Oak Island the Strange, the Bizarre, and Maybe the "Truth!

[ECS]

So did millions of Americans...but that is not we are talking about here! or are we?

Samuel Ball's oxen for ploughing are the most obvious source of all the oxen shoes found on Oak Island, instead of the fantasy speculation that they were left by Templars, rogue British Naval Officer Freemasons, Cornish miner Tommyknockers, and whatever an active imagination can conjure.
So yes, Robot my friend, this is what we are talking abiut.

 

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[ECS]

I can't get the treasure on Oak Island as Oak Island Tours owns about all the properties, especially the one where I believe the treasure was buried...

Isn't this the "treasure" you claimed was removed either by the Pilgrims or the Founding Fathers?
And which of the various depositors you have claimed is responsible for this treasure and what is this treasure?

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

Isn't this the "treasure" you claimed was removed either by the Pilgrims or the Founding Fathers?
And which of the various depositors you have claimed is responsible for this treasure and what is this treasure?

Seems like the story is constantly changing adding more proof of the fiction these folks present...,,

 

[ECS]

...the most obvious fact, such as Samuel Ball's beast of burden draft oxen are the source of all those oxen shoes, seem impossible to accept for those who indulge in fantasy dreams of treasure on Oak Island.

 

[n2mini]

As with everything on or about OI there isn't much proof of anything. Take S. Ball. On his tax records it says the land is for farming but farming what. How do we really know he farmed cabbage. From old stories right? Same as with cattle. Did he really have cattle? Surely he also had some wheat, tomato's, or potato's or corn, something.. We hear nothing of that though, and since some believe that every thing that ever happened in history is written somewhere it must not have happened.. We also have NO PROOF he ever used oxen. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. Maybe he used a horse or mule... Kinda hard to get wealthy ( atleast that is how the stories go ) from selling cabbage for a couple of pennies a head.... There would have been only so many people living in the area at the time to be buying it... Even with a $2.50 gold coin who buys that many head of cabbage at one time...

The moral to it is you can't just pick and choose which parts of the story you want to believe and then think someone else is crazy for thinking other parts are true, because we don't know..
Just because it is written he farmed cabbage did he, same as with him being wealthy, was he, Those are in the same stories from way back when about him. Yet no mention of oxen, horses, corn, wheat etc that he surely used or farmed as well.

 

[ECS]

Is it really known that Samuel Ball was wealthy, and by what standard of wealth in the early 1800's?
If his tax records stated his land was used for farming, it was probably used for farming, and Ball used shod draft animals.
Many times it has been stated that "it is written" that Ball paid for goods in town with gold coins?
Where is this written, in a treasure tale article in a '50's treasure magazine?
"At least that is how the stories go" always is the trope when one tries to pick and choose information concerning Samuel Ball's wealth, without research into why Anthony Vaughn was the executor of Ball's Will, and what it contained, or Ball's tax records on what was assessed and what he paid, which would be an indicator of his wealth.
These often posted one liners- wealth didn't come from cabbage sales, paid in gold for goods in town, etc, are just one liners lacking any real substance or proof.
If "it is written", please present the source and dates of this critical information, if indeed, "it was written".

 

[MikeN]

...the most obvious fact, such as Samuel Ball's beast of burden draft oxen are the source of all those oxen shoes

It's interesting that Samuel Ball's lots of 6, 7, 8, 24, 25, 26, 30, 31, and 32 do not extend to the road or the areas they've found most of the ox shoes last year.

 

[ECS]

It's interesting that the Samuel Ball family was NOT the ONLY family living on Oak Island during that time.

 

[n2mini]

what tax records show he or anyone paid for something isn't necessarily what he paid. We used to do it all the time when buy/selling a car. You wrote a receipt for alot less then you paid so when you went to DMV you paid taxes on that amount till they eventually changed that in the 80' or 90's and go by their assists tax value. Ball supposedly paid Vaughn 5 pounds for an island which was about $22 back then. ( British Pound was worth about $4.44 in 1800 ) seems pretty cheap for a whole island but who knows. Not sure how big it was and or why Ball wanted it..

Using the old stories on ball is no different then you saying that ball used oxen to farm with. You don't know that either.. That is an assumption.. Not written anywhere real or fantasy..
Maybe Vaughn was his executor so he could help hide Ball's fortune and get it to who he wanted to have it. Maybe the 2 of them had found the treasure and we in it together. Who is to say had Vaughn died first that Ball was his executor as well..

 

[ECS]

...Using the old stories on ball is no different then you saying that ball used oxen to farm with. You don't know that either ....

Just as you don't know if Ball really paid in gold for goods in town, or how many times, or country origin of the gold coins if indeed Ball paid in gold coin.
It is much more likely a farmer, who also had cattle, would plough his fields with draft oxen, unless "it is written" that all those oxen shoes originated from another source.
It does appear that you are confused and baffled by the most obvious deduction.

 

[n2mini]

With cabbage at a couple pennies a head and seeing how he bought 9 lots or so on OI plus a whole other island he bought from Vaughn at roughly $22 or so, and I think he also owned another island ( maybe not might be thinking of the one he bought from Vaughn ) that is more then few Billy Gerhardt Dump Truck Loads of cabbage... who the heck is buying all this cabbage...

 

[ECS]

You obviously are buying the cabbage story as fact.

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

You obviously are buying the cabbage story as fact.

Not unlike the fanboys buying into the fictional drama show...

 

[n2mini]

You obviously are buying the cabbage story as fact.

Most every story ever written about him said he was a cabbage farmer...

 

[ECS]

Most every story ever written about him said he was a cabbage farmer...

With all those cabbage stories about Ball, you are really getting into the deep kimchi!

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

He had a military commission and soldier's pay-out before he farmed cabbage. His commanding officer - Major Ward - also indulged his soldiers in allowing them to keep plunder.

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

With all those cabbage stories about Ball, you are really getting into the deep kimchi!

Perhaps the holes on hoax island were used to bury kimchi pots.....and the ox hauled the pots to market....

 

[ECS]

...
Using the old stories on ball is no different then you saying that ball used oxen to farm with. You don't know that either..
That is an assumption.. Not written anywhere real or fantasy..
Maybe Vaughn was his executor so he could help hide Ball's fortune and get it to who he wanted to have it...

Scroll down to the transcript of Samuel Ball's Will.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ball-10682

What becomes conspicuous by absence of mention for a man of great wealth that shopped in town with gold coins??

 

[Singlestack Wonder]

Scroll down to the transcript of Samuel Ball's Will.

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Ball-10682

What becomes conspicuous by absence of mention for a man of great wealth that shopped in town with gold coins??

There you go with actual facts again....

 

[n2mini]

and as we all know wikitree is ALL KNOWING. As you see at the bottom someone asks a question to the person who wrote/gathered all that info. That looks to be one persons thoughts/info on Samuel Ball. No telling how accurate it all is. One of the "Sources" at the bottom of the page is a link The Mystery of Samuel Ball that sends you back to this Forum.. Nowhere in there does it mention that Vaughn was his executor of his will..Seems like it would be some good info to have in there with the info on the will. So that was left out how much other info was as well. You found one source of info on Ball that doesn't mention cabbage and it suddenly is the Holy Grail of info on Ball...