New Yorkers now being given $500 rewards if they report gun owners to law enforcement

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Just in case New York law is watching.
Mine does not have a threaded barrel...:laughing7:
 

Gotta get one of those. Going at the top of my Christmas wish list. I'll display it in the now empty rifle rack in my pickup. As long as the Wal-Mart shelves stay stocked with drinking water, I'll never run out of ammo. The high capacity water clip probably is already outlawed in CA, CO & NY.

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Yup have to get the high capacity clips on the black market now because of those three states.
To bad to as I love California as a state, just despise their politics...:BangHead:
 

I agree Dano, if the program was to get illegal guns off the street, that would be a means of doing it. Thing is, this program was put into place in 2012. Now NY has the "SAFE" act which makes guns illegal that used to be legal. They are trying to get citizens to report neighbors that were law abiding citizens BEFORE the SAFE act. THAT is the problem. I refuse to do it and I pity anyone that is found out.
 

You might get a commendation to hang on the wall as well as the reward from Der Fuhrer for being a snitch.
 

It is designed to take guns away from all law abiding citizens and violates OUR Constitution and OUR Bill of Rights......It is an illegal law....

That's interesting. How about gangbangers? Are they covered under the Second Amendment?
 

That's interesting. How about gangbangers? Are they covered under the Second Amendment?

BL, you know every citizen is covered by the Constitution, unless they have been convicted of a crime they are all covered under the 2nd admendment.....

Our forefathers did not write the Constitution and Bill of Rights to keep us all safe, it was written to ensure our liberty.......To enjoy our liberties you have to be willing to sacrifice some degree of safety, it is each and every individual's responsibility to ensure their safety....

Supreme Court has already ruled it is not the polices job to protect the citizens, it is their job to investigate and solve crime, this means it is CITIZENS job to protect ourselves and our familes....
 

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BL, you know every citizen is covered by the Constitution, unless they have been convicted of a crime they are all covered under the 2nd admendment.....

Our forefathers did not write the Constitution and Bill of Rights to keep us all safe, it was written to ensure our liberty.......To enjoy our liberties you have to be willing to sacrifice some degree of safety, it is each and every individual's responsibility to ensure their safety....

Supreme Court has already ruled it is not the polices job to protect the citizens, it is their job to investigate and solve crime, this means it is CITIZENS job to protect ourselves and our familes....


I agree about ensuring our liberty. But: On the Sheriff's Department cars, it says, "To Serve and Protect". I'd like a link to that Supreme Court decision, but I can tell you that the Sheriff's Department here is in disagreement with how you see it. And I'm happy with that.

There has been some "unclarification" of criminals "rights" in some of the posts. Maybe it's OK if it exempts someone else, but not me.......... huh?

NY city has had success in the past by shaking gang members down, enough to make the streets safer. I think that's a good thing.

I've had firearms since I was 8, and had a pistol almost that long. They're a natural part of me, but I am grateful for, and have a lot of respect for, Law Enforcement -a necessary part of government. Even I don't think that I can cover myself in all situations until the end of my natural life, and I know all my loved ones can't as well as I can. We don't all live in Montana (a paradise, by my standards). Life is just a little more complex than we should all carry pistols and off the bad guys.

So, with part of my "individual's responsibility" - citizenship -, I vote to have a law enforcement presence. And, on the federal level, a military one.
 

BL,

Here is your request....

SUPREME COURT RULING: Police Have No Duty To Protect The General Public

January 28 2013


People who don’t understand taking responsibility for your own safety often ask me why I wouldn’t just call the police to stop a crime instead of drawing a gun. Well for one, a great police response time would be 1-2 minutes, but most crimes take place in a matter of seconds. Two, police have no duty to protect me, or you.

Based on the headline of this article you might think this is an important new ruling, but it’s not. The court has kept this stance for over 30 years.

The Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that police officers at all levels of the government have no duty to protect the citizens of this country.

It is the job of police officers to investigate crimes and arrest criminals.

We are on our own for protection.

While we are quite sure most police officers will help someone in need when required, just remember the next time you feel you might need protection that police officers have no duty to provide that to you.


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html?_r=0


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2005 SCOTUS Ruling: Police Not Constitutionally Bound to Protect Citizens
by AWR Hawkins 11 Jan 2013

A 2005 Supreme Court of the United States (SCOTUS) ruling that received little attention when handed down, but which is extremely pertinent to today's gun debate, found that police officers are not constitutionally bound to protect citizens.

The case originated in Colorado, where Simon Gonzales violated a restraining from his estranged wife in order to kidnap and kill his three children. In between the time of the kidnapping and the murders, the mother of the children, Jessica Gonzales, repeatedly called the police to report the whereabouts of her children.

After her children were killed, she sued on grounds that the police did not react fast enough--and therefore did not protect her children from harm.

After an appeals court reversed a lower court ruling throwing out the case, the SCOTUS ruled that police officers are not, in fact, constitutionally bound to protect.

This is important because so many people are under the delusion that we can all give up our guns, and if anything does go wrong we can just dial 911 and everything will be fine.

No. We are responsible for our own lives, our own families, our own property.

This is no slight against police officers, whom we ought to support 100%. It is just a reminder that in the real world, our defense and the defense of those we love is in our own hands--literally.


2005 SCOTUS Ruling: Police Not Constitutionally Bound to Protect Citizens


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While most police will go out of their way to protect the citizens, as stated by the US Supreme Court they are not obligated to do so, it is our jobs to protect and defend our familes and ourselves, it does not mater what it says on the side of the Police Car, in the end our families and our defense falls on our shoulders......It takes over 15 mins for most 911 calls to be responded to, I can have my fire arm out in less than 15 seconds ready to defend my family and myself if needed as is my right by the 2nd Amendment of the Bill of Rights of the United States Constitution....
 

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Well, well.

"police officers are not constitutionally bound to protect citizens."

Flash. The Constitution is NOT the only authority in our land. There are Federal Codes, state statutes, and local ordinances, all of which can put you an the ground getting cuffed and spending time in the Crowbar Hotel.

So, your statement that "Police Have No Duty To Protect The General Public" and:

"The Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that police officers at all levels of the government have no duty to protect the citizens of this country.

It is the job of police officers to investigate crimes and arrest criminals.

We are on our own for protection.

While we are quite sure most police officers will help someone in need when required, just remember the next time you feel you might need protection that police officers have no duty to provide that to you."

would draw howls from a sworn law enforcement officer, who every day can be, and are, called on to put their lives on the line for an apparently ungrateful public.

I know a lot of these fine public servants, and I think the world of them. I've even helped bury a few of the finest. It's like saying that the military has no responsibility to protect you from the enemies of the United States. It's frankly an insult to their oaths and character.

They are the finest men and women I know.
 

BL,

My post has no animosity towards our law enforcement, they have a hard job and are under paid for what they do.. I have nothing but the highest respect for law enforcement.

With that said you asked for the link on the Supreme court ruling and I provided it.

Bottom line Supreme COURT has ruled on multiple cases police job is NOT to provide protection to citizens. but rather to investigate and solve crimes which means it is up to the citizens to protect ourselves.

While my wife is calling 911 I am armed to protect my family and possessions, as is my right under 2nd amendment and Florida state law on defending life and home.
 

Rebel, I wish the welfare office would offer a reward like this and actually prosecute welfare fraud. The money would be much better spent!

Amen, Brother
 

BL,

My post has no animosity towards our law enforcement, they have a hard job and are under paid for what they do.. I have nothing but the highest respect for law enforcement.

With that said you asked for the link on the Supreme court ruling and I provided it.

Bottom line Supreme COURT has ruled on multiple cases police job is NOT to provide protection to citizens. but rather to investigate and solve crimes which means it is up to the citizens to protect ourselves.

While my wife is calling 911 I am armed to protect my family and possessions, as is my right under 2nd amendment and Florida state law on defending life and home.

I think you're misunderstanding the decision.

Police may have no obligation UNDER THE CONSTITUTION to provide protection to citizens. Police are expected to provide protection to citizens under a variety of other laws, policies, and oaths however. Many retired police actually extend that oath under the concept of "Oathkeepers", which I think is great.

Show me where the Supreme Court has ruled that police providing protection to citizens is unconstitutional.

Therefore the statement "but rather to investigate and solve crimes which means it is up to the citizens to protect ourselves" is disingenuous. Why would they even need to be armed or sworn? Extending your argument to the military would make soldiers mere historians.

We, as citizens, expect our police to provide protection to citizens. We expect them to go in harm's way to do that.

No, they can't be in every place as often as we'd like, and yes, I believe in personal protection. I don't expect any other citizen to protect me, and frankly, hearing some of the people that crow about carrying and sound like anarchists make me more than a little nervous.
 

As stated by Supreme court police do not have the duty to provide protection to individuals except under specific assignments...

Wade vs Dist of Columbia...1981

Supreme Court has kept that stance for over 30 years.
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