Jesse James Treasures: Do They Likely Still Exist?

[jeff of pa]

Try This. AFJ at James Farm...Get Out Your Cole Younger Free Pass...

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[Kace]

This is Just To Show "some" of what else Family Cemeteries can be used for...Note the tree in the center. It was in a pot that could be lifted out. The vehicle access to the cemetery also had trees in pots that were lifted out to get WANTED access Only. Think about the Old Home Places that had cemeteries. Back in the day, who thought anything about that. Who checked anything? To me it's a Perfect Place to hide Anything or Anyone. Easy to make Sandstone Grave Markers...

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[Kace]

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THANKS JEFF! I just posted another pic. Could Someone Hit Like on Both so I know you can see them?

 

[jeff of pa]

THANKS JEFF! I just posted another pic. Could Someone Hit Like on Both so I know you can see them?

Can now. I doubled it up for You

 

[Kace]

Can now. I doubled it up for You

THANKS JEFF...YOU ROCK!! I'll start doubling them.

Kace

 

[Rebel - KGC]

In the Missouri '78 exhumation the skull was Face Up.

How Did JJ FEET get burned?

When and Where was he Supposedly Hung?

Doing More JFD research of course that came up. I either don't know or remember the original JWJ story about the burns or hanging.

AFTER JJ's "murder" in 1882; have not seen ANYTHING on JJ being hung nor feet burned... dunno.

 

[Ditlihi]

AFTER JJ's "murder" in 1882; have not seen ANYTHING on JJ being hung nor feet burned... dunno.

I would be more inclined to ask how J. Frank Dalton got the burn marks and rope burn, and who was the individual who proclaimed them to be identical to marks "known" on JJ's body. Where is any claim of Jesse having burn marks on his feet and a rope burn on his neck prior to this pronouncement? I haven't seen one. Complicity with JFD?

And where is the evidence that Charlie Bigelow ever existed in reality? There is absolutely nothing in the historic record that proves there ever was a Charles Bigelow.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

"D", I think you are correct; it was a J. Frank "Jesse" Dalton "feet burn marks"/neck "rope burns" (IMHO). CB MAY have been "JJ" as murdered in 1882, dunno. Hence, why he was buried "face down".

 

[Rebel - KGC]

OR! MAYBE, it was JJ's cousin, Jeremiah Mason James, aka Tom Howard (they DID look alike), that was murdered. JJ lived on to take JMJ's place in life... becoming a FARMER!

 

[Ditlihi]

It's my understanding that when the body was first exhumed, to move it from the James farm to the cemetery, it was face up. Upon the second exhumation in 1995, the body was face down....which could easily be explained by movement during the prior exhumation.

Are you suggesting it was a James cousin using CB as an alias, that was murdered? I'm confused, lol.

 

[Ditlihi]

Is there a photo of Charlie Bigelow to be found anywhere?

 

[Kace]

AFTER JJ's "murder" in 1882; have not seen ANYTHING on JJ being hung nor feet burned... dunno.

Ok...I think I figured out where I got that in my head. On post #276 you quoted what was found on JFD. NOT JWJ that I was thinking about.

On that note. Mr Dalton has quite the history of assuming names.

He claimed to be Lawman John Dalton older brother of the Dalton Brothers Gang
Proven a Lie

Then it was Frank Dalton-Lie

Then it was J. (John) Frank Dalton-Lie

Then He was Jesse Woodson James

I'll post a pic of him in a little while...Not that I'm convinced of him being JWJ...But this pic looks like he could be a relative. There was a facial recognition specialist who compared known pics of JWJ to JFD and he was ruled out. That doesn't mean he wasn't somehow related. He just lied so much...who knows.

You guys decide what you think.

 

[Kace]

I would be more inclined to ask how J. Frank Dalton got the burn marks and rope burn, and who was the individual who proclaimed them to be identical to marks "known" on JJ's body. Where is any claim of Jesse having burn marks on his feet and a rope burn on his neck prior to this pronouncement? I haven't seen one. Complicity with JFD?

And where is the evidence that Charlie Bigelow ever existed in reality? There is absolutely nothing in the historic record that proves there ever was a Charles Bigelow.

D... YOU ARE SPOT ON I THINK! I've looked and can FIND NOTHING SUGGESTING JJ. I think I got it in my head when Reb posted a reference only to JFD....I thought somewhere it was documented that JWJ had that. If it is I can't find it.

**I did find though that JWJ lost half of his middle finger as a young teenager cleaning his Loaded Gun.

JFD was missing just the tip.

I'm Not sure Bigelow Ever Existed in reference to JWJ.. More Ramblings from JFD...

You were exactly right to say go to JFD FIRST instead of JWJ!

 

[Kace]

"D", I think you are correct; it was a J. Frank "Jesse" Dalton "feet burn marks"/neck "rope burns" (IMHO). CB MAY have been "JJ" as murdered in 1882, dunno. Hence, why he was buried "face down".

Where did it say he was buried Face Down?

At the 1978 exhumation the skull was Face Up.

The casket although Severely Deteriorated was that Old kind that had a Glass Window in the lid above the face. Really Not Much left at all. The curious thing about that though was there was a slug in there that was NOT Damaged. Like it never hit anything hard such as Bone. I found that odd with a supposed Almost Point Blank HEAD SHOT! Like an afterthought to toss a Slug/Ball in the casket. There were fabric pieces but this Grave/Casket/Body was in REALLY BAD SHAPE.

 

[Kace]

Is there a photo of Charlie Bigelow to be found anywhere?

I haven't found one yet.

 

[Kace]

It's my understanding that when the body was first exhumed, to move it from the James farm to the cemetery, it was face up. Upon the second exhumation in 1995, the body was face down....which could easily be explained by movement during the prior exhumation.

Are you suggesting it was a James cousin using CB as an alias, that was murdered? I'm confused, lol.

The "Body" and I use that term loosely was Not Intact in Any Way in 1978.

 

[Ditlihi]

The "Body" and I use that term loosely was Not Intact in Any Way in 1978.

Not sure where the statement is coming from that it was ever found face down, except innuendo from assorted stories. I was referring to the original exhumation in 1902, where it was removed to the cemetery. If the body was face up in the 1978 exhumation, then the rumors must originate with the 1995 exhumation, I'm assuming of course. I would also assume that by that late date, how could it even be determined HOW the body was facing, with that much deterioration.

Gruesome as it is, the bullet you mention is indeed an oddity. Especially in view of the original autopsy official who stated he removed the bullet from his brain where it had allegedly lodged. Then you have statements from the James family farm pointing to a hole in the wall from where the bullet allegedly exited. It's my understanding there was no exit wound on the body. Another oddity is the reports that the bullet found with the body was a different caliber from the weapon allegedly used by Ford. Lots of alleged here, lol.

 

[Honest Samuel]

Not likely to the question. But, keep looking.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

It's my understanding that when the body was first exhumed, to move it from the James farm to the cemetery, it was face up. Upon the second exhumation in 1995, the body was face down....which could easily be explained by movement during the prior exhumation.

Are you suggesting it was a James cousin using CB as an alias, that was murdered? I'm confused, lol.

Nah, CB wasn't a cousin... I think that there WAS a "pic" of CB, will look.

 

[Rebel - KGC]

Most of the info on CB came from "Jesse" Frank Dalton... AND! There is a web-site on CB... "google" Re: Charlie Bigalow. Then... Eyes on Texas: The Truth about Jesse James. HH! Good Luck! Bigalow is mentioned on several "sites"... NO CB "pics", tho. He was one of JJ's Gang members, so a "Group Pic" may help.