Jesse James Treasures: Do They Likely Still Exist?

Crosse De Sign said:
Bee? Sniffing Dog? Saying Oh? Can you tie that into other clues,
or, Can I try some of what ye be drinkin' ? He! He! :laughing7:... :cross:

P.S. That mountain water must be reale good. Maybe I just cain't sees
it well, if you could point it out?
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GLADLY... HIC! 1st "pic" - Buffalo Face with BEE body (wings) & 3 Legs; 2nd "pic" - "OH!" face on far left... looking like THE SCREAM face done by Edvard Munch, with 2nd rock face sniffing/kissing butt with a frown... a bit of a Grump, don't ya think...?
 

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With all the riding to do and virtually no roads where they went I oftened wonder if they really did that much robberies and plunder with the time allotment in all the assumed stories about them. My deceased father worked for a burial company in Kansas city where I was raised, and buried people sometimes in the graveyard in Kearney Mo where JJ was to susposed to be buried and he mentioned that people would chip a piece of grave stone off JJ's headstone for souviners and that they had to replace the headstone at onetime like back in 70's or 80's when my father worked up their.Then time went on and the news got on the subject and they had a dig for nat. geo. or something and found out the bones couldn't be dna for a real James family I believe it was. shortribs.
 

rwd mo said:
With all the riding to do and virtually no roads where they went I oftened wonder if they really did that much robberies and plunder with the time allotment in all the assumed stories about them. My deceased father worked for a burial company in Kansas city where I was raised, and buried people sometimes in the graveyard in Kearney Mo where JJ was to susposed to be buried and he mentioned that people would chip a piece of grave stone off JJ's headstone for souviners and that they had to replace the headstone at onetime like back in 70's or 80's when my father worked up their.Then time went on and the news got on the subject and they had a dig for nat. geo. or something and found out the bones couldn't be dna for a real James family I believe it was. shortribs.
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HA! JJ & gangs had OTHERS pretending to be JJ & gangs; they were ALL ex-CSA REBS, trained by Q & others (KGC); I think JJ had a gang that was all BLACKS, once... dunno, tho.
AND! I think JJ was at least 2nd Degree - KGC, which was "state-level"; 3rd & FINAL degree KGC was "NATIONAL" in NYC, with 5-7 LEADERS (357). KGC became OAK; from NYC, went to Colorado Springs to "encourage" GROWTH & STATE RIGHTS... to the Pacific. NEW slaves became Chinese & other Oriental ppl; $$$$$$$$$$ from various "Drug Trades" helped with WESTERN GROWTH. REAL JJ...? WHO CARES!
 

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Crosse De Sign said:
I think something could still be out there
planted in the ground somewhere, but if
there is, maybe Rebel's right, jut a mason
jar with some nice antique coins. How likely
would it be, to find something like that?
Not very likely at all, that is for sure ... :cross:
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Except on OLD Cowboy Roads/Trails; MAYBE, the FEDS made 'em "Fire Roads", now... dunno.
 

Crosse De Sign said:
Rebel,

Yes, or someone bought the whole mountain,
and only occasionally, 40-50 yrs. or so, some
loggers go in, and harvest the pine. Maybe
there's a hunting club, that owns, and visits
the place, just a few times a year.

The ancient trails have faded, blended back
in to nature, and may be very hard, or even
impossible to see now, if at all. I have seen
wagon trails, that you could barely tell were
ever there, in places. The ancient spirits of
the buried men of old, long gone, and any
treasures of antiquity, resting quietly... :cross:
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Check haunted areas at night...
 

Crosse De Sign said:
This seems to be a good subject: To exchange ideas and theories, as to whether there may still be any Jesse James treasure(s) out there undiscovered somewhere? If So, Do the known maps have yet to lead someone to their discovery, are they even real, and what is the likelihood either way? What is really known, or supposed about their traveling and activities between hold-ups, supposedly attributed to them? It should be interesting to look at perspectives of these legendary James Gang treasure tales...
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Well, if they do exist the family doesn't know where they are. My grandmother, born in the 1890's was a James. She grew up knowing Cousin Jesse and Cousin Frank were modern day Robin Hoods; at least that was the story she was told. But the family never mentioned knowing anything about any hidden treasure. I will enjoy reading this thread just to see what my great, great cousins may have left behind.

Daddy always refused to claim them as family, said they were just outlaws.
 

Crosse De Sign said:
I don't know about them being Robin Hoods, I
realize that was probably some folk's perception
of them. If we had lived back in that time, maybe
we would all understand some of their opinions more.

Some of the things to me, that's most interesting, about
the person known as the notorious outlaw Jesse James.

That he, Frank, the Youngers, etc., rode in the C.S.
guerillas with Quantrill, maybe Bill Anderson, and though
he was seriously injured numerous times, close to death,
he recovered.

That Belle Starr was a teenage confederate spy, who
the gang knew during the war. They apparently rode
through where she and Blue Duck lived, in The Nations.
This was known by the locals, that were not related and
likely didn't ever have any dealings with them, but they
knew who came and went thru their lands...

Indians mixed with, and adapted, to the white man's
cultures, and ways. Saw a lot of things they rarely
had occasion to talk about. Some of their ancestors
may have fought in the Civil War also, a major
loosing venture for them. But, some of them
lived out in the woods, where things had
seemed to have happened. They didn't
seem to be bothered by the outlaws,
who knows, maybe they knew them
and helped them, I don't know.

Lastly, that JJ the character, the leader,
mastermind of the gang of hard men, that
had likely all known, seen and caused in
retaliation, some of the most atrocious acts
of war, all in as much secrecy as possible...

Then they leave various carvings in several
states, with JJ being just one of the clues
they, or he used. Even if they did, or did
not stash anything at each, or any place.
Or whether they ever got back to all of
the sites, and got any or all of the loot
they may have stashed. There are the types
of markings. Symbols that Jesse had preferred to
take the time to carve, leaving a lasting legacy in stone... :cross:
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GREAT info, THANKS! THIS is what I think... JJ was 2nd Degree KGC ( LEADER - State Level), and had 1st Degree KGC talented, creative member(s),to do carvings, signs, etc over a WIDE-RANGING area in South Central USA to indicate "site of interest". Floyd Mann said that KGC utilized Masonic "signs", etc. + whatever of local interest, like a carving of a pistol in OK. I don't think JJ took the time to "carve"... they traveled "lightly".
 

Crosse De Sign said:
Hey Rebel

Those are very interesting thoughts, I'm sure based on close
observation, and a lot of research. I have thought that JJ had used
some Masonic "signs", and that seems to be fairly commonly believed.

The 2nd Degree KGC (LEADER - State Level), and 1st Degree KGC,
talented members carving "site of interest", I think is a very intriguing
aspect. Maybe you could explain that a little, in relation to the top of
the chain of command, of the KGC organization.

If other people carved at interested "sites", they would have been
that many more souls, to be in the know, of the possible locations.

That opens up the potential of more backtrackers, to a possible
cache location, to recover a deposit. It sounds like a different
style of marking a location, than the things that were used by
Frank and later treasure hunters, to find some things they
had buried, mapped, and left there in the Wichitas.

Like the things, those eyewitnesses saw Frank, and
his treasure recovery assistant, who were definitely
observed by the outside witnesses, hunting, and also
digging up, those substantial looking amounts of
loot back then. The clues used of those caches,
were apparently marked as a different sort of
project, than the things that Jesse had
supposedly secretly cached for the KGC...

I think Jesse was a man who liked a lot of control.
It doesn't make sense to me, that he would involve
any more people, than he had to. If he did use other
talented KGC members to carve signs, then probably
the carving and caching times, were carefully organized
by him, to suit him, for the highly secreted treasure spots.

Then Jesse could have easily done smaller things,
that didn't take an excessive amount of time, like
carving his initials, that would have been putting
his finishing touches, on the clues.

Then why, I wonder, would he make maps, that
would supposedly help one in the know, to figure
out a supposed buried treasure site. Unless he'd
thought that it might be out there for awhile, and
wanted the things to be able to be later recovered,
maybe in case if something happened to him.

But then, how did those maps he supposedly
made, get out to where they could be used,
by those outsiders who may not have been
formally initiated.

Unless, they were possessed by other gang
members, who were trusted, and would have
likely known a lot about it, and the location.

These thoughts, all make me to think,
that there is most likely less of a chance,
that there would have been anything left,
that JJ may have had a part in, or knew of... :cross:
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JJ was a "Control Freak"...
 

Crosse De Sign said:
You said it Rebel

Was trying to put it mildly, as not to be offensive.

Frank was definitely witnessed recovering caches, and now,
who knows the number of them. There was some observation
of frustration, on Frank's seeking some apparently important ones,
and that is key. He didn't live that much longer, after he left the Wichitas.

Where did he go between that time? There are many more questions
than answers. There were definite clues, as to the supposed 18 jack-
loads of Mexican gold bullion, the legend says they seized from the
Federal'es, in Chihuahua, Mexico. If Frank looked pretty hard for it,
as it was thought that he did, and was not successful, to the point
of noticable frustration. It wouldn't be as easy, for Frank to carry
or use the bulky Mexican gold bars, for anything he may have
needed, at that point anyway. Why did he sell rocks off of
Jesse's grave? To fulfill the public demand, feed the
legacy, and save whatever money he had.


Then, if Jesse had not been shot by Bob Ford, it looks like
he could have sent word, to help Frank succeed. Unless others that
have pondered it all, are right. That the burnt pack saddle buckles, were
the only thing, that was left at the spot there. Where they had burned
the saddles for heat, to cook a mule, and dispose the evidence of
the 18 Mexican pack saddles.

They quickly, and temporarily stashed the bullion. Jesse likely returned
later, whenever, and with whoever he chose. The Territory was still not legally
open to white settlement, say in 1876 or so. He would not necessarily have to
have had all of the gang, to move the heavy gold bars. He and his select
helpers, could have moved portions, fairly unnoticed. No matter the
number of men, he used to re-plant the smaller portions of the
large amount of bars, he could call the shots, and still keep
the exact cache spots a close secret known to only a few.
That may partly be the reason, why he had made maps.

Later, Jesse would have had plenty of time and opportunity, to move,
and probably, as has been previously pointed out by some observant
treasure hunters, carefully disperse it into more than one other location.

That would be in keeping with his continual effort of not only secrecy,
and to keep the treasure spread out, but also to satisfy his personal,
micro managing kind of control... :cross:
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Frank James...? In 1882, he was living in Lynchburg, Va. with his family (as James Warren), when Jess was "killed"; Frank's where-abouts are in his trial transcripts & Lynchburg, Va. is on p. 7 (on-line). ALSO in 1882, there was a "secret" meeting of REBELS (Frank was one... & an outlaw), ex-REBELS, and several writers to "do" a Cover-Story for CSA Treasury for Virginia & "Richmond, Va. "stores" for the state of Virginia to be moved to Lynchburg, Va. or points WEST (per GEN. Robert E. Lee to CSA Prez Jeff Davis). What they compiled, became the BEALE PAPERS in 1885. It looks like Frank James later become the MYSTERY MAN OF UPPER GOOSE CREEK Valley, "BUCK" W.T. Wright... MOUNTAIN MAN Sentinel (along with BEAR Toley, MOUNTAIN MAN Sentinel FURTHER north along the Blue Ridge Mountains)... ALL of which is now FED-LAND)!!!
 

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Crosse De Sign said:
I don't know about them being Robin Hoods, I
realize that was probably some folk's perception
of them. If we had lived back in that time, maybe
we would all understand some of their opinions more.
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Well, Grandmother grew up in the South when there was still a great deal of bitterness about the Civil War (the War of Northern Aggression). The James Gang was seen, I think as hitting the "damn Yankees" and depending if we lived back then in the North or the South would have greatly colored our opinions, too, I suspect.

Because of the carpetbaggers and other things, Granddaddy said he never voted Republican his entire life. He died in 1982, so he might have voted for Reagan in 1984, but in 1980, he voted for the southern democrat, Jimmy Carter. Though he never said, I think he just might have voted for Reagan because he was really upset at Carter by 1980, but I don't know. But yes, if we had lived back then, our opinions would have been shaped differently by what we went through...just like my father and the Depression. That "Greatest Generation," that produced men like my father (14,300 military flying hours in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam), the "Band of Brothers" and all those who fought in WWII was shaped by what they lived through.
 

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From a 1913 newspaper. Untitled.jpg
 

I was just trying to get back into my search for JJ treasure. I have all kind of info on one that I have been to lazy or busy to go look for. It is from the wv bank. For 5 years I traced his trail from know places and family stories. I had the trail all the way to va but most people claim he wasn't in wv long but I say he was 5 to 6 months of my memory is correct( would have to look back in my notes) all this was started after I heard a tale from my grand father that started showing some truth. I have question for jj followers. Was he related to stonewall Jackson. If so where is stonewall from. Oh and ps I am related to stonewall.
 

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