cactusjumper
Gold Member
Paul,
You are correct on all counts.
Take care,
Joe
You are correct on all counts.
Take care,
Joe
The Lost Spanish Mine is believed to be one of the Peralta mines and one of the sources of Jacob Waltz's gold and the Legend of the Lost Dutchman Gold Mine, the most famous lost mine in the world.
gollum said:Paul,
Not knowing Ron F. as I don't, I could not speak intelligently on anything he might have or have not said.
Actually, on another page of the HEAT Site it states:
The Lost Spanish Mine is believed to be one of the Peralta mines and one of the sources of Jacob Waltz's gold and the Legend of the Lost Dutchman Gold Mine, the most famous lost mine in the world.
So, whatever........................LOL
Mike
Cubfan64 said:EE Thr,
I don't know if the location of the pit mine is public knowledge or not, so I'll pass the buck on that one. I thought I had heard that the location had been all filled in with little or no trace left, so there's probably not even much to see anymore.
I personally haven't been to it yet, but it's on my list for this coming fall.
As to who worked it.... only those who were there and did it know for 100% certain. Anything else would be speculation imho.
EE THr said:Cubfan64 said:EE Thr,
I don't know if the location of the pit mine is public knowledge or not, so I'll pass the buck on that one. I thought I had heard that the location had been all filled in with little or no trace left, so there's probably not even much to see anymore.
I personally haven't been to it yet, but it's on my list for this coming fall.
As to who worked it.... only those who were there and did it know for 100% certain. Anything else would be speculation imho.
Well, thanks for that input. Now it's back full circle, to my original statememt!
Which was---
"CJ---
Well, it appears that nobody wants to reveal what came out of where, or how much.
And that sounds like merely preventing most of it from being taken by the government.
Unless I missed something."
Am I imagining things here or what?![]()
Cubfan64 said:...If that were to disappear due to proving that the mine was found, even if it's just a small part (and I'm not so sure it's that small) of the local economy, it could hurt the local area financially and nobody would want to be a part of that happening.
cactusjumper said:EE,
As I said......The people who cleaned out that mine are the only ones who know what was in there.
The names of the people involved are well known in the Dutch Hunting community as well as the location of the pit mine.
Even so, I will not be naming them in any forum. The story has been discussed many times at the Rendezvous. No doubt it will come up again this year. If you are there, you will probably hear all about it.
Most of the details of the story have been discussed on the LDM Forum. I posted the link earlier. Most of those details have been (independently) confirmed to me by people I trust.
Take care,
Joe
EE THr said:cactusjumper said:EE,
As I said......The people who cleaned out that mine are the only ones who know what was in there.
The names of the people involved are well known in the Dutch Hunting community as well as the location of the pit mine.
Even so, I will not be naming them in any forum. The story has been discussed many times at the Rendezvous. No doubt it will come up again this year. If you are there, you will probably hear all about it.
Most of the details of the story have been discussed on the LDM Forum. I posted the link earlier. Most of those details have been (independently) confirmed to me by people I trust.
Take care,
Joe
Joe---
I fully understand.
I guess it was the wrong time and/or place to bring up the obscuring of history, in the manner in which I did.
Thanks,
Don
This sounds like another case of our government obscurring history, under the guise of protecting it.
EE THr said:.... But what I actually meant was, that because of their protection of the area, specifically archaeological items, and the "no dig" rules, anyone who actually does find something historical may be reluctant to report it. So, the public in general will go without knowing the true history of whatever, even if it is uncovered, if the finders don't report it. And I can't say that I would blame anyone for not reporting it, under the circumstances, which I consider to be abuse of the liberties of U.S. Americans. ....
Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp said:Geeze ORO, and I did need that coffee, sniff
As for any conspiracy on keeping the public out of certain areas, frankly I don't think that it is to keep secrets and lost mines to themselves as such, But to protect THEIR land from the American public, which has proven time and again that they aren't 'house broken' yet. Look at the graffiti etc in every public area. In Az, at the rest stops they have literally stolen the plumbing and destroyed what they couldn't steal. I have seen bags of garbage, dirty diapers, etc. thrown on the ground, just a few meters from a trash can. and on.
If you are involved in protecting our national forests, parks or sites, it soon becomes your home and you resent or fight any thing that threatens it's beauty for you, especially the public, with reason.
So if you can't train the public to live like rational, clean, humans you look for ways to change the status of your area to help give you an edge, which they do.
In this case, I do not blame the gov't, but the public itself. How many of you have had the privilege of spending two or more days gong into the back country, only to find tons of garbage, rusty old tin cans, especially beer cans, etc at most good camping spots? It doesn't take many episodes such as this to sour you on the Public.
As a kiddie, I had the unique privilege of being able to backpack into the high sierras of Northern Calif trout fishing, 6 - 8000 ft. Many times there wouldn't be a sign that any human had ever been there, it was pristine. A month or two would go by with no human contact, today ? there are so many people, that you now need a permit, obtained at least 6 months in advance before trying to enter the same region.
Here in Mexico, when I first arrived, it was similar to stepping back into the old West of the late 1800's. There were no fences, roads, nor practically any people in the back country. it was almost complete freedom, and I loved it. Yes, there were bandidos and other unique adventures, such as finding and gazing on abandoned villages, mines, and ranches of the 1700 - 1800's. Most just as they had left them. Today almost where ever you wish to go, there are roads and new villages, sigh, my old west is fast disappearing.
Don Jose de La Mancha
Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp said:EE: For the LDM area alone, such as we have been discssing in here, just how many people would it take to keep the public in line and safe, and where would they get them, or with what?? Heck they can't even stop an occasional killing, or someone over stepping their personal safety limit, let alone destruction of valuable sites.