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St. Pete Times Article...
"Gordon also told his audience that recently acquired technology now lets Odyssey "look" several meters beneath the ocean floor. The firm already is finding shipwrecks buried beneath the ocean floor in places the company has already looked and, previously, saw nothing."
http://blogs.tampabay.com/venture/2009/06/odyssey-marine-exploration-president-mark-gordon.html
"Gordon also told his audience that recently acquired technology now lets Odyssey "look" several meters beneath the ocean floor. The firm already is finding shipwrecks buried beneath the ocean floor in places the company has already looked and, previously, saw nothing."
http://blogs.tampabay.com/venture/2009/06/odyssey-marine-exploration-president-mark-gordon.html
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Real de Tayopa said:Good morning, isn't most history effectively 'make believe' of what actually happened until quite recently? Even there hmmmm
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There is typically:
(1) What one side says happened.
(2) What the other side says happened.
(3) What others want to believe happened.
(4) What really happened.
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Jeff K said:
Hey Jeff, don't be ridiculous!!!
The image numbers 1 corresponds of two views of the Santa María cape. Num. 55, from 2.3 miles from NE. Num. 56 1.2 miles from NW.
Number 2 corresponds the moment of the Mercedes' explosion and the mounts drawn behind they demonstrate that they are at the same distance of the image num.1: 2/4 miles from the cape. Also from 25 or 35 miles it is impossible to see these mounts.
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Hola Claudio, Odyssey have used your research and findings in their case, stating you found the Mercedes 10miles fromVox veritas said:
the Portuguese coast and Jeff is saying 25nm out? I suspect there is more to this! Claudio do you know if Spain has actually
sent a vessel to check the site ( scan the bottom and locate the Cannons ) thus verifying the actual area !
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Mariner, you investigates, looks for, compares and later on meditates your own conclusions. The truth is visible, but sometimes walks disguised.
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Its not an attack, its a verbal observation based on comments made recently, read the recent posts.
Regarding dealing with governments, They are all different some require little, some require a lot of persuasion, some are totaly corrupt. Others dead straight so you deal with each one as you see fit, however you never try to stiff any of them or you end up in trouble, sometimes in prison. Weak stories as to why you did wrong won't wash, you will lose, as many have in the past.
Remember what I told you about 5 tons of gold on your living room floor. The bigger the prize the worse you will come off. Even if you believe you are right, no one in their right mind takes on a sovereign government, you are always on a hiding to nothing, their funds are not wanting as your will be, OMEX legal fees must be a treasure worth having in itself by now.
Always negotiate and get your position fixed first. OMEX did it with the Sussex but failed to do it with the Black Swan. If it was not Spain it would have been another government. Just look at the rules in Florida.
Now maybe they can get on with treasure hunting and not law suits, I am sure they have the ability, they now seem to have a piece of state of the art equipment with the ground penetrating sonar-sub bottom profiler they are using. Well it's not new, but maybe new to them.
The whole farce is ridiculous.
Its not an attack, its a verbal observation based on comments made recently, read the recent posts.
Regarding dealing with governments, They are all different some require little, some require a lot of persuasion, some are totaly corrupt. Others dead straight so you deal with each one as you see fit, however you never try to stiff any of them or you end up in trouble, sometimes in prison. Weak stories as to why you did wrong won't wash, you will lose, as many have in the past.
Remember what I told you about 5 tons of gold on your living room floor. The bigger the prize the worse you will come off. Even if you believe you are right, no one in their right mind takes on a sovereign government, you are always on a hiding to nothing, their funds are not wanting as your will be, OMEX legal fees must be a treasure worth having in itself by now.
Always negotiate and get your position fixed first. OMEX did it with the Sussex but failed to do it with the Black Swan. If it was not Spain it would have been another government. Just look at the rules in Florida.
Now maybe they can get on with treasure hunting and not law suits, I am sure they have the ability, they now seem to have a piece of state of the art equipment with the ground penetrating sonar-sub bottom profiler they are using. Well it's not new, but maybe new to them.
The whole farce is ridiculous.
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Another article on this very issue:
Article in Diario de Sevilla
SPANISH STAND ON ODYSSEY VINDICATED, SAYS JOSE PONS
Jose Pons (right) with Chief Minister Peter Caruana last year. Pic: Johnny Bugeja
Former Spanish Director General for Europe and Madrid negotiator at the Tripartite Forum Jose Pons, has declared that Spain’s stand on the Odyssey treasure hunt affair has been vindicated by the ruling from the US Judge investigating the case.
Writing in the Diario de Sevilla at the weekend, Sr Pons says that the US tribunal has finally recognised that the Odyssey treasure had come from the Spanish sovereign vessel Nuestra Senora de las Mercedes.
“The tribunal has accepted that the ship belongs to a sovereign state, is subject to immunity, and that the company will have to return the treasure to its rightful owner, Spain,” he writes.
Under the heading “The truth about Odyssey,” Sr Pons has described the ruling as a great success for those who have defended the case on behalf of Spanish interests and welcomes that “truth has prevailed over the treasure hunters.”
Sr Pons says that the judge’s ruling in recognising the identity of the frigate Nuestra Señora de las Mercedes, that was sunk in 1804 in the Atlantic, in international waters near Cape Saint Vincent, had completely brought crashing down theories that purported to place the treasure site in the Mediterranean, off the coast of Estepona, in Spanish waters, near where the English vessel Sussex is reportedly located.
The Spanish diplomat who is currently in Vienna, takes issue with statements made by journalists Pipe Sarmiento and Santiago Mata, who argued that the company had tricked Spain “and that it had taken the treasure from right in front of our noses.
“Will they now have the courage to recognise that they made a mistake,” asks Sr Pons, who includes the newspaper El Faro in the list of those who had “vilified and insulted, and insinuated false connivance between Spanish Foreign Ministry officials and Odyssey.”
“Will they now apologise for having written totally unfounded nonsense and for making claims that the Spanish Foreign Ministry was lying or hiding information,” asks Sr Pons.
“The fact is we knew what was going on thanks to exhaustive monitoring by the Spanish navy, that the Odyssey Explorer and the Ocean Alert had spent enough time at the site of Nuestra Senora de las Mercedes, to rescue the treasure.”
Sr Pons says that much was written about alleged Spanish incompetence in defending its marine archaeological heritage, and that experts suddenly appeared attacking Spain’s alleged inaction.
Sr Pons says that while this was happening, the Spanish administration was working diligently to defend the cause, “knowing that we had not done anything wrong and that justice was on our side.”
“It is very clear,” he says “that since Odyssey was unable to rescue the Sussex because it did not meet the conditions by the Junta de Andalucia and was unable elude to Spanish law enforcers, it moved to the Atlantic to rescue the treasure from the Nuestra Senora de las Mercedes, whose location it already knew.”
“As it needed to increase the value of its shares it was incapable of keeping the secret. It had to say it publicly, that was their great mistake.”
Sr Pons adds that two years after the event and having suffered “the constant harassment from certain sectors of the media, I am satisfied that we must have done something right so that the judge has ruled in favour of Spain.”
And he concludes: “We should now demand from the British Government their responsibility in this. Without the storage facilities and protection in a Gibraltar military zone and without the licences and the active or passive complicity of the Gibraltarian local authorities, Odyssey would never have been able to appropriate itself of the treasure and to subsequently transport it to the US.”
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Article in Diario de Sevilla
SPANISH STAND ON ODYSSEY VINDICATED, SAYS JOSE PONS
Jose Pons (right) with Chief Minister Peter Caruana last year. Pic: Johnny Bugeja
Former Spanish Director General for Europe and Madrid negotiator at the Tripartite Forum Jose Pons, has declared that Spain’s stand on the Odyssey treasure hunt affair has been vindicated by the ruling from the US Judge investigating the case.
Writing in the Diario de Sevilla at the weekend, Sr Pons says that the US tribunal has finally recognised that the Odyssey treasure had come from the Spanish sovereign vessel Nuestra Senora de las Mercedes.
“The tribunal has accepted that the ship belongs to a sovereign state, is subject to immunity, and that the company will have to return the treasure to its rightful owner, Spain,” he writes.
Under the heading “The truth about Odyssey,” Sr Pons has described the ruling as a great success for those who have defended the case on behalf of Spanish interests and welcomes that “truth has prevailed over the treasure hunters.”
Sr Pons says that the judge’s ruling in recognising the identity of the frigate Nuestra Señora de las Mercedes, that was sunk in 1804 in the Atlantic, in international waters near Cape Saint Vincent, had completely brought crashing down theories that purported to place the treasure site in the Mediterranean, off the coast of Estepona, in Spanish waters, near where the English vessel Sussex is reportedly located.
The Spanish diplomat who is currently in Vienna, takes issue with statements made by journalists Pipe Sarmiento and Santiago Mata, who argued that the company had tricked Spain “and that it had taken the treasure from right in front of our noses.
“Will they now have the courage to recognise that they made a mistake,” asks Sr Pons, who includes the newspaper El Faro in the list of those who had “vilified and insulted, and insinuated false connivance between Spanish Foreign Ministry officials and Odyssey.”
“Will they now apologise for having written totally unfounded nonsense and for making claims that the Spanish Foreign Ministry was lying or hiding information,” asks Sr Pons.
“The fact is we knew what was going on thanks to exhaustive monitoring by the Spanish navy, that the Odyssey Explorer and the Ocean Alert had spent enough time at the site of Nuestra Senora de las Mercedes, to rescue the treasure.”
Sr Pons says that much was written about alleged Spanish incompetence in defending its marine archaeological heritage, and that experts suddenly appeared attacking Spain’s alleged inaction.
Sr Pons says that while this was happening, the Spanish administration was working diligently to defend the cause, “knowing that we had not done anything wrong and that justice was on our side.”
“It is very clear,” he says “that since Odyssey was unable to rescue the Sussex because it did not meet the conditions by the Junta de Andalucia and was unable elude to Spanish law enforcers, it moved to the Atlantic to rescue the treasure from the Nuestra Senora de las Mercedes, whose location it already knew.”
“As it needed to increase the value of its shares it was incapable of keeping the secret. It had to say it publicly, that was their great mistake.”
Sr Pons adds that two years after the event and having suffered “the constant harassment from certain sectors of the media, I am satisfied that we must have done something right so that the judge has ruled in favour of Spain.”
And he concludes: “We should now demand from the British Government their responsibility in this. Without the storage facilities and protection in a Gibraltar military zone and without the licences and the active or passive complicity of the Gibraltarian local authorities, Odyssey would never have been able to appropriate itself of the treasure and to subsequently transport it to the US.”
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So now I am more confused than ever. Sr. Pons says that the Mercedes site is in International waters near Cape St. Vincent. Is this true, or is he giving out some disinformation in order to protect the site from (other) looters, or does he just think that Cape St. Vincent would be better known to the general public than Cape Santa Maria? The drawing posted by Vox shows the Mercedes exploding in clear view of, and close to, land, but I do not know whether the author of it had good information.
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I'm beginning to wonder if Judge Pizzo even read the Carlisle Report (Exhibit E). If he did, it's hard to believe that he came to the conclusion that the Mercedes was not on a commercial voyage.
http://www.treasurelore.com/charts/Carlisle_Report_Exhibit_E.pdf
http://www.treasurelore.com/charts/Carlisle_Report_Exhibit_E.pdf
Jeff, I concur. After reading this document and reading the 'footnotes' carefully as well,one has to wonder about this last ruling. To be sure the attorneys are singing all the way to the bank as the appeal moves forward. This report to the court reads like a thesis....worth a full read by EVERYONE....
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4themoney Spain is acting irrational and will lay claim to anything thats not theirs. When Odyssey filed an admiralty arrest on the Italian liner Aconda, Spain claimed that it belonged to them. They later dropped that claim.
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Mariner... You can see by the chart that the 1000 meter contour line is more than 24nm south of Cape St. Mary.
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Thanks Jeff. Are the contours in metres or in fathoms? From your comment I assume they are the former.
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Mariner... You can see by the chart that the 1000 meter contour line is more than 24nm south of Cape St. Mary.
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Thanks Jeff. Are the contours in metres or in fathoms? From your comment I assume they are the former.
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Some numbers about the treasure of the "Mercedes" ??
Some numbers about the treasure of the "Mercedes" ??
The value of a currency of 8 reales is € 100. So, 600,000 currencies give us € 60 millions or $78 millions, which are very far from those declared 500 million dollars. Why? Jeff surely knows it!!
http://www.filatelialopez.com/catal...e700e3a480fa78bda8&keywords=8+reales&x=6&y=13
Some numbers about the treasure of the "Mercedes" ??
The value of a currency of 8 reales is € 100. So, 600,000 currencies give us € 60 millions or $78 millions, which are very far from those declared 500 million dollars. Why? Jeff surely knows it!!
http://www.filatelialopez.com/catal...e700e3a480fa78bda8&keywords=8+reales&x=6&y=13
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Re: Some numbers about the treasure of the "Mercedes" ??
Jeff doesn't know, don't answer!!
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Jeff doesn't know, don't answer!!
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Jeff K said:
Jeff, I think is 12 miles !!
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