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It is not spoon fed propaganda, it is a fact scous said police job is not protecting citizens, that doesn't mean police do not do every thing they can to protect citizens, but it also means it is the citizens job to protect ourselves, just as it always has been our job to protect our families and ourselves......

I have been armed all my life and will continue to be so the rest of my life to protect myself and my family and I will never submit to any gun registration as I consider it a violation of our 2nd amendment rights.

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It is not spoon fed propaganda, it is a fact scous said police job is not protecting citizens, that doesn't mean police do not do every thing they can to protect citizens, but it also means it is the citizens job to protect ourselves, just as it always has been our job to protect our families and ourselves......

I have been armed all my life and will continue to be so the rest of my life to protect myself and my family and I will never submit to any gun registration as I consider it a violation of our 2nd amendment rights.

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TH if you know constitutional law than you know that you can not take a ruling out of context. This ruling is only concerning the right of a citizen to sue the police - nothing else. You can not pull a sentence out of an entire ruling. Constitutional and case law just does not work that way.

Again I respect and agree with your opinion that the police will not always be there in a timely manner to protect us.
 

I disagree, if that was so all scous would have had to say is police can not be sued for failure to provide protection and threw case out...

Bottom line is Supreme Court said their job is not providing protection to citizens and there is no arguing they stated as such.

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I disagree, if that was so all scous would have had to say is police can not be sued for failure to provide protection and threw case out...

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That is basically what they did. You have to read the entire ruling. The case stated that the woman had the constitutional right to be protected by the police. Because she was not protected she believed she had the right to sue. The court responded that the police do not have the constitutional responsibility to protect her and therefore she could not sue.

Again you are complete entitled to your views and opinions. Best.
 

That is basically what they did. You have to read the entire ruling. The case stated that the woman had the constitutional right to be protected by the police. Because she was not protected she believed she had the right to sue. The court responded that the police do not have the constitutional responsibility to protect her and therefore she could not sue.

Again you are complete entitled to your views and opinions. Best.

The police came up to the house and apparently decided that there was nothing to worry about . . . not once, but twice.

It had nothing to do with being timely, it did state that the police could not be sued . . . but it definitively states that the police are not responsible to protect you. Read the opinion in full, don't skim it.

SCOTUS doesn't write decisions in code. It is DIRECT, TO THE POINT, and says that it is not the duty of the police to protect you from harm.

Go back to my links and read the decision again.
 

The police came up to the house and apparently decided that there was nothing to worry about . . . not once, but twice.

It had nothing to do with being timely, it did state that the police could not be sued . . . but it definitively states that the police are not responsible to protect you. Read the opinion in full, don't skim it.

SCOTUS doesn't write decisions in code. It is DIRECT, TO THE POINT, and says that it is not the duty of the police to protect you from harm.

Go back to my links and read the decision again.

That's right attitudes towards domestic violence really need to improve in this country. The police disregard was a real shame and frankly the court probably should have allowed the women to sue. Our entire society needs to take domestic violence more seriously.
 

Does anyone believe that this ruling is changing the actions of any police force in the country? I have certainly not heard or read of any changes what so ever?
 

Does anyone believe that this ruling is changing the actions of any police force in the country? I have certainly not heard or read of any changes what so ever?

No one has ever said the police will not do everything in their power to protect citizens most times, what we are saying is they are not obligated to do so according to scous.

Are you saying police are obligated to provide protection except when they fail, then they can't be sued for failing their obligation to do what Supreme Court says they are not obligated to do....


Okay then what about these
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South v. Maryland, 59 U.S. (How.) 396, 15 L.Ed.433 (1856) (the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that local law-enforcement had no duty to protect individuals, but only a general duty to enforce the laws.);
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Bowers v. Devito, 686 F.2d 616 (7th Cir. 1982) (There is no constitutional right to be protected by the state against being murdered by criminals or madmen. It is monstrous if the state fails to protect its residents against such predators but it does not violate the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, or, we suppose, any other provision of the Constitution. The Constitution is a charter of negative liberties; it tells the state to let the people alone; it does not require the federal government or the state to provide services, even so elementary a service as maintaining law and order.); (No duty to protect) = Rule 12(b)(6) Motion to Dismiss;Cf. Reciprocial obligations;
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Davidson v. City of Westminister, 32 Cal.3d 197, 185 Cal.Rptr. 252 (1982) (A husband and wife who were assaulted in a laundromat while the assailant was under surveillance by officers, brought legal action against the city and the officers for intentional and negligent infliction of emotional distress and for negligent investigation, failure to protect and failure to warn. The Supreme Court held that: (1) the mere fact that the officers had previously recognized the assailant from a distance as a potential assailant because of his resemblance to a person suspected of perpetrating a prior assault did not establish a "special relationship" between officers and assailant under which a duty would be imposed on officers to control assailant's conduct; (2) factors consisting of officer's prior recognition of assailant as likely perpetrator of previous assault and officer's surveillance of assailant in laundromat in which victim was present did not give rise to special relationship between officers and victim so as to impose duty on officers to protect victim from assailant; and (3) victim could not maintain cause of action for intentional or reckless infliction of emotional distress, in view of fact that it was not alleged that officers failed to act for the purpose of causing emotional injury, and that in the absence of such an intent to injure, officer's inaction was not extreme or outrageous conduct.);
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Susman v. City of Los Angeles, et al., 269 Cal.App.2d 803, 75 Cal.Rptr. 240 (1969) (An action was brought by several landowners against the City of Los Angeles and the State pleading eleven separate causes of action for damages arising out of the ‘Watts' Riots' of 1965. The Court of Appeal held that none of the allegations presented was sufficient to show any duty owed by any of the officials named as defendants to act to prevent or avoid the harm suffered by the plaintiffs.);
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Antique Arts Corp. v. City of Torrence, 39 Cal.App.3d 588, 114 Cal.Rptr. 332 (1974) (A silent burglar alarm installed on the premises of the store operated by the plaintiff was, during the course of a robbery by two armed men, activated at 3:32 p.m. and the alert message was relayed to the police department.
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The dispatch message to the units in the field was at 3:43 p.m., and a police unit arrived at the scene of the robbery at 3:44 p.m. The delay in the transmission of the dispatch enabled the robbers to complete the robbery and escape with jewelry and merchandise in the amount of $49,000. The Court of Appeal held that Govt. Code section 846 provides for immunity if no police protection is provided; or, if police protection is provided, but that protection is not sufficient.. "The statutory scheme makes it clear that failure to provide adequate police protection will not result in governmental liability, nor will a public entity be liable for failure to arrest a person who is violating the law. The statutory scheme shows legislative intent to immunize the police function from tort liability from the inception of its exercise to the point of arrest, regardless of whether the action be labeled ‘discretionary' or ‘ministerial.'");
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http://straylight.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/04-278.ZS.html
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Appeal No. 79-6
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The Gruesome Facts of the Case: In the early morning hours of March 16, 1975, appellants Carolyn Warren, Joan Taliaferro, and Miriam Douglas were asleep in their rooming house at 1112 Lamont Street, N.W. Warren and Taliaferro shared a room on the third floor of the house; Douglas shared a room on the second floor with her four-year-old daughter. The women were awakened by the sound of the back door being broken down by two men later identified as Marvin Kent and James Morse. The men entered Douglas' second floor room, where Kent forced Douglas to sodomize him and Morse raped her.
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Warren and Taliaferro heard Douglas' screams from the floor below. Warren telephoned the police, told the officer on duty that the house was being burglarized, and requested immediate assistance. The department employee told her to remain quiet and assured her that police assistance would be dispatched promptly.
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Warren's call was received at Metropolitan Police Department Headquarters at 6:23 a. m., and was recorded as a burglary in progress. At 6:26 a.m., a call was dispatched to officers on the street as a "Code 2" assignment, although calls of a crime in progress should be given priority and designated as "Code 1." Four police cruisers responded to the broadcast; three to the Lamont Street address and one to another address to investigate a possible suspect.
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Meanwhile, Warren and Taliaferro crawled from their window onto an adjoining roof and waited for the police to arrive. While there, they saw one policeman drive through the alley behind their house and proceed to the front of the residence without stopping, leaning out the window, or getting out of the car to check the back entrance of the house. A second officer apparently knocked on the door in front of the residence, but left when he received no answer. The three officers departed the scene at 6:33 a.m., five minutes after they arrived.
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Warren and Taliaferro crawled back inside their room. They again heard Douglas' continuing screams; again called the police; told the officer that the intruders had entered the home, and requested immediate assistance. Once again, a police officer assured them that help was on the way. This second call was received at 6:42 a. m. and recorded merely as "investigate the trouble" -- it was never dispatched to any police officers.
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Believing the police might be in the house, Warren and Taliaferro called down to Douglas, thereby alerting Kent to their presence. Kent and Morse then forced all three women, at knifepoint, to accompany them to Kent's apartment. For the next fourteen hours the women were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, forced to commit sexual acts upon each other, and made to submit to the sexual demands of Kent and Morse.
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Appellants' claims of negligence included: the dispatcher's failure to forward the 6:23 a.m. call with the proper degree of urgency; the responding officers' failure to follow standard police investigative procedures, specifically their failure to check the rear entrance and position themselves properly near the doors and windows to ascertain whether there was any activity inside; and the dispatcher's failure to dispatch the 6:42 a. m. call.
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Appeal No. 79-394
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No Duty to Protect: On April 30, 1978, at approximately 11:30 p.m., appellant Nichol stopped his car for a red light at the intersection of Missouri Avenue and Sixteenth Street, N.W. Unknown occupants in a vehicle directly behind appellant struck his car in the rear several times, and then proceeded to beat appellant about the face and head breaking his jaw.
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A Metropolitan Police Department officer arrived at the scene. In response to the officer's direction, appellant's companion ceased any further efforts to obtain identification information of the assailants. When the officer then failed to get the information, leaving Nichol unable to institute legal action against his assailants, Nichol brought a negligence action against the officer, the Metropolitan Police Department and the District of Columbia.
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The trial judges correctly dismissed both complaints. In a carefully reasoned Memorandum Opinion, Judge Hannon based his decision in No. 79-6 on "the fundamental principle that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen." See p. 4, infra. The duty to provide public services is owed to the public at large, and, absent a special relationship between the police and an individual, no specific legal duty exists. Holding that no special relationship existed between the police and appellants in No. 79-6, Judge Hannon concluded that no specific legal duty existed. We hold that Judge Hannon was correct and adopt the relevant portions of his opinion. Those portions appear in the following Appendix.[fn1]
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Judge Pryor, then of the trial court, ruled likewise in No. 79-394 on the basis of Judge Hannon's opinion. In No. 79-394, a police officer directed Nichol's companion to cease efforts to identify the assailants and thus to break off the violent confrontation. The officer's duty to get that identification was one directly related to his official and general duty to investigate the offenses. His actions and failings were solely related to his duty to the public generally and possessed no additional element necessary to create an overriding special relationship and duty.[fn2]
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That's right attitudes towards domestic violence really need to improve in this country. The police disregard was a real shame and frankly the court probably should have allowed the women to sue. Our entire society needs to take domestic violence more seriously.

Does anyone believe that this ruling is changing the actions of any police force in the country? I have certainly not heard or read of any changes what so ever?

Does the ruling have to be handed down by What's his name before you believe it?

It says EXACTLY WHAT THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES MEANT IT TO SAY.

NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. EXACTLY WHAT THEY MEANT TO SAY.


If you cannot understand that, you must be great fun for con men. By the way, I own a mountain in southeast Louisiana called Mount Placquemines, located in the parish of the same name. Don't believe all that talk about how it was flooded during Katrina. I'm selling it for $1/acre. It's actually taller than Everest, but you know how those freakin mean old republicans are . . . they keep trying to convince people it's really under sea level.

Why not? Makes as much sense as denying what SCOTUS said is exactly what they said.
 

Does the ruling have to be handed down by What's his name before you believe it?

It says EXACTLY WHAT THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES MEANT IT TO SAY.

NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. EXACTLY WHAT THEY MEANT TO SAY.

If you cannot understand that, you must be great fun for con men. By the way, I own a mountain in southeast Louisiana called Mount Placquemines, located in the parish of the same name. Don't believe all that talk about how it was flooded during Katrina. I'm selling it for $1/acre. It's actually taller than Everest, but you know how those freakin mean old republicans are . . . they keep trying to convince people it's really under sea level.

Why not? Makes as much sense as denying what SCOTUS said is exactly what they said.

Your rant is Personally Insulting and completely out of line and against the rules of this site. Thanks.
 

Your rant is Personally Insulting and completely out of line and against the rules of this site. Thanks.

I have noticed you are particularly thin skinned lately for a fella that loves to stir up trouble. What makes you cry wolf so often?
 

Dave dont you know its in vogue to start trouble then whine and cry victim.Its done all the time here by certain members(you know who you are).:laughing9:
 

Dave dont you know its in vogue to start trouble then whine and cry victim.Its done all the time here by certain members(you know who you are).:laughing9:

Start trouble? So posting fact and voicing ones opinion is starting trouble? Well the British did accuse the founding fathers of stirring up trouble.

Is there ever any need to make personal attacks. The mods of this site have asked the personal attacks to stop and have asked that we report people making personal attacks. Are you saying that the mods are wrong?
 

Posting facts are one thing, but you seem to only post opinions that you want to be true stocky.

By the way I love the way you in artfully try to entrap people with misleading statements.
 

Posting facts are one thing, but you seem to only post opinions that you want to be true stocky.

By the way I love the way you in artfully try to entrap people with misleading statements.

And aren't we allowed to post out opinions on this thread or not?
 

Sure you are stocky. You should stop trying to say they are facts then I guess.
 

Sure you are stocky. You should stop trying to say they are facts then I guess.

Feel free if I state something is a fact and you feel it is incorrect to correct with your own opinions. But there is no need to make personal attacks is there?
 

Then don't make them Stocky?
 

And aren't we allowed to post out opinions on this thread or not?

Of course you are, but some of us would appreciate it if you stopped the baiting. Veiled personal attacks are "a bit yeller" as we say here in Arkansas.
 

Of course you are, but some of us would appreciate it if you stopped the baiting. Veiled personal attacks are "a bit yeller" as we say here in Arkansas.

So anyone who disagrees with you is "baiting"? I'd be curious to see any of these so called "veiled personal attacks" that you accuse me of making. I guess you should be commended for just making unveiled personal attacks?? I stick with discussing the issues and not turning everything into a personal dialog. I think these discussions would be much better if we stuck with the issues and didnt turn everything into a personal attack - don't you agree?
 

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