Do you have PROOF of a KGC treasure?

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[Texas Jay]

"Do you have PROOF of a KGC treasure?"

Yes, we have more proof of a KGC treasure and it's story is told in the History Channel's documentary "Jesse James' Hidden Treasure." As always, there will be those who claim it was all a hoax but they have no evidence whatsoever to support this wild allegation.
~Texas Jay

 

[Tnwoods]

Texas Jay - that show was entertaining, but a total sham.

What did it prove?

Pastore admitted he can't read the symbols carved in the rocks. It was like watching the Keystone cops go treasure hunting.

I am 100% certain that them coins and the little bar were planted.

Jeremiah James was not JJ. Though it makes for good TV.

I could go on, but I would rather hear what it did prove.

All Ears!

 

[RGINN]

"Do you have PROOF of a KGC treasure?" No. I can take you to Oklahoma where there are carvings on a tree and a big hole in the ground, not too far from where 2late is, but no KGC connection. Farther west of there a treasure of some type really was dug up, but not KGC. It was probably related to the Kiowas attack on traders on the Canadian in the 1830's who had some silver specie, but maybe not. Albert Pike did come to what is now Oklahoma to the Ft. Cobb area in an attempt to recruit the Plains Indians for the southern cause, but it didn't go over real well because after all, it was a rich white man's war. So I guess technically there is a KGC connection to SW Oklahoma, but no proof of a treasure.

 

[Texas Jay]

"Do you have PROOF of a KGC treasure?" No. I can take you to Oklahoma where there are carvings on a tree and a big hole in the ground, not too far from where 2late is, but no KGC connection. Farther west of there a treasure of some type really was dug up, but not KGC. It was probably related to the Kiowas attack on traders on the Canadian in the 1830's who had some silver specie, but maybe not. Albert Pike did come to what is now Oklahoma to the Ft. Cobb area in an attempt to recruit the Plains Indians for the southern cause, but it didn't go over real well because after all, it was a rich white man's war. So I guess technically there is a KGC connection to SW Oklahoma, but no proof of a treasure.

Have you ever heard of General Stand Watie, C.S.A. who was the only Native American general in either army? Cherokee Mounted Rifles?
~Texas Jay

 

[Siegfried Schlagrule]

"Do you have PROOF of a KGC treasure?" No. I can take you to Oklahoma where there are carvings on a tree and a big hole in the ground, not too far from where 2late is, but no KGC connection. Farther west of there a treasure of some type really was dug up, but not KGC. It was probably related to the Kiowas attack on traders on the Canadian in the 1830's who had some silver specie, but maybe not. Albert Pike did come to what is now Oklahoma to the Ft. Cobb area in an attempt to recruit the Plains Indians for the southern cause, but it didn't go over real well because after all, it was a rich white man's war. So I guess technically there is a KGC connection to SW Oklahoma, but no proof of a treasure.

Have you ever heard of General Stand Watie, C.S.A. who was the only Native American general in either army? Cherokee Mounted Rifles?
~Texas Jay

For about a week i thought that I was related to Watie. Turns out he was married to a woman from the same state as my grandmother, with the same identical name but a different birth date. Luckily i had not sent out any brags so it was all disapointment not embarrasment. siegfried schlagrule

 

[Tnwoods]

I have never heard anyone allege any of the Cherokee were KGC.

The Cherokee Nation was pretty evenly split between North and South.

So are you saying that besides fighting the Union, and the other Cherokee, and the Creeks, and many others in Indian territory (Oklahoma) they were also stealing and burying treasure?

Or are you simply saying they were admitted to the KGC?

Being as how the Indian Nations were thought of as less than people at the time, and were only pressed into service as both sides ran out of men, I would not think they would be invited to join any "white" Orders or fraternal groups. Especially a group that would happily enslave them at first chance.

If you have some evidence besides a picture and a statement, I would appreciate it.

 

[Old Dog]

I don't know of any Cherokee members of the KGC.
But I am sure that the Nations ran almost 90% Southern.
If the KGC was a Southern oriented organisation, loyalty was almost a "given".

 

[Siegfried Schlagrule]

Have you ever heard of General Stand Watie, C.S.A. who was the only Native American general in either army? Cherokee Mounted Rifles?
~Texas Jay

Are you alleging that Watie was a proponent for slavery, and was fighting to keep slavery?

Wow...simply wow

Quite simply the Cherokee fought for the south because they were promised their own state in the Confederacy. Because of their support of the Confederacy - which was not universal - the Cherokee were deprived of their treaty status and all of their slaves were granted tribal membership by federal fiat. Recently within the past few years the Cherokee removed every person who was black or had any black blood from their tribal rolls. Whether that was due to racism is debatable but it most definitely increased the individual payouts from the casino revenues. All of these are known and published facts from history books and recent newspapers. Since there was one indian general and unit all indian volunteers from Oklahoma and the south gravitated to that unit. Doubtless a few indians served in units with their white neighbors.
siegfried schlagrule

 

[Rebel - KGC]

I agree with the above "post"; additionally, it was the WESTERN BAND of Cherokee Nation, and a few other Nations/Tribes "involved". They had their own "secret society"
(will have to look for my KGC file, with that info). I think it was the "K Society" or something... anyway, Waitie was a member , I think... when he got with some CSA/KGC guys, he is "rumored" to
say... "K" is like that! (KGC); thus, SOME native ppl became KGC, especially, in the "free state" & mid-west/west. They HATED what the FEDS did to them in the earlier years, AND! Fought them AFTER the Civil War, etc. RESISTING attempts to put 'em in RESERVATIONS. HA! "Google" KEETOOWAH SOCIETY

 

[cccalco]

Have you ever heard of General Stand Watie, C.S.A. who was the only Native American general in either army? Cherokee Mounted Rifles?
~Texas Jay
[/quote]

Thanks Jay, I have started another thread here for others unfamiliar with the NDN role in this history. So far I have posted only links and excerpts to others work so NO, the statements are not mine but those of the original authors.


http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,284538.msg2036372.html#msg2036372

 

[Tnwoods]

I don't know of any Cherokee members of the KGC.
But I am sure that the Nations ran almost 90% Southern.
If the KGC was a Southern oriented organisation, loyalty was almost a "given".

Actually I think it was split pretty hard among them. I think he Union started recruiting the Indians first. After doing a little reading, the Cherokee riflemen look to have spent as much if not more time fighting other Cherokee, and Creeks, as they did the Union.

As far as them hating the Union for the removal, ah, who took the land? The Southerners. I think they had an equal dislike for both sides. I have read that they saw this as an excellent time to settle old tribal disputes.

They were in another rock and a hard place. Both armies were coming through their land, and they were probably getting killed anyway. The CSA allowed them to move their families to TX and out of direct conflict, at least for the riflemen.

Still doesn't mean the had anything to do with a pro-slavery, pre-war society anglo society.

 

[Tnwoods]

During the period from 1859 to 1889, the Keetoowahs flourished and were strongly united. Almost without exception, the Keetoowahs sided with the Northern States during the Civil War.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_Keetoowah_Society

More of a religious order than a clandestine group. Siding with the North doesn't sound very Pro KGC.

 

[Texas Jay]

Have you ever heard of General Stand Watie, C.S.A. who was the only Native American general in either army? Cherokee Mounted Rifles?
~Texas Jay

Are you alleging that Watie was a proponent for slavery, and was fighting to keep slavery?

Wow...simply wow

I'm not alleging anything. Just stating obvious historical facts that any second-grader can confirm with a basic Internet search.
~Texas Jay

 

[Texas Jay]

Brigadier General Stand Watie, C.S.A.

http://thomaslegion.net/generalandchiefstandwatie.html

Happy Thanksgiving!
~Texas Jay

 

[Tnwoods]

I didn't see anything about the KGC in that article.

It's easy to post pictures and names, alluding to them doing this and that. And then respond with - well I never said that. True, you didn't, but why post the names then? Unless you think there were involved - and then as evidence - post an article which doesn't mention any involvement.

Or are you simply proving that he was a General in the CSA, under a thread titled "do you have any proof of a KGC treasure"?

No big secret he was a General. So I am not really clear what the point you are trying to make is.

Happy Thanksgiving

 

[Texas Jay]

"Do you have PROOF of a KGC treasure?" No. I can take you to Oklahoma where there are carvings on a tree and a big hole in the ground, not too far from where 2late is, but no KGC connection. Farther west of there a treasure of some type really was dug up, but not KGC. It was probably related to the Kiowas attack on traders on the Canadian in the 1830's who had some silver specie, but maybe not. Albert Pike did come to what is now Oklahoma to the Ft. Cobb area in an attempt to recruit the Plains Indians for the southern cause, but it didn't go over real well because after all, it was a rich white man's war. So I guess technically there is a KGC connection to SW Oklahoma, but no proof of a treasure.

If the naysayers will actually read this thread, they would realize that I was replying to RGINN's inaccurate message. And, yes, there was a connection between Gen. Stand Watie and the KGC. Most of the people interested in the topics of this KGC forum know about it and the others will claim not to believe it anyway so I will not waste time posting information about it.
~Texas Jay
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bloodybillandersonmystery

 

[Kentucky Kache]

When I saw SWR had posted, I thought for sure he was posting proof of a KGC cache. Imagine my surprise when all he was talking about was pie.

 

[Tnwoods]

"Do you have PROOF of a KGC treasure?" No. I can take you to Oklahoma where there are carvings on a tree and a big hole in the ground, not too far from where 2late is, but no KGC connection. Farther west of there a treasure of some type really was dug up, but not KGC. It was probably related to the Kiowas attack on traders on the Canadian in the 1830's who had some silver specie, but maybe not. Albert Pike did come to what is now Oklahoma to the Ft. Cobb area in an attempt to recruit the Plains Indians for the southern cause, but it didn't go over real well because after all, it was a rich white man's war. So I guess technically there is a KGC connection to SW Oklahoma, but no proof of a treasure.

If the naysayers will actually read this thread, they would realize that I was replying to RGINN's inaccurate message. And, yes, there was a connection between Gen. Stand Watie and the KGC. Most of the people interested in the topics of this KGC forum know about it and the others will claim not to believe it anyway so I will not waste time posting information about it.
~Texas Jay
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bloodybillandersonmystery

OK lets try this again. By the way, I like pie too.

You were responding to RGINN's post taht says there was no KGC treasure in OK.

To respond your post Gen. Watie.

Then when asked about the connection between the Gen. and the KGC, you state you never said there was one.

Then you post an article that makes no connection as proof.

Then you say we are naysayers and anyone involved with KGC research would know his involvement. And you won't take the time to post any proof.

Have I got the time line correct?

Just maybe, there isn't one. Possibly, you are seeing things that are not there.

I know that trying to get to the truth "muddies up the waters". But that only happens when there is no proof.

So please Texas Jay, enlighten us on this "proof".

Could it be that maybe your are seeing something t