The History of Samuel Ball is very interesting. Seems he has some lost years and or inaccurate dates based on that 2nd link.( Who's worried about dates on here anyway ) Maybe he was the best cabbage grower in the area and truely earned his money that way.. Is strange that he was adamant on buying Lot 24 if that part is true. Maybe he had insider info about something maybe being on that lot, or maybe it was one of the few in that area that was for sale and it had boat dock near it so that would be a plus to keep from having to build one.. or maybe it was already cleared and would be easier to farm on..At some point he bought another island from one of the original 3 for 5 pounds supposedly. Which seems cheap compared to what he paid for Lot 24.. Is there more to that maybe.. At some point he had a friend or befriended a Captain of a ship that was hauling money of some sort that some believe he had embezzled some of and bought a lot beside Ball and later left it to him in his death. Might be more to all that as well.. I think in his death he left his house to his current wife but in her death it would go to his butler/hand and I think he also got most of everything else. Don't remember all the details in his will.. One of the original 3 was his estate executor so he might could have helped hide/divide up any fortune he did have to keep it off the books/papers....
Oak Island the Strange, the Bizarre, and Maybe the "Truth!
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A RETURN TO THE DESULTORY TRESURE TALES OF OAK ISLAND
The very first version was that three boys discovered a depression in the ground, then the added oak tree with the block & tackle over a hole that grew into the money pit with several 10 foot levels with coconut coir WITH the famous 90 foot stone AND the tales of treasure were and who put it there, lacking any proof that a treasure was ever placed there.
Capt Kidd and various other pirates were considered in the beginning as depositors on this alleged treasure, then the fantasy speculation of alternative pseudo historian pulp authors grew to include 6th century King Arthur and Welsh descendants of those who fought in the Trojan War and became a lost tribe of Israel, Templars on the run, Henry Sinclair and his band of retired geriatric Templars, British Royal Navy rouge Officers that were Freemasons, other Freemasons, and whomever can be fabricated for profit, and every single one NEVER seemed to considered returning to retrieve these fabulous treasures.
The list of what these alleged treasures are include the ATK of the COVENANT, the HOLY GRAIL, various gold, silver, and jewels of pirate loot, the works of Bacon and Shakespeare, the Havana treasury, and whatever else one can think up to embellish the treasure tale.
All of this without any actual proof that any treasure was ever placed in a hole on Oak Island.
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The very first version was that three boys discovered a depression in the ground, then the added oak tree with the block & tackle over a hole that grew into the money pit with several 10 foot levels with coconut coir WITH the famous 90 foot stone AND the tales of treasure were and who put it there, lacking any proof that a treasure was ever placed there.
Capt Kidd and various other pirates were considered in the beginning as depositors on this alleged treasure, then the fantasy speculation of alternative pseudo historian pulp authors grew to include 6th century King Arthur and Welsh descendants of those who fought in the Trojan War and became a lost tribe of Israel, Templars on the run, Henry Sinclair and his band of retired geriatric Templars, British Royal Navy rouge Officers that were Freemasons, other Freemasons, and whomever can be fabricated for profit, and every single one NEVER seemed to considered returning to retrieve these fabulous treasures.
The list of what these alleged treasures are include the ATK of the COVENANT, the HOLY GRAIL, various gold, silver, and jewels of pirate loot, the works of Bacon and Shakespeare, the Havana treasury, and whatever else one can think up to embellish the treasure tale.
All of this without any actual proof that any treasure was ever placed in a hole on Oak Island.
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"Baby Oxen...Needs New Shoes."
In Season 8 the Searchers located several Oxen Shoes.
One of them being a shoe for a "Baby Oxen".
No one pondered as to why they would need to shoe a baby oxen?
It has been noted that small oxen were used by Cornish Miners to haul and move "Treasure" within their Small Tunnels!
"In the United States, some of the oldest mines used oxen and then mules to pull the coal cars inside and outside the mines."
In Season 8 the Searchers located several Oxen Shoes.
One of them being a shoe for a "Baby Oxen".
No one pondered as to why they would need to shoe a baby oxen?
It has been noted that small oxen were used by Cornish Miners to haul and move "Treasure" within their Small Tunnels!
"In the United States, some of the oldest mines used oxen and then mules to pull the coal cars inside and outside the mines."
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LOL....cornish miners on hoax island...total nonsense....
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The Cornish miners in Cornwall did nor "haul and move "Treasure", but tin and rock.
...But that does give you a phrase in n2mini's No Proof/Doesn't Mean game.
There may not be any proof of Cornish miners using baby oxen on Oak Island but that doesn't mean that they didn't
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Finding oxen shoes on Oak Island doesn't prove that oxen were ever on Oak Island, may have been discarded at a dump site.
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I thought they used Welsh Ponies . . . but I suppose dwarf oxen would work in an imaginary mine. Seeing as there were no mines on Oak Island it may not even have been an ox shoe.
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By George, I think Robot got it! Epiphany!
When the oxen shoes were being found on the show most everyone on here kept saying well yeah it was a farming area and oxen was used in doing that. Now we have someone saying after quite a few oxen shoes have been found in various sizes and in different areas that doesn't mean that oxen were on the island maybe it was a dump site. Apparently for oxen shoes... Let me paddle or swim over to the island and spread out this bucket of old oxen shoes all over the island and I'll bury some and some I'll just toss top of the ground.. Yeah your right, that is probably how it happened...
No mines on oak island but there are/were tunnels which is basically the same thing just depends on what it's purpose is as to what we call it...
No mines on oak island but there are/were tunnels which is basically the same thing just depends on what it's purpose is as to what we call it...
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I thought they used Welsh Ponies . . . but I suppose dwarf oxen would work in an imaginary mine. Seeing as there were no mines on Oak Island it may not even have been an ox shoe.
Perhaps it was 7 dwarfs and one was grumpier than the rest. That story line best fits what some here propose...
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The "tunnels" that exist (factually, only "indicated") are from previous searches. Carbon dating of wood immersed in a seawater environment is unreliable (the "marine effect"), as it commonly will indicate an age several hundred years older than it really is. Countless tests have shown that any shaft sunk in the island will fill with seawater, indicating the island has several layers of permeable soil and gravel strata allowing seawater to permeate the ground.
They MIGHT all have been from searchers but they are/where there. I believe it was the Onslow Company that there are pics of their tunnel. Some keep saying you can't dig tunnels on the island and they did. Maybe they used the Oxen to help haul out dirt who knows. Would have had to lower them down a shaft to get there but it is possible...or maybe they just used them top side to haul the dirt away..
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...the 19th century Onslow Company activities on Oak Island and possible use of oxen as beasts of burden removing tolling stones eliminates those "quite a few oxen shoes" found on Oak Island es be those from 14th century Sinclair and/or an intrepid band of over the hill Templars.
In the paraphrased words of another that always explain all things:
There may not be any proof that oxen were on Oak Island because of found shoes, but that doesn't mean they weren't.
In the paraphrased words of another that always explain all things:
There may not be any proof that oxen were on Oak Island because of found shoes, but that doesn't mean they weren't.
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Without the common ox shoes, gawry would not have anything to find on the show....
Not sure if they ever actually got the oxen shoes dated, or only had their blacksmith guy and their regular cast members throw out dates. I have no idea if Onslow used oxen or not but they had tunnels and moved alot of dirt somehow..
Your correct just because the shoes are there doesn't mean that oxen was. You could be correct again in that someone carried a bucket of them around the island dropping them off here and there. Highly unlikely but possible.. Maybe someone was actually using them for something else and not even on an oxen!!!
Your correct just because the shoes are there doesn't mean that oxen was. You could be correct again in that someone carried a bucket of them around the island dropping them off here and there. Highly unlikely but possible.. Maybe someone was actually using them for something else and not even on an oxen!!!
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"It is not surprising to find ox shoes. Finding ox shoes however, doesn't suggest a road. It suggests that there were oxen, which is not surprising on an island used for farming for centuries"- Dr Andre Costopoulos, University of Alberta, PHD Archeology, MSc Anthropology, commenting on ox shoes found on Oak Island.
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"It is not surprising to find ox shoes. Finding ox shoes however, doesn't suggest a road. It suggests that there were oxen, which is not surprising on an island used for farming for centuries"- Dr Andre Costopoulos, University of Alberta, PHD Archeology, MSc Anthropology, commenting on ox shoes found on Oak Island.
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yet there is a road there and they have found oxen shoes in and around it. So much for that expert opinion... Guess he doesn't watch the show.... but apparently does think there were oxen on the island, working at doing something... they may or may not have been used to help build the road but they either did or we used on the road afterwards to haul stuff.. OR someone walked along the road and dropped off oxen shoes occasionally..
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