New Yorkers now being given $500 rewards if they report gun owners to law enforcement

[dieselram94]

That's not true at all. Look at the FAWB (b equals ban). They allowed the grandfathering of weapons. The purpose of any type of law would be the reduction of death and violence. Funny, aren't you always one of those accusing others of "lawyer speak". I think the purpose of these bills are simple to reduce death and violence. Whether they work or not has been debated for many many decades and will continue to be debated. We do know that the UK does have a much lower rate of gun related murders.

I don't remember ever accusing anyone of "lawer speak"...Just which countries have grandfathered weapons and imposed a ban that actually have a lower crime rate? I don't think the U.K. grandfathered weapons but I am not 100% sure of that. Having a reduced rate of "gun related" murders just means that other means were employed to carry out these crimes. If someone is intent on killing, they will. Regardless of the weapons available...

 

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[0121stockpicker]

I don't remember ever accusing anyone of "lawer speak"...Just which countries have grandfathered weapons and imposed a ban that actually have a lower crime rate? I don't think the U.K. grandfathered weapons but I am not 100% sure of that. Having a reduced rate of "gun related" murders just means that other means were employed to carry out these crimes. If someone is intent on killing, they will. Regardless of the weapons available...

Don't disagree with that. But many spur of the moments or even suicides can potentially be prevented. Lots of gray area in the world. Things are not all black and white with a bow ontop - my only point.

 

[dieselram94]

I agree that lots of things are not all black and white but when it comes to our rights especially the first and second amendments it is very black and white. I don't want gun crime any more than anyone else but legislation will not help any. Never has.

 

[0121stockpicker]

I agree that lots of things are not all black and white but when it comes to our rights especially the first and second amendments it is very black and white. I don't want gun crime any more than anyone else but legislation will not help any. Never has.

I actually think the fully automatic weapon legislation did a lot to reduce crime and death don't you?

 

[dieselram94]

No, law abiding citizens do not commit murder. only criminals do and they will have any weapon they want fully automatic or not.

 

[0121stockpicker]

No, law abiding citizens do not commit murder. only criminals do and they will have any weapon they want fully automatic or not.

And the criminal given their choice will use the most powerful / destructive weapon they can get.

How many crimes are carried out by fully automatic weapons? Almost none. Why? Because there numbers are severely restricted in the market.

 

[dieselram94]

I have to disagree. A criminal wanting to rob a quick store doesn't need or most likely even want a large fully automatic weapon. They would get far to much attention walking in with one. They operate somewhat dependent on the element of surprise. Not to mention they don't want a good guy with a gun to even attempt to stop them.

 

[0121stockpicker]

I have to disagree. A criminal wanting to rob a quick store doesn't need or most likely even want a large fully automatic weapon. They would get far to much attention walking in with one. They operate somewhat dependent on the element of surprise. Not to mention they don't want a good guy with a gun to even attempt to stop them.

In that scenario - your correct.

 

[0121stockpicker]

I have to disagree. A criminal wanting to rob a quick store doesn't need or most likely even want a large fully automatic weapon. They would get far to much attention walking in with one. They operate somewhat dependent on the element of surprise. Not to mention they don't want a good guy with a gun to even attempt to stop them.

Your correct in that scenario.

 

[dieselram94]

It's been good talking with you tonight, however I am going to try to catch some sleep as morning comes early. Talk with you later.

 

[0121stockpicker]

It's been good talking with you tonight, however I am going to try to catch some sleep as morning comes early. Talk with you later.

Always a pleasure to have a nice discussion with folks with no insults etc etc being used. I wished more conversations on this board could happen this way. I always learn a lot from others here.

 

[bingbong]

Ah huh!...And UK streets are just flowing in rivers of blood because of it arn't they? Bodies everywhere?

Tell me something BB?....If you heard a bump downstairs in the night, would you be stood at the top of the stairs wondering if they had a gun? Be honest.

as in recent cases in the UK where intruders have been shot with a 12 gauge and homeowners have gotten off or a light sentence ,then thats the answer .
you can protect yourself from bad guys entering your home at night .

 

[releventchair]

I actually think the fully automatic weapon legislation did a lot to reduce crime and death don't you?

Full autos used in violent acts gained publicity during Capone era when gangsters stole browning b.a.r.s from military armories by at least one gang, Bonnie and Clyde used at least one of their 3, their source was police stations and officers. After the 30s not many references. Though Bonnie and Clyde inspired action in 1934 restrictions that came in place. A hefty tax,fingerprinting and registration.
The N.R.A. only to later regret, went with nodding to 1986 ban as it was near last minute attached to a bill they wanted passed.(but they did know!) Lesson learned,even though few had interest in full autos being owned then, it opened the door to debates over semi autos still going on. While 1934 requirements can be credited with reducing the number of a type of weapon its importance not to be missed is that it caused so few to be in circulation it made 1986 ban "easy". While i can not say what it saved in lives the 34 and 86 rules and regs together may be best successful control example. Like it or not it was effective. Today's semi auto numbers will not tolerate as easy a challenge, more owners and watchdogs involved. So Stocky if nothing else the full auto legislation brought attention to weapons control !

 

[packerbacker]

A semi-auto or 3-round burst is favored by the military as the full auto has a tendancy to rise on the target making it difficult to control by most non-expert shooters. I prefer a semi-auto over a full auto for that specific reason......also, ammo is getting costly!

 

[0121stockpicker]

Full autos used in violent acts gained publicity during Capone era when gangsters stole browning b.a.r.s from military armories by at least one gang, Bonnie and Clyde used at least one of their 3, their source was police stations and officers. After the 30s not many references. Though Bonnie and Clyde inspired action in 1934 restrictions that came in place. A hefty tax,fingerprinting and registration.
The N.R.A. only to later regret, went with nodding to 1986 ban as it was near last minute attached to a bill they wanted passed.(but they did know!) Lesson learned,even though few had interest in full autos being owned then, it opened the door to debates over semi autos still going on. While 1934 requirements can be credited with reducing the number of a type of weapon its importance not to be missed is that it caused so few to be in circulation it made 1986 ban "easy". While i can not say what it saved in lives the 34 and 86 rules and regs together may be best successful control example. Like it or not it was effective. Today's semi auto numbers will not tolerate as easy a challenge, more owners and watchdogs involved. So Stocky if nothing else the full auto legislation brought attention to weapons control !

Thank you. An important successful piece of legislation often "ignored" by gun extremists.

 

[releventchair]

Thank you. An important successful piece of legislation often "ignored" by gun extremists.

You are most welcome. Wayne was there in 86,when he goes to Washington now he goes knowing a bite off something can lead to more. Thus the hold your ground approach.

 

[Red James Cash]

Full autos used in violent acts gained publicity during Capone era when gangsters stole browning b.a.r.s from military armories by at least one gang

Actually Thompson submachine guns could be legally purchased by anybody up until they were banned due to gang violence.The Purple gang of Detroit was the first gang to use a Thompson.Dillinger was famous for breaking into armories to go shopping for guns,namely B.A.R.s

 

[0121stockpicker]

Actually Thompson submachine guns could be legally purchased by anybody up until they were banned due to gang violence.The Purple gang of Detroit was the first gang to use a Thompson.Dillinger was famous for breaking into armories to go shopping for guns,namely B.A.R.s

Tommy and the bar are prob two of the greatest weapons ever invented. Both very ahead of there times IMO.

 

[Red James Cash]

 

[releventchair]

Clyde was a 30-06 fan. Thus the b.a.r..course he had plenty of other choices with him.

Neat adds Red, great prices!.