Odyssey Marine Article...

[4theMoney]

Good article.

 

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[mariner]

Jeff,

It does look as if Odyssey will win the action, because Spain cannot show that the coins came from a vessel that was on purely non-commercial duty, and in that case it is right that Odyssey should get the verdict. However, that would have been the outcome if Odyssey had taken only a few of the coins, to demonstrate their existence, and then asked to be given salvage rights for the rest. If they had done this, they would have avoided a lot of the rancour.

Mariner

 

[jeff k]

Jeff,

It does look as if Odyssey will win the action, because Spain cannot show that the coins came from a vessel that was on purely non-commercial duty, and in that case it is right that Odyssey should get the verdict. However, that would have been the outcome if Odyssey had taken only a few of the coins, to demonstrate their existence, and then asked to be given salvage rights for the rest. If they had done this, they would have avoided a lot of the rancor.

Mariner

Mariner... Here's the problem with your theory. The US courts cannot protect the wreck site. The court can only protect what Odyssey brought into their jurisdiction. Therefore, Spain could go to the wreck site and salvage the rest of the coins, and the court couldn't stop them. Odyssey did the right thing.

 

[Cablava]

OJ managed a similar trick but luck where he is now.

 

[MORE AND BEYOND OSSY]

Jeff, words are cheap. " Odyssey did the right thing "
Their actions speak louder than words !
Ossy

 

[4theMoney]

Jeff is right. Given Spains "Bad Behavior", I doubt odyssey could have ever gone back to their site. Posession is 9/10 of the law.
Ossy. You are obviously reasonable since you acknowlege that partnerships with the Spanish Govt would benifit both parties. It is unfortunate that the Spanish Govt does not want any partnerships.

 

[Darren in NC]

I've tried to steer clear of the silly demonizing of Odyssey and/or Spain in this thread, but perhaps my mood is different today Odyssey made some poor choices and so did Spain. It was a toss up decision whether to approach Spain or not and in lieu of the difficulties with the Sussex, Odyssey chose not to. Some may have not seen it as the best choice. I personally believe they should have approached both Spain and Portugal and worked out the deal ahead of time. But they didn't. It doesn't make them the demons that some seem to enjoy posting about.

Spain also over-reacted by flexing their muscles when the news came out. Forcing private vessels to surrender like drug runners hardly will endear a company like Odyssey to collaborate with them on future wrecks. Spain could have taken the high road and tried a more collaborative approach for long-term benefit. But they didn't. This doesn't make them the evil empire, either. They just made some poor choices. Seems as though some treasure hunters "need" an evil empire to fight.

Let the court decide and trust that both Odyssey and Spain can learn from this. I think they already have to some extent.

I know I risk the rolling of eyes from both sides of the proverbial line in the sand. Oh well. I guess that whoever wins this pissing match will still be standing in a big puddle of piss. :P

 

[Voldbjerg]

I've tried to steer clear of the silly demonizing of Odyssey and/or Spain in this thread, but perhaps my mood is different today Odyssey made some poor choices and so did Spain. It was a toss up decision whether to approach Spain or not and in lieu of the difficulties with the Sussex, Odyssey chose not to. Some may have not seen it as the best choice. I personally believe they should have approached both Spain and Portugal and worked out the deal ahead of time. But they didn't. It doesn't make them the demons that some seem to enjoy posting about.

Spain also over-reacted by flexing their muscles when the news came out. Forcing private vessels to surrender like drug runners hardly will endear a company like Odyssey to collaborate with them on future wrecks. Spain could have taken the high road and tried a more collaborative approach for long-term benefit. But they didn't. This doesn't make them the evil empire, either. They just made some poor choices. Seems as though some treasure hunters "need" an evil empire to fight.

Let the court decide and trust that both Odyssey and Spain can learn from this. I think they already have to some extent.

I know I risk the rolling of eyes from both sides of the proverbial line in the sand. Oh well. I guess that whoever wins this pissing match will still be standing in a big puddle of piss. :P

Thank you Darren for the most sane post in this thread.
/V

 

[Bartman]

Jeff,

It does look as if Odyssey will win the action, because Spain cannot show that the coins came from a vessel that was on purely non-commercial duty, and in that case it is right that Odyssey should get the verdict. However, that would have been the outcome if Odyssey had taken only a few of the coins, to demonstrate their existence, and then asked to be given salvage rights for the rest. If they had done this, they would have avoided a lot of the rancor.

Mariner

Mariner... Here's the problem with your theory. The US courts cannot protect the wreck site. The court can only protect what Odyssey brought into their jurisdiction. Therefore, Spain could go to the wreck site and salvage the rest of the coins, and the court couldn't stop them. Odyssey did the right thing.

I agree, Odyssey did the right thing. BTW, nothing against Spain, if they or Odyssey find U.S. colonial ships in international waters, they should have at them.

 

[jeff k]

Darren... Scroll up to my post #542, and you'll see Odyssey tried to work with Spain many times. What more could they do? Spain left them no choice, or I should say the Minister of Culture left them no choice. Not all in Spain are against Odyssey.

P.S. No reason to bring Portugal into this. The wreck site is over 24nm from Portugal.

 

[Saturna]

Seems as though some treasure hunters "need" an evil empire to fight.

Perhaps some 'keyboard' treasure hunters need an evil empire to fight, but I'll bet that the guys out in the field actually recovering this stuff would be quite happy not to have empire building government bureaucrats to fight against, from any country.



Jay

 

[Darren in NC]

Thanks for sharing that, Jeff. I should have read that before - it's a long thread to keep up with Historically, it has been Odyssey's protocol to work with governments and owners, so kudos for that. I think it's the best way.

Well said, Jay. I'm not fond of political red tape and it would be nice to avoid. The flip side to that is that we live in a small world, and it's no longer feasible to sell cargo openly. Having gov't approval and protection beats looking over my shoulder any day. Besides, why risk having all my hard work lost in court for years on end like other cases we're aware of? I don't have to like red tape, but it's a current reality and (for me) it beats the alternative.

Besides, working with owners is the "right thing to do." Yes, I agree that in principle (and actuality), wrecks have been abandoned. These folks wouldn't go after them on their own. But the law of ownership is fast changing and it's the law that will decide. Better to err on the side of working with it than against it.

 

[Vox veritas]

Darren... Scroll up to my post #542, and you'll see Odyssey tried to work with Spain many times. What more could they do? Spain left them no choice, or I should say the Minister of Culture left them no choice. Not all in Spain are against Odyssey.

P.S. No reason to bring Portugal into this. The wreck site is over 24nm from Portugal.

I don't understand how it can have so many doubts for such evident matter: in Spain the legislation about underwater cultural patrimony doesn't recognize the lucre. Odyssey, given its mercantile character, is a company that needs the lucre. They are two opposed and incompatible poles.
Now we have seen it in Mexico, where it has happened the same problem.

http://sdpnoticias.com:80/sdp/contenido/2009/02/16/333007

 

[Salvor6]

Odyssey has plenty of lucre.

 

[Vox veritas]

Odyssey has plenty of lucre.

Then why they wanted to negotiate with Mexico?

 

[jeff k]

Mexico is old news. A Mexican newspaper reprinted a 2007 article last week, and now it's being picked up as if it just happened.

"Nuestra Señora del Juncal" other Spanish boat in the crosshairs of Odyssey

por Arqueologia el 18-06-2007 09:45, publicado el 18-06-2007 18:30 by Arqueologia on 18-06-2007 09:45, published on 18-06-2007 18:30 La compañía «caza-tesoros» pidió en 2006 permiso a México en dos ocasiones para rastrear el pecio, pero se le denegó. The company "treasure-hunting" in 2006 requested permission to Mexico twice to trace the wreck, but was refused. En su web, la firma estadounidense presume de su solidez y de una experiencia de 15 años como aval. On its website, the firm boasts of her strength and experience of 15 years as security. En lugar preferente de su página en internet destacan la operación sobre el «SS Republic» realizada en el verano de 2003, un navío al que un fuerte huracán hundió frente a las costas de Georgia en 1865. In place of your website out the operation on the "SS Republic" in the summer of 2003, a ship that sank a strong storm off the coast of Georgia in 1865.

 

[Vox veritas]

Mexico is old news. A Mexican newspaper reprinted a 2007 article last week, and now it's being picked up as if it just happened.

"Nuestra Señora del Juncal" other Spanish boat in the crosshairs of Odyssey

por Arqueologia el 18-06-2007 09:45, publicado el 18-06-2007 18:30 by Arqueologia on 18-06-2007 09:45, published on 18-06-2007 18:30 La compañía «caza-tesoros» pidió en 2006 permiso a México en dos ocasiones para rastrear el pecio, pero se le denegó. The company "treasure-hunting" in 2006 requested permission to Mexico twice to trace the wreck, but was refused. En su web, la firma estadounidense presume de su solidez y de una experiencia de 15 años como aval. On its website, the firm boasts of her strength and experience of 15 years as security. En lugar preferente de su página en internet destacan la operación sobre el «SS Republic» realizada en el verano de 2003, un navío al que un fuerte huracán hundió frente a las costas de Georgia en 1865. In place of your website out the operation on the "SS Republic" in the summer of 2003, a ship that sank a strong storm off the coast of Georgia in 1865.

This is a news reported 15 hours ago !!

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gUJ_NW76Yc4SvIgXJ8kYi7mhsTCQD96D2VF00

 

[MORE AND BEYOND OSSY]

Great article
Old news
Ossy

 

[jeff k]

HMS Victory Press Conference Video...

This is a video of the press conference held on Feb 2nd. It plays in six segments, so just wait for each one to load. Be prepared to spend over an hour from start to finish.

http://tinyurl.com/afrq9l

 

[Amona]

Read this Jeff K
(It's ok if you readed it or posted it here before)

El INAH basó su rechazo en que el proyecto de la firma estadounidense "no tiene propósitos de investigación ni cuenta con el aval de arqueólogos o de una institución académica de reconocido prestigio, condiciones sin las cuales es imposible autorizar este tipo de iniciativas".

May be Odyssey wants to repeat what they made in Spain but this time with Mexico,..why? may be they think, because Mexico speak Spanish, may be they are enough stupid to steal them another 500M

http://actualidad.terra.es/ciencia/articulo/mexico-odyssey-niega-permiso-rastrear-3078603.htm

Poor Odyseey

Amona