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Of course you are, but some of us would appreciate it if you stopped the baiting. Veiled personal attacks are "a bit yeller" as we say here in Arkansas.

Do you find it appropriate to call someone "a bit yeller"? You don't believe this to be a personally insulting comment? Can you make your points without personal attacks? If your views are so strong and correct shouldn't they stand on there own without the need for personal attacks? General resorting to that is not a sign of someone making a strong case for themselves - correct?
 

And I DO agree, TH, that you have the right to defend you and your family and property.

Yes, the police can't always be there on time for every incident. I'm painfully aware that the budgets are being cut, and I DON"T approve of that; it being a part of government that is critical to our society. I don't think that is debatable, despite some blogging to the contrary.

I take issue though, with those who would argue with the necessary function of government of police powers. One only has to look south of the border to see how well that doesn't work.

Professional law enforcement is really a fragile thing, and has to be a goal of every American. Great strides in professionalism have been made in the last 30 years, but it takes money, political will, commitment to excellence, and lots of training. Some appreciation for those officers and their supporters doesn't hurt either.

They get paid to go in harm's way to protect us, and not very much either.
 

And I DO agree, TH, that you have the right to defend you and your family and property.

Yes, the police can't always be there on time for every incident. I'm painfully aware that the budgets are being cut, and I DON"T approve of that; it being a part of government that is critical to our society. I don't think that is debatable, despite some blogging to the contrary.

I take issue though, with those who would argue with the necessary function of government of police powers. One only has to look south of the border to see how well that doesn't work.

Professional law enforcement is really a fragile thing, and has to be a goal of every American. Great strides in professionalism have been made in the last 30 years, but it takes money, political will, commitment to excellence, and lots of training. Some appreciation for those officers and their supporters doesn't hurt either.

They get paid to go in harm's way to protect us, and not very much either.

I completely agree bum, its amazing how some of these people throw cops under the bus around here. I'd love to see them walk up to an inner city cop and the front lines and argues with them about how they don't protect the citizens of this country. I'd Love to see that.
 

I completely agree bum, its amazing how some of these people throw cops under the bus around here. I'd love to see them walk up to an inner city cop and the front lines and argues with them about how they don't protect the citizens of this country. I'd Love to see that.

Yup, if it could be a frank conversation, but most of them are professionals and used to being "under-appreciated". They probably would be polite to a fault.

What I'd like to see is if there were no cops to protect them, just how they'd handle that.

Armed gangs of untrained and politically naive guys running around trying to shoot gang members is ridiculous on the face of it, but what would be more troubling would be what would happen when they started taking gobs of dirty money from those gangs to either look the other way or actively join them - you know, the things that "professionalism" seeks to prevent. Assuming they were worth bribing or enlisting in the first place. It just may be cheaper and less bother for the gangs to just off 'em.

Not that armed gangs of folks that can't figure out which side is up makes me feel any better either.

The Thin Blue Line is really thin, and attacking or maligning it won't make that problem better.

Matt Dillon and Chuck Connors make for good TV, but in the Real World, those simple days are gone for good.
 

I completely agree bum, its amazing how some of these people throw cops under the bus around here. I'd love to see them walk up to an inner city cop and the front lines and argues with them about how they don't protect the citizens of this country. I'd Love to see that.

NO ONE IS THROWING ANY POLICE UNDER ANY BUS!

I have the up most respect for law enforcement, I donate to their funds and had friends and family who were police....They are vastly underpaid for the job they perform and they put their lives on the line every day...

Saying police are not bound per Supreme Court to protect citizens is not an attack or an insult on the law enforcement agencies, it is a ruling scotus has made...







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Welcome to my world TH lol.

To be fair i think TH is just stating a supreme court ruling, not personal opinions and if SCOTUS says they ain't there to protect then by law they ain't there to protect!

In my opinion a police officer will give his life to protect yours IF he's around. They can't be within 1 minutes drive of every call. Their main job is prevention, if prevention doesn't work then there's nothing they can do if not on the scene until AFTER a crime has been committed!
 

IF and AFTER has quite a BIG in between,best be armed,just in case,if you know what I mean. GodBless Chris
 

I'm with worldtalker on this...
 

I think these discussions would be much better if we stuck with the issues and didnt turn everything into a personal attack - don't you agree?

I definitely agree.

Do you agree that the Constitution and Bill of Rights being maintained as a whole is of greater importance to this nation than the selfish desires of any one person or group of persons in the United States' government?
 

Do you find it appropriate to call someone "a bit yeller"? You don't believe this to be a personally insulting comment? Can you make your points without personal attacks? If your views are so strong and correct shouldn't they stand on there own without the need for personal attacks? General resorting to that is not a sign of someone making a strong case for themselves - correct?

Well, I guess being from Massachusetts you wouldn't understand how folks here use words. "Yeller" is used here in a joking manner. It usually means you caught someone who won't take a true stand. They hem and haw but won't come right out and answer a question. It's used much like the word "skeerd" (example, "Yain't skeerd, 'er ya?").

If I had called you a coward or a pathological liar, then you would have reason to see it as a personal attack.

Gotta remember: I'm a southerner. We speak a bit different here. Like Lewis Grizzard said, "GOD talks lie we do."

 

Well, I guess being from Massachusetts you wouldn't understand how folks here use words. "Yeller" is used here in a joking manner. It usually means you caught someone who won't take a true stand. They hem and haw but won't come right out and answer a question. It's used much like the word "skeerd" (example, "Yain't skeerd, 'er ya?").

If I had called you a coward or a pathological liar, then you would have reason to see it as a personal attack.

Gotta remember: I'm a southerner. We speak a bit different here. Like Lewis Grizzard said, "GOD talks lie we do."

YouTube Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imZjCbRuZ3c

Won't take a true stand? I think in about as open with my opinion on subjects as anyone around here. Can't help it if they all don't match your world view.
 

Guess I offended him again. I thought a little laughter might help . . . :dontknow:
 

I definitely agree.

Do you agree that the Constitution and Bill of Rights being maintained as a whole is of greater importance to this nation than the selfish desires of any one person or group of persons in the United States' government?

But isn't that the wisdom and greatness of the "checks and balances" system that our founding fathers created is to prevent this?

Just because you don't agree with someone policies doesn't mean they are breaking the law, etc. it's basically just comes across as "sour grapes" that Obama won. I'm sorry he won, I didnt vote for him. But to think that everything in the universe that is bad because if Obama is just a little childish. Earthquake in china - obama's fault. Lost my car keys - obama's fault. You get the picture. Some if you folks could get some good part time jobs writing articles for that infowars site. If you really want to help the Republican Party stop following them sheepishly and start holding them accountable for their failed policies and platform. Stop giving them a free pass or saying they only list because of fraud. No they lost because their only platform was - dont vote for the other guy. Hold them accountable.

Hopefully some day you will trust the system created by our founding fathers. No system is ever perfect but boy it's done a pretty damn good job so far.

And the best way to avoid someone misunderstanding your southern saying is just not to make personal comments - pure and simple. No misunderstandings then.
 

But isn't that the wisdom and greatness of the "checks and balances" system that our founding fathers created is to prevent this?

Just because you don't agree with someone policies doesn't mean they are breaking the law, etc. it's basically just comes across as "sour grapes" that Obama won. I'm sorry he won, I didnt vote for him. But to think that everything in the universe that is bad because if Obama is just a little childish. Earthquake in china - obama's fault. Lost my car keys - obama's fault. You get the picture. Some if you folks could get some good part time jobs writing articles for that infowars site. If you really want to help the Republican Party stop following them sheepishly and start holding them accountable for their failed policies and platform. Stop giving them a free pass or saying they only list because of fraud. No they lost because their only platform was - dont vote for the other guy. Hold them accountable.

Hopefully some day you will trust the system created by our founding fathers. No system is ever perfect but boy it's done a pretty damn good job so far.

And the best way to avoid someone misunderstanding your southern saying is just not to make personal comments - pure and simple. No misunderstandings then.

That's true, the "checks and balances" only work though, when everyone operates within the system. Deciding to do something like manufacturing a shortage of ammunition on their own means that the executive branch is operating OUTSIDE of the lines. (DHS is part of the executive branch as they answer directly to the president and work at his pleasure)

Let's suppose that W had decided unilaterally to ban abortions. With an executive order he could have done it. We know that it would probably have been struck down by SCOTUS, but what about all the perceived harm that would occur while people were waiting for that to happen?

While some doctors would probably ignore the order, many of those doctors' practices would be irreparably harmed by the law. Children of rape and incest victims would have to be carried to term and the mother would have to live with that horror for the full term knowing she was carrying that person's child. An unwanted child would have to be cared for, and with all the children who are already in institutions because they can't get adopted, they would have little prospect for having a family.

Similarly, the executive decision to unilaterally scoop up all ammunition in an attempt to deprive Americans of their rights under the Second Amendment, if tried in court, would likely be found a violation of the law in so much as it infringed on the rights of free Americans. The problem is, what about all the people who will be harmed until the situation is righted? The women who are raped because they could not physically fight off an attacker . . . because they had no ammunition for their handgun used for personal protection. The children killed during home invasions. The lives ended by violent criminals simply because they were no longer able to defend themselves due to the current administration's attempt to make an end run around the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Who will return those persons to the ranks of the living?

When any branch goes outside of their purview, it has attempted to defeat the checks and balances. If the system finds a way to bring them back into balance great. If they succeed, and thwart the built in system, then we are all in trouble. That is what we are seeing today.

As for democrat or republican, I see them as two sides of a cheating coin. Both are failures in my book. Individuals, on the other hand, may have the best interests of the people at heart. Only time will tell, but What's his name isn't one of them.
 

I know you will find this offensive, but since you didn't read my last post, or at the very least did not understand it . . .

I AM NOT REPUBLICAN AND DO NOT VOTE FOR A POLITICAL PARTY.

I don't give ANYONE a free pass.

I also won't bite my tongue about What's his name's efforts to destroy the Constitution. It is real, it is happening now. It is people who refuse to admit what is going on that embolden him to keep on his course!

Why would I find this offensive? For once you talked about yourself instead of talking about me. You can do this all you want. See I respect the different opinions and beliefs of others. Our great country allows us all to come to our own conclusions. Differences of opinions and healthy discussion is what made this country great. Read up on the creation if the founding docs and you will see the massive amount of debate and compromise that went into their creation. It was anything but a unanimous exercise.
 

And all my lib friends said the same exact thing about bush - patriot act, gitmo, rendition, WMD/Iraq invasion etc. I would debate my lib friends when they were all shouting for impeachment and war crime trials. I would expect that you were just as critical of whats his bush name given your beliefs of abuse of power and the constitution? Some things never change.

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"!!

Again you're wrong. One of the worst encroachments on the rights of the American People was "The Patriot Act". Regardless of the "claimed" intentions, it should be found unconstitutional because it violates the Bill of Rights.

If any man is willing to give up his liberty for security then he is deserving of neither. You won't ever find me singing the praises of Bush.

Patrick Henry once said: "Give me Liberty . . . or give me death." Do you agree with that sentiment?
 

And all my lib friends said the same exact thing about bush - patriot act, gitmo, rendition, WMD/Iraq invasion etc. I would debate my lib friends when they were all shouting for impeachment and war crime trials. I would expect that you were just as critical of whats his bush name given your beliefs of abuse of power and the constitution? Some things never change.

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"!!

I agree about the Patriot Act. I believe it violates the Constitution and Bill of Rights and thus should be considered illegal.

Didn't like Gitmo, but you probably wouldn't like my opinion about treatment of those people either.

There were some other items, like the payback for the oil industry during the second term . . . really got me and some of my friends who worked in the refineries and the oil fields when we were young very upset because it was so blatant. There was never a reason for $4 gas under Bush/Cheney. Dick Cheney used to sign our paychecks at Haliburton's "Brown & Root" construction branch.

I'm loyal to me and my beliefs.
 

I agree about the Patriot Act. I believe it violates the Constitution and Bill of Rights and thus should be considered illegal.

Didn't like Gitmo, but you probably wouldn't like my opinion about treatment of those people either.

There were some other items, like the payback for the oil industry during the second term . . . really got me and some of my friends who worked in the refineries and the oil fields when we were young very upset because it was so blatant. There was never a reason for $4 gas under Bush/Cheney. Dick Cheney used to sign our paychecks at Haliburton's "Brown & Root" construction branch.

I'm loyal to me and my beliefs.

So when the patriot act is challenged and stands up as being constitutional do you still believe that it is not?
 

I agree about the Patriot Act. I believe it violates the Constitution and Bill of Rights and thus should be considered illegal.

Didn't like Gitmo, but you probably wouldn't like my opinion about treatment of those people either.

There were some other items, like the payback for the oil industry during the second term . . . really got me and some of my friends who worked in the refineries and the oil fields when we were young very upset because it was so blatant. There was never a reason for $4 gas under Bush/Cheney. Dick Cheney used to sign our paychecks at Haliburton's "Brown & Root" construction branch.

I'm loyal to me and my beliefs.

And your prob right on my opinion of gitmo. I'm not likely to be agreeing with you and the folks at the ACLU. I say do whatever you need to do to get the info we need. And keep them as long as you feel you need to keep them.
 

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