 

[PDJ]

http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/battles/1804/c_santamaria.html
According to Cap't Moore they were approx 9 leagues south-west from 'Cape St. Mary', when they first spotted the 4 sailing ships, within 2-3 hours of blowing the Mercedes up.
9 UK Nautical Leagues = approx 279 miles or 450km -- this was wrong and corrected below on another post.
That's pretty far off-shore.

 

[Vox veritas]

http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/battles/1804/c_santamaria.html
According to Cap't Moore they were approx 9 leagues south-west from 'Cape St. Mary', when they first spotted the 4 sailing ships, within 2-3 hours of blowing the Mercedes up.
9 UK Nautical Leagues = approx 279 miles or 450km
That's pretty far off-shore.

9 leagues = 27 nautical miles

http://www.sizes.com/units/league.htm

 

[PDJ]

my bad. Still assuming they were 31 miles (27 nautical miles offshore- and in chase heading w-s) that puts them well beyond territorial waters. No?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_waters

 

[L_Bo]

Looks like Peru wants some of the action too, because that's where the coins were hammered

Peru Demands Return of Odyssey Treasure, Garcia Belaunde Says

By Alex Emery

Sept. 9 (Bloomberg) -- Odyssey Marine Exploration Inc.'s 17 ton-haul (15,400 kilograms) of sunken treasure from the Atlantic Ocean originated in Peru and must be returned, the Andean country's Foreign Minister Jose Garcia Belaunde said today.

The 500,000 gold coins on Spanish warship Nuestra Senora de las Mercedes were minted in Peru, at the time a Spanish colony, Garcia Belaunde said. The ship was sunk by the British navy in 1804.

``This gives us ownership, as this was and continues to be Peruvian territory,'' Garcia Belaunde said at a press conference. ``It belongs to us through the principle of succession of states.''

Spain has also filed a claim for the treasure.

 

[Amona]

Many Floridian and General shipwreck hunter support Odyssey with theirs comments and arguments here about "who" own the $500M. I like to see the day (if odyssey win the trial) if Odyssey will go to "share" all $500M with all you just all support given during this process.

Amona

 

[MORE AND BEYOND OSSY]

L BO the coins are milled, made by machine's that Spain brought over from Europe, not hammered by slaves as you think.
and Peru at the time was a Spanish state.
Ossy

 

[PDJ]

At the end of the following link: http://www.napoleon-series.org/military/battles/1804/c_santamaria.html#_ftn23
It says:
"The treasure aboard the Nuestra Senora de Las Mercedes – often wrongly identified in news reports as a Spanish galleon – was estimated at $500-million"
If it's not a Spanish Galleon, does anyone know what it was exactly?
PDJ

 

[piratediver]

It was a Spanish frigate of 34 guns, 12 pounders. I had my own company in the early 90's formed specifically to get a permit from Portugal to go after this wreck. Needless to say we were not successful, as a new socialist government took over and proved friendly to the hard line archaeologists who are terrified of such ventures. I have some very interesting documents I have tried to post here but for some reason I cannot make it happen. If someone would like to help out posting these please let me know.

Thanks,

Pirate Diver

 

[Vox veritas]

It was a Spanish frigate of 34 guns, 12 pounders. I had my own company in the early 90's formed specifically to get a permit from Portugal to go after this wreck. Needless to say we were not successful, as a new socialist government took over and proved friendly to the hard line archaeologists who are terrified of such ventures. I have some very interesting documents I have tried to post here but for some reason I cannot make it happen. If someone would like to help out posting these please let me know.

Thanks,

Pirate Diver

Bob, how you know that was the Mercedes? Did you find the bell or another evident sign of identification?
In 1996 two Portuguese divers found evident and visible remains at 1.5 miles of the cape of a shipwreck with 12 cannons. The place is the same one found by us in 1982, but we evidence more cannons.
In 1991 COMEX proposed me an agreement, but I didn't accept.
Also, is another Portuguese that knows where the Mercedes is because it also dove her in several occasions. His name is Fernando Cardoso.
Why Diego Alvear affirms, witness of view and expert seaman that had the whole coast of the cape visible at 9 in the morning and has drawn several views of the combat later on with the very visible mountains? From 180 miles you cannot see the whole coast.

 

[piratediver]

Claudio: we never got permission to look so we didn't find anything. What did you find that makes you think you found it?


Pirate Diver